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Well, you don't know what they would've charged had they not implemented this.

Or how many more programmers could they have hired to implement other things if they hadn't been losing revenue from piracy?
Scot Perry said:
Oh well some one always misses the point. Basically I'm
facetiously saying after the software is hacked the people with
hacked version will have less headaches than the honest buyers. On
the topic of honesty remember the they always say software piracy
costs consumers money, So where is the savings.
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http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm

Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with years of training and experience in such things.
 
And the full version is $649, which is not out of line with previous versions. (Though I'd buy PS5 on eBay and upgrade before paying $649 if I didn't already have PS.)

I think the full CS suite is $1000, which includes PS, Illustrator, InDesign, and Cue.
DavidP said:
Steven Noyes said:
At $1000, there is not a chance in heck I will buy it. If it was
$500, I might. In the mean time, I will continue to run my
simi-supported TIFFany. But $1000??? I will get a T/S-E lens
first.
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Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with
years of training and experience in such things.
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Copyright theft doesn't require proving financial loss in many cases.

That's the main reason people register their copyrights. They can then get statutory damages.
Scot Perry said:
I'm sure they will
say that's illegal but they would have hard time proving financial
loss because of it in court.
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http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm

Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with years of training and experience in such things.
 
Rick Boden said:
Greg M said:
It will only get more intrusive. At what point will you say NO MORE?
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OK Greg, I just went to the Adobe site and tried the activation
demo. I don't see what the problem is and I don't consider it
intrusive. . If this is a way to help prevent copyright abuse,
great. According to Adobe, you will not be forwarding any
personal information. I don't know what the situation would be if
you change computers but I'm confident they have a reasonable
solution.

There is also a telephone activation.

Rick
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problem is that it is a bother for honest people like us, but pirated versions of it will be distributed anyway without a need for activation. AND a lot of honest people will prefer to get a pirated version. I would even predict that a pirated version will be available before the official version.

I often change part of my machine, mobo, nic, video card. How often will I need to get the thing activated and how often will they activate me ?

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Gaetan J.
 
Stefan Schott wrote:
sign it.
Stefan Schott said:
Getting back to the motorbike example, I can lend this bike to all
my friends and colleagues if I choose so that they may freely use
it however long they want. Software has to be the same way, I pay
for it, I own it, I can do with it whatever I like, regardless of
what some lawmakers, who are bribed by Micro$oft & Co. in one way
or another, think.
And that's all I have to say about that.

Regards
Stefan
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Does that aply to pictures as well? You buy one repro use, then use it for whatever.
On the other hand I will gladly pay Adobe, if they do not rip me off.

I have not checked lately, but I see no reason why if I download it off there site I should be made to pay more in the U.K. than if I was in the U.S of A (excluding the VAT I get back), if they do not want me to rip them off, I do not want to get ripped off by them.

If they insist on charging me more because of location, I will find a cracked version.
Same price I will pay.
Kevin.
 
Scot Perry said:
2 If I decide to sell it I hand key to new owner, you probably
can't transfer ownership with activation.
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That's a very good point I hadn't even thought of. You are entitled to sell the software, provided you remove it from your computer at the same time. Now, the buyer tries to activate it and chances are it won't work. A worst case scenario from that would be he'd report you to the authorities because he suspects you to have sold pirated software. The FBI comes knocking at your door with a search warrant, confiscates your PC and you have all sorts of explaining to do in court (like a year and a half later).

Hmmm... nice prospects....

Ciao
Stefan
 
Greg M said:
It may be no big deal now but at what point will you say no more?
I say no more before it goes to far, how about you?

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Greg M
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Here is a true story for you Greg.

I believe it was last year, but anyway...

I go the the local home renovation place, kind of a small HomeDepot, to buy some screws. The cashier asked me for my phone number,

great, I may be old, have a beer belly (working on that) and ugly but I still got the nack with pretty young women ... :-)

no, it's for the accounting deptartment. So I told her "no way", she then ask me for my name and ZIP. "Why" I ask, she answer that they will get the phone with it (I think she was blonde)

I answer "no way" again (I speak french so some part of the conversation cant be translated, we dont swear the same), the floor boss had to tell her that it was allright and that I did not have to tell her anything.

How long till "I HAVE TO" before I can get some screws ?

By the same line of thought, I look like a croock (mafia type, I may have some italien blood, who nows), did I say I was ugly ? Sorry but I was not present when they drafted the plans for me. I also have long hair and almost always wear black... You know about that profiling thing ? Well, every time I enter the local Canadian Tire store I hear a call on the public adress system and not long after there is a 60 years old lady that come to my side looking to buy a chainsaw or whatever heavy tool "I" may need :-)

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Gaetan J.
 
