Sony Extended Zoom, Images Here (not words!)

Well, as peg legged Civil War Veterans go, he is kinda cute,

IF you could have trained him better, you might have had him face the other way or, move further down the branch.

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Hey, there's now room on that branch for two!

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David
 
I said you trained him poorly, he's not standing where he is supposed to be.

I learned from you to leave some space in front of birds and other animals to imagine movement. This is the opposite of, and proof of that.

What I get by staying out, is awareness of the environment and the imagined sound of the waterfall, as well as the variations in the background. Darkness behind the bird is unfortunate, your up-scaled version and close crop minimized that problem.

I love detail, but too close, without environment seems like an Audubon Guide.

It's spring, my Chipmunk showed up today, along with a few varieties of birds that have been missing. We have Jr. the new Cardinal. Sadly, the trees surrounding the feeder were crushed in a storm, and now gone, so they aren't able to perch nearby, reducing me to shots on the feeder (I'm kinda done with that) or on the ground, less than scenic backgrounds.
 
I said you trained him poorly, he's not standing where he is supposed to be.

I learned from you to leave some space in front of birds and other animals to imagine movement. This is the opposite of, and proof of that.

What I get by staying out, is awareness of the environment and the imagined sound of the waterfall, as well as the variations in the background. Darkness behind the bird is unfortunate, your up-scaled version and close crop minimized that problem.

I love detail, but too close, without environment seems like an Audubon Guide.

It's spring, my Chipmunk showed up today, along with a few varieties of birds that have been missing. We have Jr. the new Cardinal. Sadly, the trees surrounding the feeder were crushed in a storm, and now gone, so they aren't able to perch nearby, reducing me to shots on the feeder (I'm kinda done with that) or on the ground, less than scenic backgrounds.
Don't get so hung up on that one tightly cropped bird image. I only used it to illustrate the joys of cropping and upscaling in post. That's all, no need to dissect the merits or otherwise of the actual image to that extent. Here's one at the other extreme It's a shot of some ducks on my local reservoir but they somehow seem lost in the glorious winter wonderland.

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shooting thru dirty glass

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better use Manual Focus

24mm 20mp OZ

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400mm 5mp, SZ 2.0x

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Crop a 5mp SZ? Why Not. (now down to 2.6mp)

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Cute little fella isn't he?

Someone could do some PP, above is what I got in a hurry without checking metering.

My quickie PP, ALL my acquired skills put to work

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shooting thru dirty glass

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better use Manual Focus

24mm 20mp OZ

745559c8003c42a8b1f23e4126dad730.jpg

400mm 5mp, SZ 2.0x

e76cae11884b49d386d7e7c525d41f61.jpg

Crop a 5mp SZ? Why Not. (now down to 2.6mp)

71374d1fc00d486782c332db6f888c94.jpg

Cute little fella isn't he?

Someone could do some PP, above is what I got in a hurry without checking metering.

My quickie PP, ALL my acquired skills put to work

25e568b8cb6741959982824c18116e03.jpg
But you're not supposed to be cropping in post are you? That's the whole point of your thread. It's just as easy to crop a 20MP image in post as it is a 5MP image! The end result is exactly the same.

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shooting thru dirty glass

77084f3ab2dd4a969e681daa593baff2.jpg

better use Manual Focus



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But your not supposed to be cropping in post are you? That's the whole point of your thread. It's just as easy to crop a 20MP image in post as it is a 5MP image!

David
Here, aside from the extended zoom, I am saying; "don't be afraid to only use 10mp or only 5mp to get extra reach to see more closely while you are shooting.

I never said no crop, actually they call me 'Mr. Crop'.

I always shoot a little wide and crop nearly every photo I take no matter OZ, SZ, CIZ. I still look for alternate crops later. You can crop 5mp a good bit, this is what, 50% gone? If I posted this with no EXIF, what would people think?

And, these rx100's, I very often shoot under-exposed (as I should have done here), and lift shadows later.

