Is this too slow for video processing?

I know this is not a retouch issue but people here are so helpful and knowledgeable I hope some may be able to contribute....so please excuse the post here.

I am running a Desktop PC.

Series 7 Intel i7 processor at 7.700cpu at 4.2GHZ

64 gb ddr 4 ram

GForce gtx1050 Video card

I am exporting to Hard Drive a 50fps 4K video with a photograph slideshow, in total about 11.5minutes long, which I have created in Magix Movie Editor 2019.

The video is about 9.5 minutes long and 2 minutes of slides.

Approximate output size is 1.7GB.

There are no effects in the video other than the opening titles etc and the slides have all been created using Magix Slideshow maker.

Some background music has been added....

The render time to Hard Drive is more than 4 hours.......for a 11.5 minute video.

What can be done to speed up this process please.

Different Video editing programme?

Faster i7 processor?

More memory?

Better Video card?

Or is this acceptable for a 50fps 4K video?

Any thoughts and advice would be appreciated.

I will post in other forums as hopefully different ideas may be offered etc.

Many thanks in anticipation of your help.

Best wishes

Ray

RayGuselli said:

What can be done to speed up this process please.

Different Video editing programme?

Faster i7 processor?

More memory?

Better Video card?

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It seems like you have a powerful enough system for video editing.

I do not know Magix Movie Editor 2019. I have a number of video editing and rendering applications, and the output time for the same media differs depending on what that application has been optimized for. You have to know what the bottleneck is in your particular program. You may have to contact Magix to find out.

For example, some types of projects export very fast to H.264 or 265 because the computer has a chipset that includes Intel QuickSync, and the software is coded to take advantage of it. On a computer without QuickSync, same project may be glacial. Or, software written before QuickSync existed may not take advantage of it and take longer by going through the CPU normally.

Similarly, in an application, certain features may be GPU-accelerated. A better GPU would accelerate export IF those features were used. On a computer without a compatible GPU, the same project may export slowly while maxing out the CPU. Or export slowly if GPU acceleration was off on export, or if the wrong engine was selected (Radeon vs Nvidia for example).

You have to find out what combination of Magix features matches up properly with the hardware you have. For example maybe a "Hardware Encoding" checkbox needs to be checked to enable QuickSync, or maybe a feature was used that is CPU-based instead of GPU-accelerated. Or maybe the bitrate is set too high.

But understanding what the potential bottlenecks or acceleration opportunities are in Magix, and matching them up with the hardware in your computer, is going to take someone familiar with Magix. Or, if you're lucky, Magix online documentation will have the answer.

RayGuselli said:

I know this is not a retouch issue but people here are so helpful and knowledgeable I hope some may be able to contribute....so please excuse the post here.
I am running a Desktop PC.

Series 7 Intel i7 processor at 7.700cpu at 4.2GHZ

64 gb ddr 4 ram

GForce gtx1050 Video card

I am exporting to Hard Drive a 50fps 4K video with a photograph slideshow, in total about 11.5minutes long, which I have created in Magix Movie Editor 2019.

The video is about 9.5 minutes long and 2 minutes of slides.

Approximate output size is 1.7GB.

There are no effects in the video other than the opening titles etc and the slides have all been created using Magix Slideshow maker.

Some background music has been added....

The render time to Hard Drive is more than 4 hours.......for a 11.5 minute video.

What can be done to speed up this process please.

Different Video editing programme?

Faster i7 processor?

More memory?

Better Video card?

Or is this acceptable for a 50fps 4K video?

Any thoughts and advice would be appreciated.

I will post in other forums as hopefully different ideas may be offered etc.

Many thanks in anticipation of your help.

Best wishes

Ray

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Your output spec is very high at 50fps and 4K is there any leaway to reduce this?

You might want to check whether hardware acceleration is turned on. I saw a review of the Pro version and they said it was turned off by default.

Ian

Many thanks graybalanced and Ian....

Really appreciate your replies...

I have all acceleration etc turned on...

I think a message to Magix might help...

