The new APS-C Topper

Flash.. flash..

Before K3II EVERY pentax K mount digital body had build-in flash. Flash capable of fill-in or external flash wireless command. K20D and bodies before even used flash as very powerful AF assist unmatched by today green LEDs, (although not discrete at all).

Then somebody decided to save few yens and remove flash with its capacitor from camera.. very sad move.

Say hello to PRO level sealed rugged FF camera with flash.. .

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Or

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or APS-C PRO level sports/action camera? Well..

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Oh yes..

With K3II, K1 and this new K-something the only possible way is to carry this METZ 26 or similar unit everywhere :(



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With today hi-iso even the small KP pop-up flash is good enough... bad idea to remove it. Bad.





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The screen is articulated.
Only if new design, vertical, and thin, at full left, well to side of space needed for sensor mounting plate. I see no room behind the glass for any articulating mechanism, unless vertically at full left. Button at top is electronic release in that case. Return it to position with left hand thumb press. Vent at bottom right will be air pressure escape vent.
 
Yes 2 card Slots.
 
Not Really IMO.
I agree with Oz here. Play is in better location being in thumb reach. And I'm hoping that the lack of a SD card switch means hit play button once for card 1, twice to toggle to card 2. I.e., I'm assuming there are 2 card slots.
Why you need to control SD card slots via dedicated button? Just select in MENU if camera will do 1:1 copy on both cards or RAW on one card and JPG on other. Or if 2nd card will be used when 1st is full. No need for anything else. And I'll keep 1:1 copy selected all the time with DNG+JPG on both. Just because cards are cheap today, while dead card and lost data are priceless.

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You can always strip away the geotag before posting. It's for you to track where you took the photos. It's great!

Yes, I know astrotracer function depends on GPS. But I would think that astrophotography is something you plan.. so you can also plan to take a GPS module with you. On the other hand having a flash to do a quick fill in is something you don't really plan. It just happens. Anyway .. even the astrotracer function could be done with a phone. You just get GPS position from the synced phone. Then you only need compass in the camera.

It would be interesting to know how many people actually use astrotracer vs fill in flash.
Whenever I've tried to use the flash on the K-7 for fill flash, it's ended up overexposed. I keep forgetting that turning on the flash restricts the shutter speeds that are available.
If you use Pentax flashes like 360 or 540 than there is a bigger possibilities of higher shutter speeds with HSS.
Or a Pentax Q with one of its native lenses with a built-in shutter.

I can flash sync with the built-in flash up to 1/2000 sec. Perfect for vacation snaps! :)

Take care & Happy Shooting!
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Flash.. flash..

Before K3II EVERY pentax K mount digital body had build-in flash. Flash capable of fill-in or external flash wireless command. K20D and bodies before even used flash as very powerful AF assist unmatched by today green LEDs, (although not discrete at all).

Then somebody decided to save few yens and remove flash with its capacitor from camera.. very sad move.
LOL.

Perhaps.
Say hello to PRO level sealed rugged FF camera with flash.. .

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But the Nikon D850 (the model after this one) doesn't have a built-in flash.
I got one of these. Love it. Love that it has a built-in flash. But I don't think this is classified as "Pro" by Nikon.
or APS-C PRO level sports/action camera? Well..

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But then you have something like the Nikon D500. A top-level APS-C with no built-in flash.

And for Canon, there is the Canon 6D (II) and the Canon 5D series cameras that all do not have built-in flash.
Oh yes..

With K3II, K1 and this new K-something the only possible way is to carry this METZ 26 or similar unit everywhere :(

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With today hi-iso even the small KP pop-up flash is good enough... bad idea to remove it. Bad.
I agree that built-in flash is very convenient and useful.

And for me, if I was considering the top-of-the-line Pentax APS-C camera, then I would find a built-in flash a bonus.

But, I don't buy the top-of-the-line anything. I just don't have the cash. :( So I don't really have a horse in this race.

But . . . as I mentioned above . . . for family vacation shots or kid sports events, I find the built-in flash a great positive. And I buy cameras that have built-in flash for those purposes.

But for my more concerted efforts, such as projects or paid shoots, I would find it hard to want to use the built-in flash.

Oh. yeah . . . . the other thing I was going to mention is that perhaps this is a perfect opportunity for some company to come up with the perfect clip-on flash for the Pentax cameras. (Or for any camera for that matter.)

