Canon EOS M5 discontinued?

GinaRothfels said:

Andy01 said:

Outdoorphoto.co.za was the only place that popped up in my quick search that says discontinued - perhaps someone should tell Canon (South Africa).

Colin

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Ormsdirect.co.za are showing it as discontinued too, and Kameraz.com have removed it from their site. I know that Kameraz still had the M5 in their window just over a week ago, but I presume that they've sold out since then. I'll probably go to the store tomorrow to ask if they know what's going on.

I don't really want the M5 though, I want an M5 Mark II, but if it's not coming my options are down to the more recent M50 of a (rather costly) move to Fujifilm.

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I would think that Canon.co.za might be your most reliable source, so a shop.

The M5 is not really old tech - it has the most current and best available Canon APS-C sensor. It is also the most customisable M series with the most dials & wheels (more than 80D). Probably the only REAL improvements that the M50 has is the small AF improvement, flippy screen and a handicapped 4K for those who want the bragging rights. As far as ergonomics and features, go, the M50 is a bit behind the M5.

I would expect that the M5 ii might have a few extra features, and better AF, but I doubt that there would be a massive sensor / IQ improvement. Most likely an incremental (rather than revolutionary) improvement (a bit like the 80D vs 70D).

Colin

Andy01 said:

GinaRothfels said:

Andy01 said:

Outdoorphoto.co.za was the only place that popped up in my quick search that says discontinued - perhaps someone should tell Canon (South Africa).

Colin

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Ormsdirect.co.za are showing it as discontinued too, and Kameraz.com have removed it from their site. I know that Kameraz still had the M5 in their window just over a week ago, but I presume that they've sold out since then. I'll probably go to the store tomorrow to ask if they know what's going on.

I don't really want the M5 though, I want an M5 Mark II, but if it's not coming my options are down to the more recent M50 of a (rather costly) move to Fujifilm.

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I would think that Canon.co.za might be your most reliable source, so a shop.

The M5 is not really old tech - it has the most current and best available Canon APS-C sensor. It is also the most customisable M series with the most dials & wheels (more than 80D). Probably the only REAL improvements that the M50 has is the small AF improvement, flippy screen and a handicapped 4K for those who want the bragging rights. As far as ergonomics and features, go, the M50 is a bit behind the M5.

I would expect that the M5 ii might have a few extra features, and better AF, but I doubt that there would be a massive sensor / IQ improvement. Most likely an incremental (rather than revolutionary) improvement (a bit like the 80D vs 70D).

Colin

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Colin,

I have a slightly different take. I have both the M5, M50, his d80 and the D80 predecessor 7d2. I agree on the M5 with the dials and wheels. I miss my c1 and c2 especially from my M5. I kind of miss my longer battery life. But the af in the M50 is far superior. The small box af is much more accurate. The tracking works but not to 7d2 standards. If one is doing landscapes, then the af in both m5 or m50 are great. If a few mm makes a difference then with the M5 one has to use manual focus in my opinion. From what I can tell the sensor is the same in both. The M50 has a a compact form of Raw file format which allows slightly more images in a buffer, but the buffer is still very small. But, for me the real difference is the small box af accuracy. If this is not important then maybe the dials and buttons win out...don't know. I got the wheel programmed to allow me all the control I need plus the m button.

Bp

Ask yourself, does the M5 lack anything that I actually need? The one and only thing this camera lacks over any other modern camera is 4K video. Otherwise, a modern 24mp sensor, great AF, great video, uncompressed RAW, a tilty LCD, three dials, best touchscreen/EVF combo in the game, amazing UI, lovely ergonomics, a handsome sleek thin aesthetic, low weight, huge lens selection, strong weather/dust sealing, etc

You can kind of extrapolate on how the M5II is going to offer so you could see if it would add anything you "need"

Sure:

1- 4K video

2- M50-like newer DPAF

3- Silent shutter

4- Eye AF

5- 120p mode

Probablies:

6- Fully articulating LCD

Maybe it would move upmarket with dual slots and a higher-end EVF but not that likely.