Also I am not using a SSD drive for data but do have a 500gb ssd for programs...

Main data drive is 2tb..perhaps a ssd drive for processing would help?....

Possibility of reducing frame rate to 25fps is something to consider...might make things better....i will also give that a try....

Thank you so much for you help.

Best wishes Ray

RayGuselli said:

Many thanks graybalanced and Ian....

Really appreciate your replies...

I have all acceleration etc turned on...

I think a message to Magix might help...

Also I am not using a SSD drive for data but do have a 500gb ssd for programs...

Main data drive is 2tb..perhaps a ssd drive for processing would help?....

Possibility of reducing frame rate to 25fps is something to consider...might make things better....i will also give that a try....

Thank you so much for you help.

Best wishes Ray

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Might be worth taking a look at Task Manager to make sure that all cores are maxed out and the GPU is actually being used. Always worth updating your video driver and getting the Studio version if one is available?

Changing to 25fps will mean a 50% reduction in frames to process so would be interested in knowing how much impact it has. Video novice here

Ian

IanYorke said:

RayGuselli said:

Many thanks graybalanced and Ian....

Really appreciate your replies...

I have all acceleration etc turned on...

I think a message to Magix might help...

Also I am not using a SSD drive for data but do have a 500gb ssd for programs...

Main data drive is 2tb..perhaps a ssd drive for processing would help?....

Possibility of reducing frame rate to 25fps is something to consider...might make things better....i will also give that a try....

Thank you so much for you help.

Best wishes Ray

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Might be worth taking a look at Task Manager to make sure that all cores are maxed out and the GPU is actually being used. Always worth updating your video driver and getting the Studio version if one is available?

Changing to 25fps will mean a 50% reduction in frames to process so would be interested in knowing how much impact it has. Video novice here

Ian

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Hi Ian...
An even bigger novice here when it comes to this sort of thing so really appreciate your help!!

Good idea to look at task manager and next time I am doing this i can have a look.

I was uncertain about the video driver and wondered if it would in fact change processing time etc...I was leaning towards an external SSD for the processing etc....

Changing to 25fps may also be a sensible option...would I REALLY notice the difference on tv...probably not.

Clearly something is not quite right but hopefully will work it out...

A friend has suggested Cyberling Power Director as being a much faster system....another option to consider....

Thank you again for your help.

Best wishes

Ray

RayGuselli said:

IanYorke said:

RayGuselli said:

Many thanks graybalanced and Ian....

Really appreciate your replies...

I have all acceleration etc turned on...

I think a message to Magix might help...

Also I am not using a SSD drive for data but do have a 500gb ssd for programs...

Main data drive is 2tb..perhaps a ssd drive for processing would help?....

Possibility of reducing frame rate to 25fps is something to consider...might make things better....i will also give that a try....

Thank you so much for you help.

Best wishes Ray

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Might be worth taking a look at Task Manager to make sure that all cores are maxed out and the GPU is actually being used. Always worth updating your video driver and getting the Studio version if one is available?

Changing to 25fps will mean a 50% reduction in frames to process so would be interested in knowing how much impact it has. Video novice here

Ian

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Hi Ian...
An even bigger novice here when it comes to this sort of thing so really appreciate your help!!
Good idea to look at task manager and next time I am doing this i can have a look.
I was uncertain about the video driver and wondered if it would in fact change processing time etc...I was leaning towards an external SSD for the processing etc....
Changing to 25fps may also be a sensible option...would I REALLY notice the difference on tv...probably not.
Clearly something is not quite right but hopefully will work it out...
A friend has suggested Cyberling Power Director as being a much faster system....another option to consider....
Thank you again for your help.
Best wishes
Ray

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Hi ray

I have Power Director and like it but they have gone subscription based and I don't recommend it now unless you are OK with subscription.

I am currently evaluating Davinci Resolve which is free but there is a paid for Davinci Resiolve Studio at £255. This sounds expensive but you only pay once and all updates are free currently. So after a few years cost is actually negligible. It is top end software but the cut page overs simple drag and drop on to the time line and a couple of the transitions that you normally want to use available just above the timeline, so very convenient. You can trim your clips while they are still in the media pool prior to adding them to the timeline. There is also a killer feature where you can scrub through all of your clips in the media pool for that project to over view what you have.