If I did get a Pentax without a built-in flash, I would be tempted to sell my Pentax AF540FGZ and get a small Pentax AF200FG or a Pentax AF201FG.

I was tempted to get a Pentax AF201FG for my Pentax Q, but . . . it has a built-in flash. :)

Take care & Happy Shooting!
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First off. Let's get a bit excited, because after a long wait, there is something Ricoh feel able to show in public, and we get have a reasonable idea about what it will look like. Let's not get TOO excited, because although it is more than a 3D printed model (they showed it with the lens off, to show it has a mirror inside, and proper lens mount, there was no hotshoe cover either showing proper contacts. and all the covers look "right") it isn't on sale yet, and some stuff could change. And for old hands "I'll say MZ-D."

We don't know what sensor is in it, if it uses the current prime chip or a new one etc, or what the AF is like.

What do you see looking round it ?

The right hand side of it is almost identical to the K1. (meaning the SD door is big enough for 2 SD slots), even down to the position of the screws, but the strap mount had moved and the shoulder is a slightly different profile. This means there is space for the D-LI90 battery which has been the norm since the K7. in fact it's very, very like the K1 body. The mirror says "APS-C" but everything else says K1. Which means big, although feels smaller than it is. This also says they are using a common frame, which is smart, but also begs the question "what took so long".

On the right top plate the K1 has a selector with 9 things the top plate wheel can do and a lever for stills /video, the that has morphed into a simpler 3 position dial, and button "S fn" where the K1's "light" button is seems to select what the wheel does, which would let it do more than 9 things, perhaps some user selectable. That rearrangement allows a bigger LCD than the K1, more like the K3/5/7. That's a plus, the K1's is LCD is on the small side and the selector dial is the least thought out bit if the K1's fantastic ergonomics.

Next I notice is the K1 has the word "Wifi" and an activity LED on the top plate. This doesn't, so control from a phone is uncertain. Of course there may be Wifi but no LED, or it may not be on the prototype. TBH not having the LED reduces cost and is one fewer seal for WR, so it's no loss if WiFi remains. K1 wifi is too slow to transfer full size pictures so if does have WiFi it needs to be faster.

The same applies to GPS. That has a dedicated switch and LED on the K1, and an LED. We can't see them either so either it's a menu thing or it has gone, and with it Astro-tracer for those who use it (thought the external module may still be an option).

There is no pop-up flash release button. This may be a prototype thing or it may be flashless like the K1. If so there the Pentax flash product line needs attention,

The back has a joy stick (what does it drive ?) and an intriguing sensor under the VF. but screen doesn't have things to grip to pull it out. That may not be final, because the body is K1-like enough to have space for a Pivoting screen, but the prototype appears has a fixed screen. The "dual card mode" button from the K1 has gone but again that can be done in the menus (an obvious thing for the top plate wheel to do).

It looks like a project to put a crop sensor in the K1, and without going mad to add some features (joystick) and reduce some costs (WiFi and GPS). That strikes me as a good idea. It doesn't excuse the time it has take to prepare it, which is 3 times too long, and doesn't mean it won't be screwed up come launch time but, it is a good start.
 
The thing with GPS is that most people with a phone or smartwatch have a solution to geotagging photos. There is no easy solution for lack of flash except buying and carrying an external flash.

I am not super happy with GPS on K1 either. Eats a lot of battery and you always have to wait a bit before taking a photo otherwise if you have no GPS lock when pressing the shutter your photo is not tagged! Even if camera gets a lock few seconds later. This is stupid!

Ideally you just pair your phone and camera thought Bluetooth and get GPS from the phone. It's easy ... Sony can do it. You save battery on the camera, which I think is more important than phone. Plus with new phone you maybe get better GPS etc. Can your Pentax read Galileo satellites? No! Your phone might... Or will in the future.

To me ... External GPS solution is more future proof.
GPS for geotagging may be usefull for some, but you miss the real point of GPS, it's the astrotracer function, something no other brand make.

(and something that was missing for me on the KP, even if you can add a GPS module, it is less usefull because you don't have it always with you)
I have no use whatsoever for geotagging, and I seriously doubt that even though it might be turned on all the time when cameras have it that it serves much real purpose to a majority of users. It's just gives your photo locations away to the entire world for free. A great help to the Getty Images photographers, no doubt . . . .
The GPS on my K-1 is turned off 99.99% of the time so no worries about unwanted unnecessary geotagging
 
for the precise eyes…. Have a look under the mirror.