Anyhow: I used the XT30 and wouldn't trade my M50 for it. It just isn't as "nice" to use and I much prefer the OOC images of the Canon, but more importantly the lenses are SO MUCH less expensive it makes your head spin.

-Canon 22mm f/2: 229$

-Fujifilm 23mm f/2: 400$

-Canon 32mm f/1.4: 479$

-Fujifilm 35mm f/1.4: 550$

-Canon 50mm f/1.8: 99$

-Fujifilm 50mm f/2: 350$

-Canon 11-22mm: 340$

-Fujifilm 10-24mm: 900$

-Canon 18-150mm: 499$

-Fujifilm 18-135mm: 800$

These are the five lenses you'll most likely need to choose from (UWA, the prime trio and the travel superzoom). There is a 1200$ difference in those, making the XT30 more like a 2500ish camera than a 1000$ one (and that difference includes an EF adapter for the 50 and any other EF lens you own!)

There's an eye watering 650$ difference in lens prices even if you just buy the two essentials of the M, the 11-22mm & 32mm.

Regardless: no the EF adapter of course does NOT introduce any chromatic (or any other kind of) abberrations. It doesn't alter optical charachteristics at all as it doesn't even include any optics. It's just a hollow tube.

Ebrahim Saadawi said:

Ask yourself, does the M5 lack anything that I actually need? The one and only thing this camera lacks over any other modern camera is 4K video. Otherwise, a modern 24mp sensor, great AF, great video, uncompressed RAW, a tilty LCD, three dials, best touchscreen/EVF combo in the game, amazing UI, lovely ergonomics, a handsome sleek thin aesthetic, low weight, huge lens selection, strong weather/dust sealing, etc

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My main issue with the M5 (aside from its limited availability in South Africa) is the fact that the M50 has better AF.

Ebrahim Saadawi said:

You can kind of extrapolate on how the M5II is going to offer so you could see if it would add anything you "need"

Sure:

1- 4K video

2- M50-like newer DPAF

3- Silent shutter

4- Eye AF

5- 120p mode

Probablies:

6- Fully articulating LCD

Maybe it would move upmarket with dual slots and a higher-end EVF but not that likely.

Anyhow: I used the XT30 and wouldn't trade my M50 for it. It just isn't as "nice" to use and I much prefer the OOC images of the Canon,

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Now that's useful info. I haven't handled either camera yet, so its good to hear from someone who's used both.

Ebrahim Saadawi said:

but more importantly the lenses are SO MUCH less expensive it makes your head spin.

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They also seem to weigh a lot more, which is important to me as a small woman.

Ebrahim Saadawi said:

-Canon 22mm f/2: 229$

-Fujifilm 23mm f/2: 400$

-Canon 32mm f/1.4: 479$

-Fujifilm 35mm f/1.4: 550$

-Canon 50mm f/1.8: 99$

-Fujifilm 50mm f/2: 350$

-Canon 11-22mm: 340$

-Fujifilm 10-24mm: 900$

-Canon 18-150mm: 499$

-Fujifilm 18-135mm: 800$

These are the five lenses you'll most likely need to choose from (UWA, the prime trio and the travel superzoom). There is a 1200$ difference in those, making the XT30 more like a 2500ish camera than a 1000$ one (and that difference includes an EF adapter for the 50 and any other EF lens you own!)

There's an eye watering 650$ difference in lens prices even if you just buy the two essentials of the M, the 11-22mm & 32mm.

Regardless: no the EF adapter of course does NOT introduce any chromatic (or any other kind of) abberrations. It doesn't alter optical charachteristics at all as it doesn't even include any optics. It's just a hollow tube.

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Talking of the EF adapter, is it likely to work with my favourite lens - the Tokina 10-17mm fisheye?

GinaRothfels said:

Ebrahim Saadawi said:

Ask yourself, does the M5 lack anything that I actually need? The one and only thing this camera lacks over any other modern camera is 4K video. Otherwise, a modern 24mp sensor, great AF, great video, uncompressed RAW, a tilty LCD, three dials, best touchscreen/EVF combo in the game, amazing UI, lovely ergonomics, a handsome sleek thin aesthetic, low weight, huge lens selection, strong weather/dust sealing, etc

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My main issue with the M5 (aside from its limited availability in South Africa) is the fact that the M50 has better AF.

