Of course you would have known how to use that feature of your own camera already if the dial was markedActually, I had to look as I never use auto ISO. Yes, you can turn the dial all the way to Auto 1, Auto 2, or Auto 3. Nice feature, thanks for the heads up.
Sal
I would have known if I had a need for the feature.Of course you would have known how to use that feature of your own camera already if the dial was markedActually, I had to look as I never use auto ISO. Yes, you can turn the dial all the way to Auto 1, Auto 2, or Auto 3. Nice feature, thanks for the heads up.
Sal
Yes, exactly as I've been saying. Different ways of doing the same thing.
So when you glance at your aperture and it says F2.8 that may or may not be true depending on the mode dial right? How is that not confusing? If the dial was not marked, then yes, it would not matter. I'm done here because it is pointless to argue over what is, after all, just a preference. Enjoy your PASM dial and leave the "big boy" cameras to us.
Your lens ring won’t show you the Aprrture in S mode on any Fuji, your wasting your time. Use your LCD or EVF (no wonder you’re confused.)So when you glance at your aperture and it says F2.8 that may or may not be true depending on the mode dial right? How is that not confusing? If the dial was not marked, then yes, it would not matter. I'm done here because it is pointless to argue over what is, after all, just a preference. Enjoy your PASM dial and leave the "big boy" cameras to us.
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The D-lux 7 is a panaleica I think. Even that one is pasm-free and has a lay-out very similar to Fuji. The CL has a more modern lay-out it seems, but not pasm
I think the T (and TL/TL2) is one of the more forward-thinking camera's of the past few years, although probably it's not a cam for me as I don't like touchscreens
Now you mention all Fuji models, I can answer. What you are saying is not true for at least the X-T1 and the X-E3, and I think it is unlikely to be true for other models. If i have set the camera to set Speed manually, I can see the Aperture value in the screens [if set upproperly] and the ring [if a marked ringYour lens ring won’t show you the Aprrture in S mode on any Fuji, your wasting your time. Use your LCD or EVF (no wonder you’re confused.)So when you glance at your aperture and it says F2.8 that may or may not be true depending on the mode dial right? How is that not confusing? If the dial was not marked, then yes, it would not matter. I'm done here because it is pointless to argue over what is, after all, just a preference. Enjoy your PASM dial and leave the "big boy" cameras to us.
But you say you only shoot Shutter priority so you would not have to look anyway? I think you are too much trying to fit the actual controls [shutter speed and aperture which both can be set independently to auto] into a mental model that uses 'modes'
We're talking about Shutter priority, not manual mode. How do you see the current aperture on the aperture ring in S mode? Obviously, all settings are displayed on the screens.Now you mention all Fuji models, I can answer. What you are saying is not true for at least the X-T1 and the X-E3, and I think it is unlikely to be true for other models. If i have set the camera to set Speed manually, I can see the Aperture value in the screens [if set upproperly] and the ring [if a marked ringYour lens ring won’t show you the Aprrture in S mode on any Fuji, your wasting your time. Use your LCD or EVF (no wonder you’re confused.)So when you glance at your aperture and it says F2.8 that may or may not be true depending on the mode dial right? How is that not confusing? If the dial was not marked, then yes, it would not matter. I'm done here because it is pointless to argue over what is, after all, just a preference. Enjoy your PASM dial and leave the "big boy" cameras to us.
No, I said I shoot in Aperture priority. Camera is set to "A" and left there (just like the SS dial is always left on "A" on my X-E2), and I have a top ISO dial, Exposure Comp dial, and an aperture ring on the lens (all my primes have one). I don't understand what you think is missing in this scenario?
Huh? What are you on about?
Same problem, I spin the aperture ring and the aperture doesn't change. How is that any less confusing?
Maybe I am too stupid to get your point. So to avoid further misunderstandings I am stopping here.
At least I'm smart enough to recognize sarcasm aBut if a camera makes you feel like a “big boy” I’m happy for you.
Sal
That's why he's complaining about it - because it's missing PASM and Beyer sensor. By direct/physical controls I mean non-PASM so marked and dedicated. I actually don't mind PASM as long as it's usable though non-PASM on XH1 works for me a bit betterHe owns an XH1, and the X-T100 also has direct controls (metal dials on top).It's not sensor - it's Advent1sam not liking XTrans nor direct controls. If XT100 wouldn't have been released he wouldn't probably have any Fuji camera. While I'm not all positive about physical controls I mostly enjoy them, especially on XH1Is the X-H1 sensor so bad ? Don't you overrate sensors a little bit in the whole chain from putting the lens on the camera, to finally sharing prints or online ? I was thinking that since a few years, there isn't anything more like a terrible sensor.I would take my x-t100 sensor in an x-h1 body so no PASM, I can work with itHowever, I would never of bought the x-t100 if it had the x-h1 sensor!