How wide is the light protector of the autofocus unit in compare to current aps-c Pentax bodies?

Next,take a precise look to the reflected picture of the Matt screen and the mark of the autofocus area.
Thanks Asahiman.

The AF area of this new DSLR extends to the very bottom of the sensor.
It appears this camera will have as many AF points, or a very similar configuration, as the Canon 5D MkIV.

Vertically, at least 3 x 7 AF points.

Two horizontal areas of at least 3 x 5 points.

In total: 21 + 15 + 15 = 51 AF points. At least.
Which picture are you looking at? Don't tell me i need new specs again!

In any case, i think it's clear that we're getting a joystick, wider AF coverage and many more AF points. And I'm guessing electronics capable of processing these at a minimum of, say, 8fps?

I think we'll finally have a serious sports/birding camera! :D !!!
That's great news for Pentaxians. But let's not forget the importance of high end telephoto lenses with such a camera. Is the 150-450 fast enough, aperture wise and lens motor wise?

What a bore that Sigma dropped K-mount support, the 500mm f4S would have been a dream lens for this new Pentax.

Pentax should make a 400/4 lens.
This is a fantastic idea... along with a 200 f/2 and a 300 f/2.8 while they're at it.

But seeming as they can't even launch an 85mm f/1.4 that has been teased for 2 years, I don't have any confidence in them launching a single fast telephoto as well. Much less several launched lenses in short order.

I get the impression Ricoh never really mastered B2C delivery. They are such a B2B based company that interacting and operating in a consumer environment where the sales cycle is much shorter seems alien to them.

Perhaps in a decade the lens lineup circa 2017 will be fulfilled. Perhaps also by then they will be the premiere (read: only) brand solely dedicated to DSLR cameras.

It could go well.. or it could go like Kodak (who figured despite slumping film sales the margins were plenty to stay afloat without converting to digital; that at their core they were a film company and should stay a film company).
 
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Why do most think the rear screen is fixed? It is quite apparent that the the bottom right of the screen assembly has a detent/lip of some sort that you can see goes into the bottom plate also. Maybe for ones finger to pull it out and who knows similar to K1 inside.
Because of these additional pictures.
exactly you can see clearly what I’m talking about, it even ventures into the base plate. Regardless I think it will have a flip screen of sorts
It could be a spring loaded (catch release) pop out screen with the initial trigger to open it accessed from the menu or that as yet unnamed button (in the top left corner)? The "finger divot" in the bottom right corner would be bigger once the spring catch is released. That would explain why (if it is an articulating screen) it is flush with the body.

But ... I guess we'll just have to wait and see?
 
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I found a small card reader on Amazon for about $8.00 US that plugs directly into my I-phone so by shooting JPG’s to the 2nd card I can just pop the card out of the camera and transfer images directly to my phone. It works way faster than the WI-FI app and you don’t have to deal with getting the camera to connect to the phone.

Bob
 
Flash.. flash..

Before K3II EVERY pentax K mount digital body had build-in flash. Flash capable of fill-in or external flash wireless command. K20D and bodies before even used flash as very powerful AF assist unmatched by today green LEDs, (although not discrete at all).

Then somebody decided to save few yens and remove flash with its capacitor from camera.. very sad move.

Say hello to PRO level sealed rugged FF camera with flash.. .

Or

or APS-C PRO level sports/action camera? Well..

Oh yes..

With K3II, K1 and this new K-something the only possible way is to carry this METZ 26 or similar unit everywhere :(

With today hi-iso even the small KP pop-up flash is good enough... bad idea to remove it. Bad.
 
Flash.. flash..

Before K3II EVERY pentax K mount digital body had build-in flash. Flash capable of fill-in or external flash wireless command. K20D and bodies before even used flash as very powerful AF assist unmatched by today green LEDs, (although not discrete at all).

Then somebody decided to save few yens and remove flash with its capacitor from camera.. very sad move.

Say hello to PRO level sealed rugged FF camera with flash.. .

Or

or APS-C PRO level sports/action camera? Well..

Oh yes..