GinaRothfels said:

You can kind of extrapolate on how the M5II is going to offer so you could see if it would add anything you "need"

Sure:

1- 4K video

2- M50-like newer DPAF

3- Silent shutter

4- Eye AF

5- 120p mode

Probablies:

6- Fully articulating LCD

Maybe it would move upmarket with dual slots and a higher-end EVF but not that likely.

Anyhow: I used the XT30 and wouldn't trade my M50 for it. It just isn't as "nice" to use and I much prefer the OOC images of the Canon,

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Now that's useful info. I haven't handled either camera yet, so its good to hear from someone who's used both.

GinaRothfels said:

but more importantly the lenses are SO MUCH less expensive it makes your head spin.

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They also seem to weigh a lot more, which is important to me as a small woman.

GinaRothfels said:

-Canon 22mm f/2: 229$

-Fujifilm 23mm f/2: 400$

-Canon 32mm f/1.4: 479$

-Fujifilm 35mm f/1.4: 550$

-Canon 50mm f/1.8: 99$

-Fujifilm 50mm f/2: 350$

-Canon 11-22mm: 340$

-Fujifilm 10-24mm: 900$

-Canon 18-150mm: 499$

-Fujifilm 18-135mm: 800$

These are the five lenses you'll most likely need to choose from (UWA, the prime trio and the travel superzoom). There is a 1200$ difference in those, making the XT30 more like a 2500ish camera than a 1000$ one (and that difference includes an EF adapter for the 50 and any other EF lens you own!)

There's an eye watering 650$ difference in lens prices even if you just buy the two essentials of the M, the 11-22mm & 32mm.

Regardless: no the EF adapter of course does NOT introduce any chromatic (or any other kind of) abberrations. It doesn't alter optical charachteristics at all as it doesn't even include any optics. It's just a hollow tube.

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Talking of the EF adapter, is it likely to work with my favourite lens - the Tokina 10-17mm fisheye?

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One thing I would think about with the M lenses is they can't be used with any other Canon cameras. So I think of mine m lenses (I use the 18-150 all the time) as great throw away lenses which I will use and if I ever want to go to a full frame canon camera again well so what. I use on my M50 on my canon 100 micro, my 100-400, my 500, my 600, and my s55-250 (sometimes as a street walk a round, flower lens...it is sharp) . As far as I am concerned there are no M equivalent to these. Some will argue and that is there right...each to their own. From their perspective of course they are right. So the m50 and perhaps other m's that focus well with the adapter can take as good an image in most circumstances as any camera one can buy. Certainly as good as "my" abilities allow.

Bp

Ebrahim Saadawi said:

Ask yourself, does the M5 lack anything that I actually need? The one and only thing this camera lacks over any other modern camera is 4K video. Otherwise, a modern 24mp sensor, great AF, great video, uncompressed RAW, a tilty LCD, three dials, best touchscreen/EVF combo in the game, amazing UI, lovely ergonomics, a handsome sleek thin aesthetic, low weight, huge lens selection, strong weather/dust sealing, etc

You can kind of extrapolate on how the M5II is going to offer so you could see if it would add anything you "need"

Sure:

1- 4K video

2- M50-like newer DPAF

3- Silent shutter

4- Eye AF

5- 120p mode

Probablies:

6- Fully articulating LCD

Maybe it would move upmarket with dual slots and a higher-end EVF but not that likely.

Anyhow: I used the XT30 and wouldn't trade my M50 for it. It just isn't as "nice" to use and I much prefer the OOC images of the Canon, but more importantly the lenses are SO MUCH less expensive it makes your head spin.