Sal
Clap clap clap...Huh? What are you on about?
Same problem, I spin the aperture ring and the aperture doesn't change. How is that any less confusing?
Maybe I am too stupid to get your point. So to avoid further misunderstandings I am stopping here.
At least I'm smart enough to recognize sarcasm aBut if a camera makes you feel like a “big boy” I’m happy for you.
Sal
What good is a non-PASM SS dial when in aperture priority mode? The aperture ring is what you need, and it's marked. On the X-T100 you can also dedicate ISO and EC to top dials. There're not marked, but with a screen and the viewfinder showing the settings it's not an issue IMO.That's why he's complaining about it - because it's missing PASM and Beyer sensor. By direct/physical controls I mean non-PASM so marked and dedicated. I actually don't mind PASM as long as it's usable though non-PASM on XH1 works for me a bit betterHe owns an XH1, and the X-T100 also has direct controls (metal dials on top).It's not sensor - it's Advent1sam not liking XTrans nor direct controls. If XT100 wouldn't have been released he wouldn't probably have any Fuji camera. While I'm not all positive about physical controls I mostly enjoy them, especially on XH1Is the X-H1 sensor so bad ? Don't you overrate sensors a little bit in the whole chain from putting the lens on the camera, to finally sharing prints or online ? I was thinking that since a few years, there isn't anything more like a terrible sensor.I would take my x-t100 sensor in an x-h1 body so no PASM, I can work with it
Sal
What are you talking about? What mode are you trying to use?
I was referring to your comment about dial markings.
You brought up the "big boy camera" sarcasm, you seem to have clipped it out here.At least I'm smart enough to recognize sarcasm aBut if a camera makes you feel like a “big boy” I’m happy for you.
Sal
I don't have the XT20 but the XT2. It does take some getting used to, moving the aperture ring and shutter speed dial to get the camera into different modes, but after a while, it becomes second nature. The problem I run into is accidently bumping switches (for example, moving the lens aperture switch from manual control to auto with my finger when holding the lens, particularly on longer telephotos).
Hi Doug,
OK, you convinced me! Two weeks ago I posted that the ISO dial is "stupid" but you changed my mind. I still prefer PASM but will retract the word stupid.PASM is an old, outdated, antiquated interface! (Just kidding)
But seriously, hear me out. PASM came along when film SLRs learned to adjust aperture and shutter electronically. Electronic controls were all in the camera in that day and so, generic control dials and PASM modes came along. But, this all was in the days when you set the ISO once for the next 12/24/36 shots. Now, with digital, ISO is as much of exposure variable as shutter and aperture. But, there is no ISO priority mode on the PASM. So it is outdated! The modes don't really mean what they used to, and most important don't tell you the whole story. You have to go to the menus, or other button+dial to adjust ISO separately. So now PASM is a 2-dial or dial+menu shenanigans anyway. On the other hand fuji, with it's 3 dials, is a streamlined, minimalistic, reimagined (see what I did there?) interface design!
So, surprisingly fuji's retro dials are the most up to date, contemporary, modern exposure interface!
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Well, FWIW, one of the first things I did after acquiring the X-H1 is to disable the touchscreen. Handy for navigating menus, but when your nose starts navigating menus as well (usually not on purpose), then it just gets irritating. I'm sure there are ways to mitigate that issue, but for me at least, the touchscreen was only a touch above useless. The 4-way controller works just fine for me.
Of course there's no ISO priority mode on the PASM dial. ISO is always a priority. If you are in A mode or S mode you simply turn the top ISO dial. The shutter speed (A mode) or aperture (S mode) changes for correct exposure. And you still have the EC top dial to bias exposure. You can also turn to auto ISO presets that are on the ISO dial. You can even set the parameters for each auto ISO preset directly from the ISO dial without having to chase down a menu item.
No, as explained above.
Neither style of changing modes is superior IMO and I have both, it's all about personal preferences.So, surprisingly fuji's retro dials are the most up to date, contemporary, modern exposure interface!
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