The free edition is far more powerful than I need as the Studio features are mainly things like HDR Grading, 3D etc . However, GPU encoding is part of Studio.

You might want to try Resolve anyway just to see how it compares at rendering with the CPU only compared to Magix. It is free

There are many Youtube tutorials about this editor and it now has a "Cut" page as well as an "Edit" page. The "Cut" page will probably do all you need.

If you think free is too good to be true it's because Black Magic are a hardware company and are not really in the software business. Resolve helps them market their equipment. Think of it like the Apple Mac situation? No one pays for the Mac OS or updates.

Just remember it keeps the old grey cells active as we learn new skills, even if we don't like it

Ian

Hi Ian

Perhaps I should try Resolve.....

My only fear was that many people said it needed a massively powerful PC to run it and it was slow etc.....However, given that it IS free...perhaps something I need to look at and try.

Really appreciate your help and advice which is appreciated.

Best wishes

Ray

RayGuselli said:

Many thanks graybalanced and Ian....

Really appreciate your replies...

I have all acceleration etc turned on...

I think a message to Magix might help...

Also I am not using a SSD drive for data but do have a 500gb ssd for programs...

Main data drive is 2tb..perhaps a ssd drive for processing would help?....

Possibility of reducing frame rate to 25fps is something to consider...might make things better....i will also give that a try....

Thank you so much for you help.

Best wishes Ray

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Yes, ssd would help. other then that nothing much wrong for processing a video.

You could try to use Davinci Resolve as it is more suited for professional production and probably more suited for multithreading and gpu acceleration.

If the software can use it, a faster graphics card could also help, but the main coding is done by the cpu. Simple said: more processors exuals to faster rendering.

AMD has some new processors now with loads of cpu's onboard and with CMT (hyperthreading for Intel cpu's) and will boost rendering considerably.

If I had to build a new rig for video-rendering today I certainly would go with the AMD multi processors.

The program you're trying to use is seen as a consumer product.

Davinci Resolve is free, give it a try.

RayGuselli said:

Hi Ian
Perhaps I should try Resolve.....
My only fear was that many people said it needed a massively powerful PC to run it and it was slow etc.....However, given that it IS free...perhaps something I need to look at and try.
Really appreciate your help and advice which is appreciated.
Best wishes
Ray

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Hi Ray, one thing to consider:

if you start the rendering proces you don't need to be behind the pc, you can do other things till it's finished. So in that respect it's doesn't matter that much how long it takes, unless you're in a hurry...

Toermalijn said:

RayGuselli said:

Many thanks graybalanced and Ian....

Really appreciate your replies...

I have all acceleration etc turned on...

I think a message to Magix might help...

Also I am not using a SSD drive for data but do have a 500gb ssd for programs...

Main data drive is 2tb..perhaps a ssd drive for processing would help?....

Possibility of reducing frame rate to 25fps is something to consider...might make things better....i will also give that a try....

Thank you so much for you help.

Best wishes Ray

Click to expand...

Yes, ssd would help. other then that nothing much wrong for processing a video.

You could try to use Davinci Resolve as it is more suited for professional production and probably more suited for multithreading and gpu acceleration.

If the software can use it, a faster graphics card could also help, but the main coding is done by the cpu. Simple said: more processors exuals to faster rendering.

AMD has some new processors now with loads of cpu's onboard and with CMT (hyperthreading for Intel cpu's) and will boost rendering considerably.

If I had to build a new rig for video-rendering today I certainly would go with the AMD multi processors.

The program you're trying to use is seen as a consumer product.

Davinci Resolve is free, give it a try.

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Hi Toermalijn

Hoped you might pop in to this as always a great help.

I think the bottom line is that I perhaps need to try another program as a 1st step: Resolve looks as if it might be the one to try...