-Canon 22mm f/2: 229$

-Fujifilm 23mm f/2: 400$

-Canon 32mm f/1.4: 479$

-Fujifilm 35mm f/1.4: 550$

-Canon 50mm f/1.8: 99$

-Fujifilm 50mm f/2: 350$

-Canon 11-22mm: 340$

-Fujifilm 10-24mm: 900$

-Canon 18-150mm: 499$

-Fujifilm 18-135mm: 800$

These are the five lenses you'll most likely need to choose from (UWA, the prime trio and the travel superzoom). There is a 1200$ difference in those, making the XT30 more like a 2500ish camera than a 1000$ one (and that difference includes an EF adapter for the 50 and any other EF lens you own!)

There's an eye watering 650$ difference in lens prices even if you just buy the two essentials of the M, the 11-22mm & 32mm.

Regardless: no the EF adapter of course does NOT introduce any chromatic (or any other kind of) abberrations. It doesn't alter optical charachteristics at all as it doesn't even include any optics. It's just a hollow tube.

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I went the other way and traded my M6 and lens for the XT-30. lol. I found it great to use, AF is super fast and nice, I love the straight out of camera images and find I spend less time editing, have more dynamic range to play with, and have more fun shooting, so different strokes for different folks. The 18-55 2.8-4 kit lens is amazing, and with that and the 35mm prime, I don't need much else outside of that.

I liked my Canon, but without any announcement, new lens, I felt like I was in a system that has an uncertain future and no plans from Canon, so I traded it while the value was still good.

ByronP said:

I use the 18-150 all the time

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If I go for one of the Canon M's, I expect I'll do the same. I usually keep the 18-135 on my 80D but I find the combination rather bulky so I really need a similar lens which is easier to carry on a daily basis. That's one of the problems with the Fuji - the camera is smaller but the 18-135 is just as big as the Canon version I already own.

For the rest I tend to go wide rather than long and really love my fisheye. If it doesn't work with the adapter them the 11-22 sounds like a decent alternative.

ByronP said:

if I ever want to go to a full frame canon camera again well so what. I use on my M50 on my canon 100 micro, my 100-400, my 500, my 600, and my s55-250 (sometimes as a street walk a round, flower lens...it is sharp) . As far as I am concerned there are no M equivalent to these. Some will argue and that is there right...each to their own. From their perspective of course they are right. So the m50 and perhaps other m's that focus well with the adapter can take as good an image in most circumstances as any camera one can buy. Certainly as good as "my" abilities allow.

Bp

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55-250 sounds like a lens I might be interested in, but I don't have any huge lenses, nor do I plan to buy any. I have to make do with what's light enough for me to carry.

getochkn said:

I went the other way and traded my M6 and lens for the XT-30. lol. I found it great to use, AF is super fast and nice, I love the straight out of camera images and find I spend less time editing, have more dynamic range to play with, and have more fun shooting, so different strokes for different folks.

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How do you find focus tracking on the Fuji? I saw a video which indicated it's not as good as Sony's but I haven't seen how it compares to the tracking on the Canon M50.

getochkn said:

The 18-55 2.8-4 kit lens is amazing, and with that and the 35mm prime, I don't need much else outside of that.

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Unfortunately I want more reach than that and the 18-135 is big and heavy, expensive too. I really like the idea of the faster kit lens but for my purposes 55mm won't always be enough.

getochkn said:

I liked my Canon, but without any announcement, new lens, I felt like I was in a system that has an uncertain future and no plans from Canon, so I traded it while the value was still good.

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That was one of the reasons I started looking elsewhere too. I bought my Olympus because Canon didn't have a decent mirrorless at the time, but I really want a small camera with a better sensor. At the same time I don't want to invest in the wrong system again. I'm really confused.

GinaRothfels said:

getochkn said:

I went the other way and traded my M6 and lens for the XT-30. lol. I found it great to use, AF is super fast and nice, I love the straight out of camera images and find I spend less time editing, have more dynamic range to play with, and have more fun shooting, so different strokes for different folks.

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How do you find focus tracking on the Fuji? I saw a video which indicated it's not as good as Sony's but I haven't seen how it compares to the tracking on the Canon M50.

GinaRothfels said:

The 18-55 2.8-4 kit lens is amazing, and with that and the 35mm prime, I don't need much else outside of that.

