No more PS versions for me

[Scot Perry]

They do a hardware analysis of machine and create a id for machine. That is how they will identify machine the problem is if you make hardware changes it may decide it is new machine poof PS stops working.

Scot Perry

I have a big deal for you...I have a dedicated Photoshop system
that I built myself...it does not have a modem nor a NIC card...How
the heck am I supposed to install that machine...I cannot activae
on the phone or internet and PC does not have a MAC address, which
is what most software companies use to identify a PC...kinda like a
fingerprint...There is absolutely no SN# or any type of numbers to
distinguish my PC from any other one...

Carlos

I've been advocating this sort of protection for 15 years now.
I'm sorry, every company I have worked for in the last 12 years
have all used unlicensed OS and Office software. I'm not kidding.
It would be nice to be able to take that office copy of ps and
practice on it at home. The software publishers need to protect
themselves. It's only fair.

Software publishers are only going back to how things were in the
early 80's Following the high rate of failures of 30MB hard
drives on early IBM AT's pressure mounted on publishers to remove
protection and there followed a trend where large publishers began
publishing software without protection, bowing to corporate
pressure. Now that reliability is all but assured and realizes the
massive losses these same publishers have had due to piracy, casual
copying and the like, it's understandable for publisher's to
attempt to reassert their rights in this regard. Photoshop CS
represents a great value for money and I just don't see the sense
in claiming that some will abandon the product because of the
activation procedure.

I've read the Adobe faq on this procedure and don't find a problem
with it at all. Photoshop is one product worth paying for. Heh,
thank your lucky stars it's not Quark Xpress, who have never had
upgrades as cheap as what is paid for Abobe products.

Ian

 

[Scot Perry]

The funny thing is that's free advertising for Adobe and most of those people would never BUY Photoshop so they don't really achieve anything butannoying some of there honest customers.

Scot Perry

 

[Greg M]

They do a hardware analysis of machine and create a id for machine.
That is how they will identify machine the problem is if you make
hardware changes it may decide it is new machine poof PS stops
working.

True but I always do a fresh install after I change my computers which is often. When I do that I will have to call and ask for permision to use the software that I bought or I'll have to do a fresh install every 30 days.

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[Stefan Schott]

That is funny though. I'm sorry, you must enter an activation code
before you may drive the vehicle on the road. Press your thumb
print on the red light to the left of the.......

I see you get my drift. Everybody in their right mind would consider this a totally ridiculous and annoying policy. But when it comes to software, out come the smart-@sses (present company excluded) and holler "Yes, that's good, Adobe/Micro$oft/... need to be allowed to protect their valuable assets, even if it means incoveniencing and troubling their paying customers".

Let's all get down on our knees and bow to the heavyweights in the software business so that we may be allowed to continue throwing our hard-earned cash at them.

Even the term "EULA" is a euphemism, as it contains the word "agreement". What kind of "agreement" is this where I have no other option than to agree to if I want to even use what I paid for? An agreement per definition has to be negotiated between parties who both have a say as to what's actually in the agreement before they sign it.

Getting back to the motorbike example, I can lend this bike to all my friends and colleagues if I choose so that they may freely use it however long they want. Software has to be the same way, I pay for it, I own it, I can do with it whatever I like, regardless of what some lawmakers, who are bribed by Micro$oft & Co. in one way or another, think.
And that's all I have to say about that.

Regards
Stefan

 

[Greg M]

Even the term "EULA" is a euphemism, as it contains the word
"agreement". What kind of "agreement" is this where I have no other
option than to agree to if I want to even use what I paid for? An

You also don't see that agreement until you open the box. If you don't accept the agreement you can't get your money back because you've opened the box. Likewise if you don't activate you loose your money and the use of the software. That sounds like theft to me!

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[Stefan Schott]

Adobe claims they lose $700 million each year due to piracy,

That's OK with me. They still earn gazillions at the same time.

Regards
Stefan

 

[Scot Perry]

Many will disagree with me but I'd rather they hardware key the software than do the PITA activation. But a key would be a PITA to them so they use activation. I look forward to someone hacking it. Than I could BUY it and use hack to run it lol. I'm sure they will say that's illegal but they would have hard time proving financial loss because of it in court.

1 With a key I can move to any machine I want and plug in and use it.

2 If I decide to sell it I hand key to new owner, you probably can't transfer ownership with activation.

3 Key unaffected by computer upgrades I'm constantly upgrading and moving hardware from one computer to the next.

But I would prefer they just not do it. After all there making money with the theoretical loss and there NOT advertising how much cheaper PS is going to be now that they will stop pirating LOL.

The reality is many who casually copy it would never buy it! In fact it has been said that the casual copying is free advertising and gains future customers. After all they always say there doing this for us. So where's our savings? Seems when people steal it it costs honest customers and even if they can't it costs honest customers. Where's the incentive to be a honest customer.

Scot Perry

 

[Scot Perry]

Exactly my point and how many times are they going to tolerate you doing that. And it's a pain in the ass to get a machine going again after a rebuild and this will be one more annoyance.

Scot Perry

They do a hardware analysis of machine and create a id for machine.
That is how they will identify machine the problem is if you make
hardware changes it may decide it is new machine poof PS stops
working.