A great deal of what I get out of SZ/CIZ is timing, enabled by 'super magnification' (SZ 400mm view combined with Manual Focus Magnification assist). That let me wait until he put his paws together. Presto.

If you are willing, please take the OOC 5mp image below, and upscale it, same as if you had made the crop later yourself. Let's see how it comes out, then crop that to my final image. Normally it would be under-exposed, to cut the highlights while shooting and lift the shadows later.



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You can see a veil of stuff on the glass I was shooting thru, I wonder what up-scaling will do to that?



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Elliott
 
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shooting thru dirty glass

77084f3ab2dd4a969e681daa593baff2.jpg

better use Manual Focus

24mm 20mp OZ

745559c8003c42a8b1f23e4126dad730.jpg

400mm 5mp, SZ 2.0x

e76cae11884b49d386d7e7c525d41f61.jpg

Crop a 5mp SZ? Why Not. (now down to 2.6mp)

71374d1fc00d486782c332db6f888c94.jpg

Cute little fella isn't he?

Someone could do some PP, above is what I got in a hurry without checking metering.

My quickie PP, ALL my acquired skills put to work

25e568b8cb6741959982824c18116e03.jpg
But your not supposed to be cropping in post are you? That's the whole point of your thread. It's just as easy to crop a 20MP image in post as it is a 5MP image!

David
I always shoot a little wide and crop nearly every photo I take no matter OZ, SZ, CIZ. You can crop 5mp a good bit, this is what, 50% gone? If I posted this with no EXIF, what would people think?

And, these rx100's, I very often shoot under-exposed (as I should have done here), and lift shadows later.

A great deal of what I get out of SZ/CIZ is timing, enabled by 'super magnification' (SZ 400mm view combined with Manual Focus Magnification assist). That let me wait until he put his paws together. Presto.
Wait till he puts his paws together? They are most likely to be glued together! You can't fool me, I know a stuffed squirrel when I see one!

David
 
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David,

I've checked the spec on my machine, and the graphics card is the

NVIDIA GeForce GTX1060 Founders Edition 6GB PCIe3.0 x16

Do you know how this compares with yours? Like you, I'm not a gamer, but I asked my favourite PC supplier to design a reasonably high spec all-round workstation for me. They picked what they regarded as a suitable graphics card and I didn't argue. I was more interested in discussing the SSDs, including one relatively exotic Intel Optane drive. I'd not come across that technology before, but their CEO was enthusiastic about it.

The machine has a 12-core water-cooled CPU and 32GB RAM. And, yes, you can drive all the cores at 100% when batch processing a large number of PRIME NR images, so it might be fun to see how it handles Topaz AI apps:


Building up to 100% CPU loading as a number of images are processed in parallel
 
First time Chip appeared, I was still in SZ 2.0x 400mm, 5mp, refine MF, shoot

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Crop to 1.7mp, no upscaling

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that's pushing it, especially as whiskers were not that sharp to begin with. Not sure what AF would have gotten thru the glass. As he moved forward, then hesitated, a quick refinement of MF

a little PP



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Elliott
 
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I think AF thru the glass door. I have past photos better,

No cropping here, just to see 200mm OZ 20mp; 280 SZ 10mp; 400mm SZ 5mp

200mm 20mp OZ

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280mm 10mp SZ

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400mm 5mp SZ

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Sadly, the background is boring, trees smashed in a storm, new fence, poor view of neighbors garage. Nothing extended zoom can do about that.

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Elliott
 
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Well, as peg legged Civil War Veterans go, he is kinda cute,

IF you could have trained him better, you might have had him face the other way or, move further down the branch.

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Make him behave: Back Up or Turn Around!!!
You've exposed the end of the dead branch which I quite like but now the poor thing is crunched up in the top right corner which I definitely don't like!

Lots of birds stand on one leg like this especially when they have a nap. I'm told it's a way to keep at least one foot warm.