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Unfortunately I want more reach than that and the 18-135 is big and heavy, expensive too. I really like the idea of the faster kit lens but for my purposes 55mm won't always be enough.

GinaRothfels said:

I liked my Canon, but without any announcement, new lens, I felt like I was in a system that has an uncertain future and no plans from Canon, so I traded it while the value was still good.

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That was one of the reasons I started looking elsewhere too. I bought my Olympus because Canon didn't have a decent mirrorless at the time, but I really want a small camera with a better sensor. At the same time I don't want to invest in the wrong system again. I'm really confused.

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Face detection is great, haven't done a lot of tracking shots yet. Focus stacking in a nice feature for macro, built in interval meter, and I do have the cheaper 50-230 tele lens when I want reach. It has 10-30 fps shooting for sports. Eye af is really nice.

I had the canon 22mm, great lens and a gem, the 28mm macro, nice that's has is but a bad focal length for macro and light was a bit gimmicky, 15-46 and 18-55 are slow kit lens with ok quality. Didnt like the 55-200, was never sharp. 18-150 is what I used most of the time on it, but was still a bit slow on the wide end and went up fast in slower apertures even at 50mm. It was a decent travel, small, landscape camera. Low light, it got noisy fast.

GinaRothfels said:

getochkn said:

I went the other way and traded my M6 and lens for the XT-30. lol. I found it great to use, AF is super fast and nice, I love the straight out of camera images and find I spend less time editing, have more dynamic range to play with, and have more fun shooting, so different strokes for different folks.

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How do you find focus tracking on the Fuji? I saw a video which indicated it's not as good as Sony's but I haven't seen how it compares to the tracking on the Canon M50.

GinaRothfels said:

The 18-55 2.8-4 kit lens is amazing, and with that and the 35mm prime, I don't need much else outside of that.

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Unfortunately I want more reach than that and the 18-135 is big and heavy, expensive too. I really like the idea of the faster kit lens but for my purposes 55mm won't always be enough.

GinaRothfels said:

I liked my Canon, but without any announcement, new lens, I felt like I was in a system that has an uncertain future and no plans from Canon, so I traded it while the value was still good.

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That was one of the reasons I started looking elsewhere too. I bought my Olympus because Canon didn't have a decent mirrorless at the time, but I really want a small camera with a better sensor. At the same time I don't want to invest in the wrong system again. I'm really confused.

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Dear Confused,

The camera business is in a pretty steep decline because of the smart phone. If you look in this forum you will find a note from the ceo of canon talking about their next years forecasts. Please read it. Canon is the big guy in the room and where Canon goes others are sure to follow. Smaller companies will consolidate or leave the the segment altogether. Who will be standing in 3-4 years time, who knows? My guess is that they will all be the same size or smaller and there will only be 3 or 4 still standing. If it was me I would place my bets with the big boys OR realize whatever you buy is not going to last long anyway other than maybe the lenses (if you buy big boy lenses--not M lenses.) Bodies come and go. My advice find a system you like. It will be obsolete in no time flat. Enjoy it. Take great images.

And, stay confused. Why should you be any different than the ceo of Canon or Nikon or Sony or any of us where the camera industry is going.

Oh, bye the way this web site probably won't be around to cry on in 4-5 years if the industry reduces in size a lot!!!

Bp

getochkn said:

Face detection is great, haven't done a lot of tracking shots yet. Focus stacking in a nice feature for macro, built in interval meter,

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And multiple exposure, I believe.

getochkn said:

and I do have the cheaper 50-230 tele lens when I want reach. It has 10-30 fps shooting for sports. Eye af is really nice.

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I really like the sound of the Fuji features. It's just that I don't feel I'll be gaining a lot in weight compared to my DSLR, though I suppose the same size lens on a smaller body is still a benefit. The combined weight with 18-135 is more than Canon M50 with 18-150, but the length is about the same, and similar to the Olympus with 12-50 which is what I'm carrying most of the time right now. And for my purposes size is at least as important as weight. The Fuji kit lens sounds really nice but I'd really prefer to have the bigger range in one lens.

getochkn said:

I had the canon 22mm, great lens and a gem, the 28mm macro, nice that's has is but a bad focal length for macro and light was a bit gimmicky,

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Macro wouldn't be a big issue because I have the Canon 60mm macro which I could use with an adapter. Macro is actually an area in which I'm least happy with what Fuji has to offer.

getochkn said:

15-46 and 18-55 are slow kit lens with ok quality. Didnt like the 55-200, was never sharp. 18-150 is what I used most of the time on it, but was still a bit slow on the wide end and went up fast in slower apertures even at 50mm. It was a decent travel, small, landscape camera. Low light, it got noisy fast.