True but I always do a fresh install after I change my computers
which is often. When I do that I will have to call and ask for
permision to use the software that I bought or I'll have to do a
fresh install every 30 days.

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Greg M
http://www.mocanu.com/gallery/index.php
http://dslr.mocanu.com

 

[Rick Boden]

Where's the incentive to be a honest customer.

You shouldn't need an incentive to be honest.

Rick

 

[Cliff Chase]

I incrementally upgrade constantly. As a result I'm often reinstalling the OS. If I have to call Adobe every time then I'll pass. I'd really like to upgrade to CS but the Activation thing really irks me.

I understand the software piracy problem, but this Activation scheme is a poor solution. With all the technology available there has to be a better solution. The problem is that they're locking the installation to the hardware, not the buyer. I'd even rather have a dongle. USB ports are ubiquitous these days, how about a USB dongle?

CC

 

[Greg M]

I see his point. It is tempting to be dishonest because it is much easier then trying to be honest. Honesty has to come from a strong moral presence within you. These policies work against that and I think that was his point.

Where's the incentive to be a honest customer.

You shouldn't need an incentive to be honest.

Rick

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[Barry Anderson]

Even the term "EULA" is a euphemism, as it contains the word
"agreement". What kind of "agreement" is this where I have no other
option than to agree to if I want to even use what I paid for? An

You also don't see that agreement until you open the box. If you
don't accept the agreement you can't get your money back because
you've opened the box. Likewise if you don't activate you loose
your money and the use of the software. That sounds like theft to
me!

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http://dslr.mocanu.com

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Barry in Frederick, Md.

 

[Thomas Gardner]

Considering that I had just installed XP (and only XP) on the
machine, I seriously doubt they could've gotten any important info
from me.

Also, there's a very limited amount of data that one can retrieve
with the limited number of digits that the're using for the
activation code.

Exactly what info do you suspect they're getting from you?

The usual information. How much ammo do you buy in a year. The political party of affilliation. How many times did you go to a religious event in the last six months. What's your sexual preference. Do you call your mother on weekends. When was the last time you avoided a speed trap. Odometer reading; that's a monthly input Weekly website surfings outside of DPReivew. What political talking heads do you listen to; Bill Maher or Hannity and Colmes. What do you whine about in private.

The usual unimportant stuff

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[Ken Phillips]

... a serial number that ID's your computer. In fact, probably more than one. Which do they use? I don't know ...
Ken

You see, my PC does not have a MAC address, which is what most
software companies use to identify a PC...kinda like a
fingerprint...There is absolutely no SN# or any type of numbers to
distinguish my PC from any other one...

Carlos

For me it's a huge deal...I have a dedicated Photoshop system that
I built myself...it does not have a modem nor a NIC card...How the
heck am I supposed to upgrade that machine...I will not install
either one...Adobe has to have a solution for that...if not...I
will hunt down the krack on the net and I will use it...

Bet they'll have an activation code they can give you over the
phone. I'm sure a company with as many smart people as Adobe, has
already had this discussion, many times.

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[Scot Perry]

Oh well some one always misses the point. Basically I'm facetiously saying after the software is hacked the people with hacked version will have less headaches than the honest buyers. On the topic of honesty remember the they always say software piracy costs consumers money, So where is the savings. Also on the point of honesty I have been fairly honest all my life and I have the low bank account to prove it. Mean while presidents lie corporate leaders lie etc etc and get filthy rich but seldom are forced to really pay for it, maybe slap on hands for being caught. In America it seems honesty is not the best policy if we look to our leaders as examples. But I was raised honest so condemed to it. No future in politics or big business for me.

Scot Perry

Where's the incentive to be a honest customer.

You shouldn't need an incentive to be honest.

Rick

 

[Scot Perry]

Well if we want to indulge in conspiracy theories. They could probably get a user number to cross reference with the people that watch your web browsing thru the banner ads. Now they can produce an interesting profile on you with a name and address to go with it

Scot Perry

 

[Steven Noyes]

At $1000, there is not a chance in heck I will buy it. If it was $500, I might. In the mean time, I will continue to run my simi-supported TIFFany. But $1000??? I will get a T/S-E lens first.

Steven

Riiiiiiiight

How much is TurboTax again? LOL

With the lowered cost no one will complain about activation.

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[Rick Boden]

Did I miss the point about justifying stealing? No, it still comes down to whether you are honest or not. You can always buy another cheaper product.

Rick

Scot Perry

Where's the incentive to be a honest customer.

You shouldn't need an incentive to be honest.

Rick

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[DavidP #28649]

The max I'm paying is the $169 for the upgrade.

At $1000, there is not a chance in heck I will buy it. If it was
$500, I might. In the mean time, I will continue to run my
simi-supported TIFFany. But $1000??? I will get a T/S-E lens
first.

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[Paul Stout]

XP uses a hardware code that is based on the motherboard, bios, CPU, video board, hard drive(s), and CD / DVD rom drive model numbers. I believe that it lets you change any two of those items before it thinks it is installed on a different computer.

I suspect that Adobe will use something similar.

... a serial number that ID's your computer. In fact, probably more
than one. Which do they use? I don't know ...
Ken

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legalize UPDOC!