DavidP said:
Considering that I had just installed XP (and only XP) on the
machine, I seriously doubt they could've gotten any important info
from me.
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spyware :-)
DavidP #28649 said:
Also, there's a very limited amount of data that one can retrieve
with the limited number of digits that the're using for the
activation code.

Exactly what info do you suspect they're getting from you?
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would you like to know the latest Micros0ft "faux pas" ?

When working on many documents in a (or many) microsoft product. Part of the different documents you are working on may be embeded in other documents in metatags or other "a priory" invisble form. So when sending a love letter to your lover you may at the same time send her/him your password list or anual income/budget spreadsheet. AND the same apply when deleting part of documents, they may still be in a form or another in the document.
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Gaetan J.
 
Well actually yes you did miss point, I did not try to justify stealing. I was pointing out how unfairly dishonesty is addressed in society and frankly rewarded. I think we should stop dishonesty at the top to give the proper reinforcement to the young and society in general. As is we are reaping what corruption and dishonesty in politics and business has sewn that is the point and lesson to be learned.

Scot Perry
Rick Boden said:
Rick
Scot Perry said:
Scot Perry
Rick Boden said:
Where's the incentive to be a honest customer.

You shouldn't need an incentive to be honest.

Rick
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Rick Boden said:
Did I miss the point about justifying stealing? No, it still comes
down to whether you are honest or not. You can always buy another
cheaper product.
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Although I hate to see 'holier than thou' threads, ...I just want to cast my one philosophical vote;

Honesty that depends upon it not being 'easier' to be dishonest, is not honesty.

It is dishonesty looking for a rationalization.

Re. our corrupt leadership, both political and financial, ...string 'em up!
But for SURE, ...don't use them as role models! ;-)

Their game is "play the (phony) leader", ...ours should not be "follow the (phony) leader".

Larry
 
True nor do we know how much it will cost vs savings. Life has so many mysteries, and I still prefer a usb dongle easier for me personally.

Scot
DavidP said:
Or how many more programmers could they have hired to implement
other things if they hadn't been losing revenue from piracy?
Scot Perry said:
Oh well some one always misses the point. Basically I'm
facetiously saying after the software is hacked the people with
hacked version will have less headaches than the honest buyers. On
the topic of honesty remember the they always say software piracy
costs consumers money, So where is the savings.
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http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with
years of training and experience in such things.
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Your bike analogy is flawed. A truer version would entail you making perfect copies of your bike, at no cost, and giving them to your friends, which would clearly be wrong.
Stefan Schott said:
Thomas Gardner said:
That is funny though. I'm sorry, you must enter an activation code
before you may drive the vehicle on the road. Press your thumb
print on the red light to the left of the....... :-)
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I see you get my drift. Everybody in their right mind would
consider this a totally ridiculous and annoying policy. But when it
comes to software, out come the smart-@sses (present company
excluded) and holler "Yes, that's good, Adobe/Micro$oft/... need to
be allowed to protect their valuable assets, even if it means
incoveniencing and troubling their paying customers".
Let's all get down on our knees and bow to the heavyweights in the
software business so that we may be allowed to continue throwing
our hard-earned cash at them.
Even the term "EULA" is a euphemism, as it contains the word
"agreement". What kind of "agreement" is this where I have no other
option than to agree to if I want to even use what I paid for? An
agreement per definition has to be negotiated between parties who
both have a say as to what's actually in the agreement before they
sign it.
Getting back to the motorbike example, I can lend this bike to all
my friends and colleagues if I choose so that they may freely use
it however long they want. Software has to be the same way, I pay
for it, I own it, I can do with it whatever I like, regardless of
what some lawmakers, who are bribed by Micro$oft & Co. in one way
or another, think.
And that's all I have to say about that.

Regards
Stefan
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Cheers,

Stuart Rider.
 
The full version of PS CS is $650, and as I already suggested you can buy PS5 on eBay for cheap and purchase the CS upgrade ($169). That's how I got a full version of PS7 for under $300.
Steven Noyes said:
I thought $700 was a bit steep for what you got. And now $1000 is
right out. That and they force you to buy 2 packages that I have
NO USE for what so ever.

Steven

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Greg M said:
Stefan Schott said:
Even the term "EULA" is a euphemism, as it contains the word
"agreement". What kind of "agreement" is this where I have no other
option than to agree to if I want to even use what I paid for? An
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You also don't see that agreement until you open the box. If you
don't accept the agreement you can't get your money back because
you've opened the box. Likewise if you don't activate you loose
your money and the use of the software. That sounds like theft to
me!
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Because of these problems, all these agreements which are not printed on the outside of the box are invalid by default here in germany ...
Peter
 
Greg M said:
They can keep their Microsoftish activation and the PITA that it
causes for me. I'll spend my money somewhere else.
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Sorry but I can't concure with all the whine. I've taken the time to read two different reviews of Photoshop CS.

http://www.imagingrevue.com/open/What_is_new_in_CS.pdf

And this one, posted on DPReview.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/adobephotoshopcs/

This, my opinion, is the processing program to die for. Why? It addresses the issues that I've been struggling with and having to figure out work arounds to.