With K3II, K1 and this new K-something the only possible way is to carry this METZ 26 or similar unit everywhere :(

With today hi-iso even the small KP pop-up flash is good enough... bad idea to remove it. Bad.
Sooo... Get a used K-3. Or K-5. Or K-70, or KP, or, K-S2 or any number of previous Pentax cameras prior to the K-3II. Or just wait for the KP or K-70 successor. I'm sure that they'll have a built-in flash. There, built-in flash problem solved.

Now that we've substantively concluded that this new camera is simply the worst camera ever conceived by any company at any time in history because it lacks a built-in flash, would it be possible to leave the built-in flash topic behind?
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This thread just seems to be an ongoing argument about two features ; I don’t see any cons re not having an articulating screen ; I use it quite a lot on my K-1 when shooting from waist level , or from a tripod in the studio , or from very low or high angles ( pity though it doesn’t go to 90 degrees downwards ) . I like shooting from waist level as it gives a better perspective of people - something I learned in my years of using medium format kit .

Built in flash , can be handy , but I never had it before my MZ-S , unless I were to count my Kodak Instamatic with the little flash cubes one plugged onto the top for 4 shots ; nor do I know how I managed shooting professionally for more than two decades with my two MX bodies , two LX bodies , various Rollei TLR’s , or the Hasselblads of my employer , none of which had built in flash .

These days I no longer earn a living from photography ( just do the odd job now and again ) but I have the best of both worlds : My K-01 and K-3 have pop up flash ( which I don’t often use ) and my K-1 has built in GPS ( which I don’t often use either ) .

To my mind , a multi page discussion about two seldom used features , and one nice to have feature has left aside the many important questions about this new camera .

questions like what sensor will it have ? For me to be interested it would have to be a noticeable improvement over my K-3 , which is still a very good camera ; the 24mp is enough resolution, but improvement in noise would be good .

What is the frame rate for continuous shooting , and how deep is the buffer when shooting RAW .

Some will wonder about AF , for me a non issue as many of my lenses are manual , and I’ve had them since my film days ( so FF compatible too ) so after 50 years of focusing manually I don’t worry about AF .

yes , if I were buying this I’d like to see the D-Li90 battery retained , as well as dual card slots .

while I have a couple of times linked to my phone to remote trigger , it’s not something I’d use much , but I accept that others might , and I have no need to wirelessly transfer to my phone since I will have my laptop if I need to send pictures from an event - sometimes I even take an interim photo with my phone and send it before the event is finished , then update with ‘proper’ photos later .

For all of the above we will need to await some announcement from Pentax , all the current announcement tells us is they are working on ‘something’ .

what I would have liked for the centenary would have been a pro level ‘digital LX’ and it would appropriately have been called the C .
 
KC has an appropriate ring to it.
 
Should have GPS, if it has no flash. Honestly, flash is more useful. You can record GPS coordinates other ways (phone or smartwatch) and sync later in LR.
I'll take the GPS, there are plenty of external flashes
I'll take flash, get yourself OGPS1.
Why would I when its able to be included in the camera body, I used to desire the pop-up flash for triggering external flashes, now I just trigger them optically, it suits me.
Each to their own I guess. But I just don’t get (or more specifically, personally don’t need) in built GPS. I generally know where I took a photo just by looking at the photo... I have never needed (or indeed wanted) to know the exact GPS coordinates.

I am much more likely to use an in built flash on occasions than a GPS... but, that’s just me.
Me either, however if I want to do astro its there and if I want to know my coordinates like how close I am to the arctic circle when in Iceland it is also there. I learned to live without the flash on the K-1.
Actually, after getting K-1 I think GPS is essential. You can then access images after position. Very nice way of organising images. There are way too few cameras with GPS.

Unfortunately Google have made the Geo API a pay service. This has broken many Geo functionalities, like the Geo support in Lightroom 6.0. You can still get the coordinates and paste them to Google Maps, but you cannot get native Geo support in LR 6.0.

In principle you could get a Geo API subscription yourself and pay it. But, it does not work as then LR 6.0 needs to use my keys somehow, which it cannot.

I also think you can get Geo support in creative cloud, but I do not think I want a subscription.
 
for the precise eyes…. Have a look under the mirror.

How wide is the light protector of the autofocus unit in compare to current aps-c Pentax bodies?

Next,take a precise look to the reflected picture of the Matt screen and the mark of the autofocus area.
Thanks Asahiman.

The AF area of this new DSLR extends to the very bottom of the sensor.
It appears this camera will have as many AF points, or a very similar configuration, as the Canon 5D MkIV.