I am going to give that a try as a first step but am wondering about my hard drive which whilst I have an ssd for programs etc, all data is on a 5400 2tb normal hd....that might be part of the problem too...

Thanks as always for your help

Best wishes

Ray

RayGuselli said:

Toermalijn said:

RayGuselli said:

Many thanks graybalanced and Ian....

Really appreciate your replies...

I have all acceleration etc turned on...

I think a message to Magix might help...

Also I am not using a SSD drive for data but do have a 500gb ssd for programs...

Main data drive is 2tb..perhaps a ssd drive for processing would help?....

Possibility of reducing frame rate to 25fps is something to consider...might make things better....i will also give that a try....

Thank you so much for you help.

Best wishes Ray

Click to expand...

Yes, ssd would help. other then that nothing much wrong for processing a video.

You could try to use Davinci Resolve as it is more suited for professional production and probably more suited for multithreading and gpu acceleration.

If the software can use it, a faster graphics card could also help, but the main coding is done by the cpu. Simple said: more processors exuals to faster rendering.

AMD has some new processors now with loads of cpu's onboard and with CMT (hyperthreading for Intel cpu's) and will boost rendering considerably.

If I had to build a new rig for video-rendering today I certainly would go with the AMD multi processors.

The program you're trying to use is seen as a consumer product.

Davinci Resolve is free, give it a try.

Click to expand...

Hi Toermalijn
Hoped you might pop in to this as always a great help.
I think the bottom line is that I perhaps need to try another program as a 1st step: Resolve looks as if it might be the one to try...
I am going to give that a try as a first step but am wondering about my hard drive which whilst I have an ssd for programs etc, all data is on a 5400 2tb normal hd....that might be part of the problem too...
Thanks as always for your help
Best wishes
Ray

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Hi Ray,

how much of a problem is speed? Once you click the ok button to render the video you don't have to stick around and could do other things.

Your cpu is a 4 cpu 8 threads processor. Modern AMD processors can have 32 cpu's and 64 threads, wich will speed things up considerably. They are at the moment best suited for these tasks and concerning price a better bang for the buck opposed to Intel cpu's.

Since a ssd is on average 4 times as fast as a spinning hdd, it also would speed up rendering. Mind that a 2tb ssd is not necessarely faster then a 1TB ssd. I think the ssd 1tb is the fastest of the bunch...Samsung evo 860 are the leading ssd's.

Toermalijn said:

RayGuselli said:

Toermalijn said:

RayGuselli said:

Many thanks graybalanced and Ian....

Really appreciate your replies...

I have all acceleration etc turned on...

I think a message to Magix might help...

Also I am not using a SSD drive for data but do have a 500gb ssd for programs...

Main data drive is 2tb..perhaps a ssd drive for processing would help?....

Possibility of reducing frame rate to 25fps is something to consider...might make things better....i will also give that a try....

Thank you so much for you help.

Best wishes Ray

Click to expand...

Yes, ssd would help. other then that nothing much wrong for processing a video.

You could try to use Davinci Resolve as it is more suited for professional production and probably more suited for multithreading and gpu acceleration.

If the software can use it, a faster graphics card could also help, but the main coding is done by the cpu. Simple said: more processors exuals to faster rendering.

AMD has some new processors now with loads of cpu's onboard and with CMT (hyperthreading for Intel cpu's) and will boost rendering considerably.

If I had to build a new rig for video-rendering today I certainly would go with the AMD multi processors.

The program you're trying to use is seen as a consumer product.

Davinci Resolve is free, give it a try.

Click to expand...

Hi Toermalijn
Hoped you might pop in to this as always a great help.
I think the bottom line is that I perhaps need to try another program as a 1st step: Resolve looks as if it might be the one to try...
I am going to give that a try as a first step but am wondering about my hard drive which whilst I have an ssd for programs etc, all data is on a 5400 2tb normal hd....that might be part of the problem too...
Thanks as always for your help
Best wishes
Ray

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Hi Ray,

how much of a problem is speed? Once you click the ok button to render the video you don't have to stick around and could do other things.