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18-150 would be my lens of choice for daily use if I go Canon but the fact that it's slow isn't in its favour.

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ByronP wrote:.

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ByronP said:

Dear Confused,

The camera business is in a pretty steep decline because of the smart phone. If you look in this forum you will find a note from the ceo of canon talking about their next years forecasts. Please read it. Canon is the big guy in the room and where Canon goes others are sure to follow. Smaller companies will consolidate or leave the the segment altogether. Who will be standing in 3-4 years time, who knows? My guess is that they will all be the same size or smaller and there will only be 3 or 4 still standing. If it was me I would place my bets with the big boys OR realize whatever you buy is not going to last long anyway other than maybe the lenses (if you buy big boy lenses--not M lenses.) Bodies come and go. My advice find a system you like. It will be obsolete in no time flat. Enjoy it. Take great images.

And, stay confused. Why should you be any different than the ceo of Canon or Nikon or Sony or any of us where the camera industry is going.

Oh, bye the way this web site probably won't be around to cry on in 4-5 years if the industry reduces in size a lot!!!

Bp

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I've noticed that and it's also a concern, but I don't want to buy something I'll regret in the short term. Once I buy into a system I have to live with it for a few years at least!

We don't live in a world where we can make buying decisions for years and years to come. That is the price we pay for rapid technological innovation and a free market.

If you have some Canon glass around you want to use in the future, just buy a M50. The M50 is even lighter than the M5, and the AF improvements are significant.

If the use of Canon glass isn't that important maybe Sony might be more future proof. Unlike Canon M Sony aps-c shares it's mount with Sony full frame. But these kind of predictions are so uncertain, i would advice you to just buy Fuji if you like Fuji now, just buy Canon if you like Canon now, just buy something else if you like that for now.

Canon M has some good glass:

- ef-m 11-22

- ef-m 22mm

- ef-m 32mm

If one of those appeal to you, Canon has an advantage.

If you want a portrait lens in the 50mm range (kind of 85mm equivalent) and you want something better than EF 50mm f/1.8 stm adapted, you're stuck with Canon. For other mounts there is a Sigma 56mm f/1.4 available, which will give superior results compared to all Canon 50mm's at aps-c. Sigma also has a mirrorless aps-c 16mm f/1.4 and a 30mm f/1.4, but both not available for ef-m mount. Something both as fast and wide as the 16mm doesn't exist for ef-m mount. The 30mm isn't needed for M as there is the stellar Canon 32mm.

If you like to zoom and you like compact i don't have any advice for you, as in my opinion good zooms never get compact (ef-s 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM is my "compact zoom"). Fortunately there is a great variety of opinions on this forum.

GinaRothfels said:

Larry Cunningham said:

thunder storm said:

GinaRothfels said:

I'd also lose out on the Canon EF-M to EF adapter but that may not be a bad thing as I've read that it added a lot of chromatic aberration to photos.

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source?

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Yeah, I'm wondering about that myself. I've never seen a claim that the adapter adds chromatic aberration, and I haven't seen any evidence in the photos I've taken using the adapter.

Larry

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It was in the 2nd comment onthis post or 3rd if you count the original post.

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The adapter can't add any chromatic aberrations as it's just a spacer to put EF or EF-S lenses in the right place relative to the sensor. Obviously the 1.6x crop will magnify any aberrations already present in an EF lens used on a crop sensor by a factor of 1.6 relative to what you would see in a similar sized full frame image but the same thing would happen print an EF lens on a cropped format DSLR.

thunder storm said:

We don't live in a world where we can make buying decisions for years and years to come. That is the price we pay for rapid technological innovation and a free market.