Vertically, at least 3 x 7 AF points.

Two horizontal areas of at least 3 x 5 points.

In total: 21 + 15 + 15 = 51 AF points. At least.
Which picture are you looking at? Don't tell me i need new specs again!

In any case, i think it's clear that we're getting a joystick, wider AF coverage and many more AF points. And I'm guessing electronics capable of processing these at a minimum of, say, 8fps?

I think we'll finally have a serious sports/birding camera! :D !!!
That's great news for Pentaxians. But let's not forget the importance of high end telephoto lenses with such a camera. Is the 150-450 fast enough,
I have one. It's definitely sharp enough.
aperture wise
with ISO as good as it is today...

also, seeing the price of modern f/4 super telephotos

I think the aperture is a good compromise
and lens motor wise?
yes, i would say so.
What a bore that Sigma dropped K-mount support, the 500mm f4S would have been a dream lens for this new Pentax.
but the price....
Pentax should make a 400/4 lens.
They have a 560/5.6

Same aperture ratio, more reach.
I know, I used one for 5 years, a great lens! The lens DC motor however was clearly not anywhere near what would be needed for D500 level AF.
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for the precise eyes…. Have a look under the mirror.

How wide is the light protector of the autofocus unit in compare to current aps-c Pentax bodies?

Next,take a precise look to the reflected picture of the Matt screen and the mark of the autofocus area.
Thanks Asahiman.

The AF area of this new DSLR extends to the very bottom of the sensor.
It appears this camera will have as many AF points, or a very similar configuration, as the Canon 5D MkIV.

Vertically, at least 3 x 7 AF points.

Two horizontal areas of at least 3 x 5 points.

In total: 21 + 15 + 15 = 51 AF points. At least.
Which picture are you looking at? Don't tell me i need new specs again!

In any case, i think it's clear that we're getting a joystick, wider AF coverage and many more AF points. And I'm guessing electronics capable of processing these at a minimum of, say, 8fps?

I think we'll finally have a serious sports/birding camera! :D !!!
That's great news for Pentaxians. But let's not forget the importance of high end telephoto lenses with such a camera. Is the 150-450 fast enough, aperture wise and lens motor wise?

What a bore that Sigma dropped K-mount support, the 500mm f4S would have been a dream lens for this new Pentax.

Pentax should make a 400/4 lens.
This is a fantastic idea...
Yes, I thought so too.
along with a 200 f/2 and a 300 f/2.8 while they're at it.
A 300/2.8 is a crucial lens also, agreed. And of course matching 1.4x and 2.0x extenders. That should have them set with the new APS-C flagship.
But seeming as they can't even launch an 85mm f/1.4 that has been teased for 2 years, I don't have any confidence in them launching a single fast telephoto as well. Much less several launched lenses in short order.
Perhaps, but I don't believe in excuses. Ricoh has to choose: offer a competitive fast APS-C system..... or not. If they choose the latter, than what is all the fuss about how good the new high end APS-C body will be? Sigma dropped support for the K-mount unfortunately, so they will simply háve to make these lenses themselves. What on earth are they making a high end APS-C camera for otherwise? For lenses like the DA11-18mm f2.8? The DA11-18fmm 2.8 does not need a high performance APS-C body, the KP seems just fine for that lens... all I can think of, is the 70-200mm f2.8, and perhaps the 150-450mm, but that is already a slow lens aperture wise, and it has a DC motor, which is reliable but too slow to track fast action. Quite a puzzle here....
I get the impression Ricoh never really mastered B2C delivery. They are such a B2B based company that interacting and operating in a consumer environment where the sales cycle is much shorter seems alien to them.

Perhaps in a decade the lens lineup circa 2017 will be fulfilled. Perhaps also by then they will be the premiere (read: only) brand solely dedicated to DSLR cameras.

It could go well.. or it could go like Kodak (who figured despite slumping film sales the margins were plenty to stay afloat without converting to digital; that at their core they were a film company and should stay a film company).
 
The screen is articulated.
I'm not sure that we should read too much into what's on this "under glass" prototype.

(a) There is definitely something designed so that corner is not square.

(b) All the edges of the screen are look to be flush.

(c) Possibly the unlabelled button at the top left is a release to pop the screen out.

(d) The body looks to be based on the K1 frame so there would be space for the mechanicals of an articulated screen.

We won't know until real models go out.
 

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