Your cpu is a 4 cpu 8 threads processor. Modern AMD processors can have 32 cpu's and 64 threads, wich will speed things up considerably. They are at the moment best suited for these tasks and concerning price a better bang for the buck opposed to Intel cpu's.

Since a ssd is on average 4 times as fast as a spinning hdd, it also would speed up rendering. Mind that a 2tb ssd is not necessarely faster then a 1TB ssd. I think the ssd 1tb is the fastest of the bunch...Samsung evo 860 are the leading ssd's.

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Hi Toermalijn

It sounds as if an AMD processor would speed things up considerably.....

--and as you say...a better price...

Perhaps one of them with a ssd.....

Now you have got me thinking...LOL

Best wishes
Ray


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RayGuselli said:

Toermalijn said:

RayGuselli said:

Toermalijn said:

RayGuselli said:

Many thanks graybalanced and Ian....

Really appreciate your replies...

I have all acceleration etc turned on...

I think a message to Magix might help...

Also I am not using a SSD drive for data but do have a 500gb ssd for programs...

Main data drive is 2tb..perhaps a ssd drive for processing would help?....

Possibility of reducing frame rate to 25fps is something to consider...might make things better....i will also give that a try....

Thank you so much for you help.

Best wishes Ray

Click to expand...

Yes, ssd would help. other then that nothing much wrong for processing a video.

You could try to use Davinci Resolve as it is more suited for professional production and probably more suited for multithreading and gpu acceleration.

If the software can use it, a faster graphics card could also help, but the main coding is done by the cpu. Simple said: more processors exuals to faster rendering.

AMD has some new processors now with loads of cpu's onboard and with CMT (hyperthreading for Intel cpu's) and will boost rendering considerably.

If I had to build a new rig for video-rendering today I certainly would go with the AMD multi processors.

The program you're trying to use is seen as a consumer product.

Davinci Resolve is free, give it a try.

Click to expand...

Hi Toermalijn
Hoped you might pop in to this as always a great help.
I think the bottom line is that I perhaps need to try another program as a 1st step: Resolve looks as if it might be the one to try...
I am going to give that a try as a first step but am wondering about my hard drive which whilst I have an ssd for programs etc, all data is on a 5400 2tb normal hd....that might be part of the problem too...
Thanks as always for your help
Best wishes
Ray

Click to expand...

Hi Ray,

how much of a problem is speed? Once you click the ok button to render the video you don't have to stick around and could do other things.

Your cpu is a 4 cpu 8 threads processor. Modern AMD processors can have 32 cpu's and 64 threads, wich will speed things up considerably. They are at the moment best suited for these tasks and concerning price a better bang for the buck opposed to Intel cpu's.

Since a ssd is on average 4 times as fast as a spinning hdd, it also would speed up rendering. Mind that a 2tb ssd is not necessarely faster then a 1TB ssd. I think the ssd 1tb is the fastest of the bunch...Samsung evo 860 are the leading ssd's.

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Hi Toermalijn
It sounds as if an AMD processor would speed things up considerably.....

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They defenately will...

the more processors (cores) and threads available the faster it renders the video.

To be fair you make a good point...how big of a problem is it?

If left overnight etc it is usually done in the morning etc so no great issue.

I did try loading the same footage into Sony Vegas on my PC (A program I do not use but have) and noticed how much faster the movies loaded onto the timeline (creating proxy files from the 50 fps 4k ones)

It might therefore be that Magix as a video editing package is slower than some others...

Yest another thing to consider.

May try and make a similar video with Vegas and see how fast that renders....

Thank you again for your help.

Hope you are well.

Best wishes Ray

Toermalijn said:

RayGuselli said:

Toermalijn said:

RayGuselli said:

Many thanks graybalanced and Ian....

Really appreciate your replies...

I have all acceleration etc turned on...

I think a message to Magix might help...

Also I am not using a SSD drive for data but do have a 500gb ssd for programs...

Main data drive is 2tb..perhaps a ssd drive for processing would help?....