If you have some Canon glass around you want to use in the future, just buy a M50. The M50 is even lighter than the M5, and the AF improvements are significant.

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I have a fair amount of Canon glass (not the good stuff though) so the M50 is probably the sensible option. I'm just worried that I'm going to miss some of the features I'm used to using on my 80D. And I'm terrified that the M5 Mark II will be announced as soon as I've bought the M50.

thunder storm said:

If the use of Canon glass isn't that important maybe Sony might be more future proof. Unlike Canon M Sony aps-c shares it's mount with Sony full frame. But these kind of predictions are so uncertain, i would advice you to just buy Fuji if you like Fuji now, just buy Canon if you like Canon now, just buy something else if you like that for now.

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I'm not really keen on Sony but the specifications of the Fuji X-T30 seem really attractive. The things against it are the extra weight of the 18-135 and the fact that it's not compatible with my Canon glass. And I just realised that the Fuji 18-135 costs almost as much as the Canon M50 with 18-150. On paper the Fuji lenses look a lot better than equivalent Canon lenses though.

thunder storm said:

Canon M has some good glass:

- ef-m 11-22

- ef-m 22mm

- ef-m 32mm

If one of those appeal to you, Canon has an advantage.

If you want a portrait lens in the 50mm range (kind of 85mm equivalent) and you want something better than EF 50mm f/1.8 stm adapted, you're stuck with Canon. For other mounts there is a Sigma 56mm f/1.4 available, which will give superior results compared to all Canon 50mm's at aps-c. Sigma also has a mirrorless aps-c 16mm f/1.4 and a 30mm f/1.4, but both not available for ef-m mount. Something both as fast and wide as the 16mm doesn't exist for ef-m mount. The 30mm isn't needed for M as there is the stellar Canon 32mm.

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I wonder if the limited availability of 3rd party lenses for Canon M is a sign that the system is going nowhere.

thunder storm said:

If you like to zoom and you like compact i don't have any advice for you, as in my opinion good zooms never get compact (ef-s 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM is my "compact zoom"). Fortunately there is a great variety of opinions on this forum.

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I realise that lenses like the 18-150 aren't going to give the best image quality, but I really want something that I can keep with me when I'm driving so that I can grab a quick shot when I see something of interest. I've been doing that with my Olympus OMD EM5, but the 12-50mm range (24-100 equivalent) isn't always enough and I want better AF than it offers.

Just want to add that a huge part of my confusion is probably doubt over whether I want mirrorless as my second camera or whether I want to move away from my DSLR in the long term. Perhaps the Fuji would be a better option as a main camera but isn't really necessary if I plan to continue using my DSLR.

Rumours about an M5II are just that but it is a fact that Canon has registered several new models for wifi. There will be new Canon cameras announced soon, we just can't be sure which lines those will be.

As to the shrinking of the camera market. Yes, it is shrinking and that's perhaps a good reason to buy into a system that already offers or is compatible with a full product range rather than an emerging system like Samsung was in 2014.

Fyi the fringer adapter for Fuji allows ef glass with is, autofocus, exit, etc. So your canon glass isn't lost on Fuji.

getochkn said:

Fyi the fringer adapter for Fuji allows ef glass with is, autofocus, exit, etc. So your canon glass isn't lost on Fuji.

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The trouble is a lot of accessories are really hard to come by in South Africa. I've just had a quick look and I don't think anyone around here stocks it.

whakapu said:

Rumours about an M5II are just that but it is a fact that Canon has registered several new models for wifi. There will be new Canon cameras announced soon, we just can't be sure which lines those will be.

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I'm aware of all that. That's one of the things that is making this decision so difficult.

whakapu said:

As to the shrinking of the camera market. Yes, it is shrinking and that's perhaps a good reason to buy into a system that already offers or is compatible with a full product range rather than an emerging system like Samsung was in 2014.

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So which brands would you rule out on that basis?

Based on their lens selection, Canon M-series looks a bit like an emerging system despite its compatibility with EF and EF-S lenses.