This is a scanned slide of a photo I took in 1982 of three of them at it. Image quality rubbish I know!!

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Yes, even I've noticed the one-legged snoozing position of birds. I believe the bones lock into position, so no muscle effort is expended while standing in that awkward-looking position. I think this is a Great Egret that I spotted from a Louisiana swamp boat (and, yes, I know the image quality won't meet your demanding standards!):

One-legged pose
One-legged pose

Truth be told, I was more interested in these guys and their teeth, not their legs:

Alligator takes a look at the boat
Alligator takes a look at the boat

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Your Egret has such a dignified pose, good capture.

Bears and Alligators give me bad dreams (I think, I don't remember my dreams).
 
David,

I've checked the spec on my machine, and the graphics card is the

NVIDIA GeForce GTX1060 Founders Edition 6GB PCIe3.0 x16

Do you know how this compares with yours? Like you, I'm not a gamer, but I asked my favourite PC supplier to design a reasonably high spec all-round workstation for me. They picked what they regarded as a suitable graphics card and I didn't argue. I was more interested in discussing the SSDs, including one relatively exotic Intel Optane drive. I'd not come across that technology before, but their CEO was enthusiastic about it.

The machine has a 12-core water-cooled CPU and 32GB RAM. And, yes, you can drive all the cores at 100% when batch processing a large number of PRIME NR images, so it might be fun to see how it handles Topaz AI apps:


Building up to 100% CPU loading as a number of images are processed in parallel
Good grief. It makes my system feel like s sewing machine. Yours will eat anything you throw at AI Gigapixel for breakfast!.

David
 
Well, as peg legged Civil War Veterans go, he is kinda cute,

IF you could have trained him better, you might have had him face the other way or, move further down the branch.

94cdac43eb1d4110bc1ee01116e0aa27.jpg

Make him behave: Back Up or Turn Around!!!
You've exposed the end of the dead branch which I quite like but now the poor thing is crunched up in the top right corner which I definitely don't like!

Lots of birds stand on one leg like this especially when they have a nap. I'm told it's a way to keep at least one foot warm.

This is a scanned slide of a photo I took in 1982 of three of them at it. Image quality rubbish I know!!

98685fcb1ccf4ba7ba34b62a6686b332.jpg
Yes, even I've noticed the one-legged snoozing position of birds. I believe the bones lock into position, so no muscle effort is expended while standing in that awkward-looking position. I think this is a Great Egret that I spotted from a Louisiana swamp boat (and, yes, I know the image quality won't meet your demanding standards!):

One-legged pose
One-legged pose
Yes, it looks like a Great Egret to me. We get them in this country too, in fact I've seen one this year at Leighton Moss RSPB reserve. Don't worry about the IQ. All white birds are quite difficult to meter for. Here's a shot of its diminutive cousin, a Little Egret which are quite common now in the UK. Elliott should like this one too - lots of habitat and a pleasant geometrical ripple on the water to add interest.

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The bird was a good way off so it's had the AI Gigapixel treatment.

This is the extracted jpeg so you can see what I was up against.

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I used spot metering here but spot metering on a white bird is not really a good idea, unless you apply +1 exp com. But worse than that I've actual taken this shot at F7.1 instead of my usual F4 . God knows how that happened. If I didn't shoot RAW and post process I don't think I'd ever get an half decent bird image! I admire folk who get everything right at the time of capture. I'm very rarely able to do that.

David
 
David,

I've checked the spec on my machine, and the graphics card is the

NVIDIA GeForce GTX1060 Founders Edition 6GB PCIe3.0 x16

Do you know how this compares with yours? Like you, I'm not a gamer, but I asked my favourite PC supplier to design a reasonably high spec all-round workstation for me. They picked what they regarded as a suitable graphics card and I didn't argue. I was more interested in discussing the SSDs, including one relatively exotic Intel Optane drive. I'd not come across that technology before, but their CEO was enthusiastic about it.