It addresses CB.

It addresses WB.

It addresses DOF, Guassian Blurr issues.

It addresses highlight/shadow issues.

It addresses blending/pano color mismatch issues.

It addresses viewing/cataloging issues.

It addresses RAW issues.

The list, goes on as to the issues it addresses.

To those that don't have PS program, you're choices are pretty much three fold;

1. Ignore the program and buy several wonderful, better then PS CS, third party programs and deal with learning their interphases (learning curve) as well as seperately deal with each of their seperate upgrade issues. This I'm sure will be lots of fun for those with way too much time on their hands.

2. One can take the time to get a hold of a pirated copy, be a thief and have a nice life. Hey, you saved a few hundred bucks, your family and friends will be proud of you:-)

3. One can buy/aquire an earlier version, at great discount and purchase an upgrade or buy a full retail copy.

The point of the above, you can fuss with the above but the main point, this program, based upon my reading is "da bomb" and well worth any registration hassels that might be incurred. It's a program that most, if not all people will be able to die with unless something incredible changes in the digital world to change the paridyme over the next many years. Between Adobe's newly announced PS CS, Canon's yet to be announed high end sensor bodies and the next generation printers. I'll be able to shut my equipment quests down and worry about photography, exclusively for the next ten or twenty years, or I die.

If a person is worried about purchasing, upgrading and then dealing with frequent computer upgrade problems, give Adobe a call, ask them what you can do.

I'm looking forward to being one of the first to suffer the indignities of upgrading and registering my copy of of PS CS.

Let the whine continue:-)

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If you don't want to believe me, ignore me:-)
 
Because it makes things quite a bit more difficult for legit users but only marginally tougher for pirates.

For legit users it is especially difficult if you update your machine every few months or rebuild (format & reinsatll everything) your hard drive every few months. Since the crackers use a simple key generator (do a google search for software cracks - you can find everthing) they have very little hassle - about the same as typing in the serial numer the old way(in fact less if you can copy and paste). I will buy the software, but may hunt down a crack just to make installation faster and easier.
Thomas Gardner said:
What's the big deal about activating software? They spend the
hundreds of millions (US) to develop the software, so what's so
unreasonable about an activation process? You do lock your
motorcycle, don't you and you'd get really, really ticked if
someone swiped it wouldn't you?

Just an observations:-)

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If you don't want to believe me, ignore me:-)
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There are two good reasons NOT to register software. One, it's stupid corporate policy, and two it's an unreasonable restriction of the users ability to use it.
  1. 1 Corporate stupidity at work. So, if there are a million unlicensed users, and they put in copy protection, how many more paid users will they have? The corporate answer is one million. The real answer is that they lose users. That's because most of those million users are casual user who aren't about to buy PS, so they'll go to a cheaper program like Picture Window or Paint Shop pro. Now, some of those users would have eventually brought PS, or recommended it, or ask work to buy it, but now they won't. Lets face it. Any individual whose using PS for business or professional work is probably going to buy it. It's a trivial cost of doing business, and well worth it. Any individual using it to process a few home pictures probably won't pay (and that doesn't mean he's going to go for a dumbed down version either). It's not a bad thing to have a million underground users feeding the market demand for a product.
It's a lot like the RIAA. Their main purpose seems to be to drive listeners away from music. Music survives by being spread through popular demand. Why would you want to buy an album if you've never heard of the group or their music? With radio being dead people are finding another way to spread the buzz. If you manage to totally crack down on all copying and playback (can't play that at home if you have unlicensed "listeners") you've just shot yourself dead.

You can't ask for better free advertizing than a widespread underground market.
  1. 2 Unreasonable restrictions drive away buyers. I once brought a file recovery, unerase type utility. The author worked very hard to make sure it installed and locked onto one computer, and only one computer - and didn't tell you this in advance. You could not uninstall it and put in on another machine. Now, how often do you have to do major file recovery? Once every few years? And if happens on your lap top instead of your desktop you couldn't use his program because you installed in on the desktop? Like buying a hammer that only worked on one nail.
Right now I'm having major computer problems. I've replaced two hard drives, reinstalled windows, and have some weird problems that I can't explain (in Photoshop and elsewhere). Now, how do I troubleshoot this without the freedom to swap hardware and reinstall software? My life is difficult enough without activation codes. Imagine if ALL your software had activation codes as well as serial numbers. I probably have 30 pieces of (legitimate) aftermarket software on my computer alone. I have a special file that has all the serial codes, passwords, activation tricks, etc.,etc. Just re-installing Windows and getting all the software up and running takes days. If I have to call on each piece of software I'd think I'd shoot myself first.
 
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