Possibility of reducing frame rate to 25fps is something to consider...might make things better....i will also give that a try....

Thank you so much for you help.

Best wishes Ray

Click to expand...

Yes, ssd would help. other then that nothing much wrong for processing a video.

You could try to use Davinci Resolve as it is more suited for professional production and probably more suited for multithreading and gpu acceleration.

If the software can use it, a faster graphics card could also help, but the main coding is done by the cpu. Simple said: more processors exuals to faster rendering.

AMD has some new processors now with loads of cpu's onboard and with CMT (hyperthreading for Intel cpu's) and will boost rendering considerably.

If I had to build a new rig for video-rendering today I certainly would go with the AMD multi processors.

The program you're trying to use is seen as a consumer product.

Davinci Resolve is free, give it a try.

Click to expand...

Hi Toermalijn
Hoped you might pop in to this as always a great help.
I think the bottom line is that I perhaps need to try another program as a 1st step: Resolve looks as if it might be the one to try...
I am going to give that a try as a first step but am wondering about my hard drive which whilst I have an ssd for programs etc, all data is on a 5400 2tb normal hd....that might be part of the problem too...
Thanks as always for your help
Best wishes
Ray

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Hi Ray,

how much of a problem is speed? Once you click the ok button to render the video you don't have to stick around and could do other things.

Your cpu is a 4 cpu 8 threads processor. Modern AMD processors can have 32 cpu's and 64 threads, wich will speed things up considerably. They are at the moment best suited for these tasks and concerning price a better bang for the buck opposed to Intel cpu's.

Since a ssd is on average 4 times as fast as a spinning hdd, it also would speed up rendering. Mind that a 2tb ssd is not necessarely faster then a 1TB ssd. I think the ssd 1tb is the fastest of the bunch...Samsung evo 860 are the leading ssd's.

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I mean 1 cpu, 4 cores, 8 threads.

No probs...understood Toermalijn

Ray

RayGuselli said:

No probs...understood Toermalijn
Ray

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Hi ray

If you look at Resolve these two videos will give you some idea of what it can do. A simple haw to get started video and then a "remove people from video. The second one makes you go "what!"

Workflow for Beginners:


Remove People


Ian

IanYorke said:

RayGuselli said:

No probs...understood Toermalijn
Ray

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Hi ray

If you look at Resolve these two videos will give you some idea of what it can do. A simple haw to get started video and then a "remove people from video. The second one makes you go "what!"

Workflow for Beginners:

Remove People

Ian

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Hi Ian

What!!!!!...that person removal in unbelievable.....It is brilliant.

The tutorial is also excellent.....

I have just been dabbling a little with Sony Vegas which is similar but far more extensive than Magix.....it is also faster....

It looks like Magix so may have less of a learning curve....BUT...am very tempted by Resolve.

Given it is free I might was well give it a try...it is just the different learning cures because to be honest it is only for little home videos etc...However...it does keep the old grey matter working......

Thanks for these examples....really excellent

Best wishes

Ray

RayGuselli said:

IanYorke said:

RayGuselli said:

No probs...understood Toermalijn
Ray

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Hi ray

If you look at Resolve these two videos will give you some idea of what it can do. A simple haw to get started video and then a "remove people from video. The second one makes you go "what!"

Workflow for Beginners:

Remove People

Ian

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Hi Ian
What!!!!!...that person removal in unbelievable.....It is brilliant.
The tutorial is also excellent.....
I have just been dabbling a little with Sony Vegas which is similar but far more extensive than Magix.....it is also faster....
It looks like Magix so may have less of a learning curve....BUT...am very tempted by Resolve.
Given it is free I might was well give it a try...it is just the different learning cures because to be honest it is only for little home videos etc...However...it does keep the old grey matter working......
Thanks for these examples....really excellent
Best wishes
Ray

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Agreed it is hard to change software. That is why I thought the basic video was interesting. Really need to try and spend some time getting the basics of Resolve but life is not cooperating

I am trying to learn Resolve for basic video as that is all I currently do, but wow, the potential

Best of luck

Ian