The machine has a 12-core water-cooled CPU and 32GB RAM. And, yes, you can drive all the cores at 100% when batch processing a large number of PRIME NR images, so it might be fun to see how it handles Topaz AI apps:


Building up to 100% CPU loading as a number of images are processed in parallel
Good grief. It makes my system feel like s sewing machine. Yours will eat anything you throw at AI Gigapixel for breakfast!.
I don't have much need to upsize images, so I was looking at other Topaz AI modules, such as the new Sharpen AI -- have you used any of them?
 
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David,

I've checked the spec on my machine, and the graphics card is the

NVIDIA GeForce GTX1060 Founders Edition 6GB PCIe3.0 x16

Do you know how this compares with yours? Like you, I'm not a gamer, but I asked my favourite PC supplier to design a reasonably high spec all-round workstation for me. They picked what they regarded as a suitable graphics card and I didn't argue. I was more interested in discussing the SSDs, including one relatively exotic Intel Optane drive. I'd not come across that technology before, but their CEO was enthusiastic about it.

The machine has a 12-core water-cooled CPU and 32GB RAM. And, yes, you can drive all the cores at 100% when batch processing a large number of PRIME NR images, so it might be fun to see how it handles Topaz AI apps:


Building up to 100% CPU loading as a number of images are processed in parallel
Good grief. It makes my system feel like s sewing machine. Yours will eat anything you throw at AI Gigapixel for breakfast!.
I don't have much need to upsize images, so I was looking at other Topaz AI modules, such as the new Sharpen AI -- have you used any of them?
Yes, I was wondering why you were interested in AI Gigapixel.

No I don't use any other Topaz AI modules just Topaz DeNoise but that's ancient and not AI.

This thread may be of interested to you


David
 
I don't have much need to upsize images, so I was looking at other Topaz AI modules, such as the new Sharpen AI -- have you used any of them?
Yes, I was wondering why you were interested in AI Gigapixel.

No I don't use any other Topaz AI modules just Topaz DeNoise but that's ancient and not AI.

This thread may be of interested to you

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62443662

David
I've downloaded Sharpen AI, and tried it out on the Great Egret Shot. I notice that it loses the exif data .

Anyway, here's the result:

Processed in Topaz AI, using the Sharpen mode, which seemed to produce the most realistic results
Processed in Topaz AI, using the Sharpen mode, which seemed to produce the most realistic results

And here's a 2x upscale using AI Gigapixel:



Dimensions doubled in each dimensions (ie, what CIZ might do)
Dimensions doubled in each dimensions (ie, what CIZ might do)



For comparison, here's the original again:

Original file, as output from DxO PL2
Original file, as output from DxO PL2
 
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I don't have much need to upsize images, so I was looking at other Topaz AI modules, such as the new Sharpen AI -- have you used any of them?
Yes, I was wondering why you were interested in AI Gigapixel.

No I don't use any other Topaz AI modules just Topaz DeNoise but that's ancient and not AI.

This thread may be of interested to you

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62443662

David
I've downloaded Sharpen AI, and tried it out on the Great Egret Shot. I notice that it loses the exif data -- does Gigapixel do that too?
There is an option to save metadata in AI Gigapixel. I very much doubt whether I would have bought the program if this wasn't possible.



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Anyway, here's the result:

Processed in Topaz AI, using the Sharpen mode, which seemed to produce the most realistic results
Processed in Topaz AI, using the Sharpen mode, which seemed to produce the most realistic results

For comparison, here's the original again:

Original file, as output from DxO PL2
Original file, as output from DxO PL2
I can see the AI image is sharper but that's all I can say really. I wouldn't need a sharpening module because I swear by USM (Unsharp Mask) in Photoshop. Perhaps it's because I've been using it for 20 years and never felt the need to try anything different. I don't even like Lightroom's attempt at sharpening.

David
 

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