Greg M
Senior Member
It may be no big deal now but at what point will you say no more? I say no more before it goes to far, how about you?
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Greg M
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http://dslr.mocanu.com
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No more PS versions for me
- Thread starter Greg M
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Greg M
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denisb178489
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William Icquatu Jr.
Well-known member
They can keep their Microsoftish activation and the PITA that it
causes for me. I'll spend my money somewhere else.
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Greg M
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http://dslr.mocanu.com
DavidP #28649
Forum Pro
--They can keep their Microsoftish activation and the PITA that it
causes for me. I'll spend my money somewhere else.
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Greg M
http://www.mocanu.com/gallery/index.php
http://dslr.mocanu.com
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with years of training and experience in such things.
Mike Orth
Well-known member
Software piracy is a huge problem. Many "Boot-legged" copies come from a legal copy at some point and that's one of the reasons activation is getting more popular with software companies. Depending on how the activation code is set up, machines don't need nic cards or modems to generate the key that is used for activation. It's usually based off the serial number on the mother board and other general system parameters that are available in the system's BIOS. Having a network connection just makes it easier to get the key to the vendor.
We, as photographers, get all bent out of shape when we find that someone is using and/or selling one of our images without our permission and proper compensation. Sometimes, we put copyright text through images on our websites as well as low res versions of the files to make them less appealing to steal. Those who shoot film, might not give a client the negatives from an event unless that was agreed upon in the contract and usually at a higher price since the photog will most likely loose the revenue that more print orders would have generated. Why should a software company tolerate it any more than we do?
I don't like this activation stuff much either, it's especially annoying if you change pc's on a regular basis. However, the current key system just doesn't work all that well, so companies are looking for more effective ways to make sure they are getting paid for what is being used. For now, the trend is software activtion, who knows what will be used in the future...Like others have mentioned, I'm sure a crack will be available shortly after CS hits the streets.
Mike
We, as photographers, get all bent out of shape when we find that someone is using and/or selling one of our images without our permission and proper compensation. Sometimes, we put copyright text through images on our websites as well as low res versions of the files to make them less appealing to steal. Those who shoot film, might not give a client the negatives from an event unless that was agreed upon in the contract and usually at a higher price since the photog will most likely loose the revenue that more print orders would have generated. Why should a software company tolerate it any more than we do?
I don't like this activation stuff much either, it's especially annoying if you change pc's on a regular basis. However, the current key system just doesn't work all that well, so companies are looking for more effective ways to make sure they are getting paid for what is being used. For now, the trend is software activtion, who knows what will be used in the future...Like others have mentioned, I'm sure a crack will be available shortly after CS hits the streets.
Mike
The first time. Go to activate it on a new machine and it willSorry, for the few minutes it will take to activate, I'm going to
go for it.
take a phone call. Who knows how long that will take.
I also understand that is a problem but they should go after them.I have no problem with vendors protecting their IP. I live in a
region where you can buy PS7 for about $6 (it may or may not work
of course) which is why Adobe has to do this sort of thing.
This activation cr@p is a PITA for legal users. It's a company
that is looking for an easy way to deal with thiefs by intruding on
our privicy, and yes it is. They require that you let them gather
information from your home to verify who is using the software and
if that information changes then you have to call them to ask for
permission to continue to use it. These big companies are getting
out of hand. They should go after the thiefs and leave the legal
users alone. What they are doing is calling all of us thiefs
unless we let them check up on us.
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Greg M
http://www.mocanu.com/gallery/index.php
http://dslr.mocanu.com
Derekasaurus Rex
Senior Member
It's a minor inconvenience, IMO. Photoshop is a wonderful program and I see no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water. Adobe claims they lose $700 million each year due to piracy, and if this activation saves even a fraction of that and allows it to be spent on future software improvements, I see no reason to complain.
They can keep their Microsoftish activation and the PITA that it
causes for me. I'll spend my money somewhere else.
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Greg M
http://www.mocanu.com/gallery/index.php
http://dslr.mocanu.com
Marc Pawliger
Member
Activation works via the net, or phone automated response system, or phone customer support. We tested with hundreds of testers and had tested it in the Australian market with Photoshop 7, all with no major problems. For the vast majority of users, activation is hands off, done over the net during install. A few users without ready net access used the automated phone response system, and fewer yet called customer support.Usually, it is a challenge response type system. The program pops
up a dialog with a very long number that uniquely identifies your
system. You then call a 1-800 number and type the thing on your
screen into the phone. It reads back another long number and you
type that into your computer. It activates. The whole thing is
usually automated. (And the user experience is usually completely
horrible. Partially 'cause almost noone int he U.S. market uses it
anyway.)
The primary goal of activation is not to inconvenience users while enforcing the terms of the EULA, and from all accounts that goal has been met. We expect that to continue as Photoshop CS appears in the market.
--marc
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John Mason
Guest
Since they are going to make 700 million more with activation the simple solution is that will make everyone happy is:
Take 3/4 that increase in revenue and divide by the expected number of buyers and lower the price of photoshop CS. This way they'll make 175 million more dollars bonus profit and cover their costs of activation (phone support - reissues of activation - etc).
Then they can cut the cost of photoshop by 1/2 or more and they will sell a ton more copies.
With the lowered cost no one will complain about activation.
That's what the should do.
But, when Microsoft did it, they did not lower their selling costs at all. And this, when we are always told that the prices for software are high because of the piracy issue.
Come on Adobe, do the right thing, pass most of that savings on and become the image software the masses will use.
Take 3/4 that increase in revenue and divide by the expected number of buyers and lower the price of photoshop CS. This way they'll make 175 million more dollars bonus profit and cover their costs of activation (phone support - reissues of activation - etc).
Then they can cut the cost of photoshop by 1/2 or more and they will sell a ton more copies.
With the lowered cost no one will complain about activation.
That's what the should do.
But, when Microsoft did it, they did not lower their selling costs at all. And this, when we are always told that the prices for software are high because of the piracy issue.
Come on Adobe, do the right thing, pass most of that savings on and become the image software the masses will use.
nick_eos168552
Leading Member
There are many people with legit copys fo windows XP who have applied patches to remove activation because they dont want gates to get any info from them.
http://www.pbase.com/nick_eos/
--They can keep their Microsoftish activation and the PITA that it
causes for me. I'll spend my money somewhere else.
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Greg M
http://www.mocanu.com/gallery/index.php
http://dslr.mocanu.com
http://www.pbase.com/nick_eos/
nick_eos168552
Leading Member
Honest people will allways buy there software, dishonest will never buy it. It just shows software companys dont have a clue about there market place. They think all the hacker / pirate kids are suddenly going to hand over 100's of $ because they have to activate the software, i think not!!
No security/dongle added to software has ever stoped these idiots from doing what they want. In fact making the security harder just gives there twisted egos more determintation to defeat it.
http://www.pbase.com/nick_eos/
No security/dongle added to software has ever stoped these idiots from doing what they want. In fact making the security harder just gives there twisted egos more determintation to defeat it.
--Since they are going to make 700 million more with activation the
simple solution is that will make everyone happy is:
Take 3/4 that increase in revenue and divide by the expected number
of buyers and lower the price of photoshop CS. This way they'll
make 175 million more dollars bonus profit and cover their costs of
activation (phone support - reissues of activation - etc).
Then they can cut the cost of photoshop by 1/2 or more and they
will sell a ton more copies.
With the lowered cost no one will complain about activation.
That's what the should do.
But, when Microsoft did it, they did not lower their selling costs
at all. And this, when we are always told that the prices for
software are high because of the piracy issue.
Come on Adobe, do the right thing, pass most of that savings on and
become the image software the masses will use.
http://www.pbase.com/nick_eos/
And what if they deny the activation. They have the right to do that.If I have to make a phone
call a year down the road I won't be too upset about it.
I do upgrade/change my hardware once every few months.. a new harddrive... a new keyboard......new network card.... a new processor etc.
Almost every time I install new hardware I also reinstall my Windows XP. I already had to call Microsoft several times to explain to them why I feeled the urge to install new hardware.
I purchased a legal version of XP and I have to call/beg them to please activate my Windows. It sucks.
I have given up activating Windows. I know use a crack with my legal!! Windows XP. I guess I'll do the same when the first Photoshop CS crack is available. (offcourse I will purchase a full version of photoshop CS).
Peter
Guy
--Guy
The first time. Go to activate it on a new machine and it willSorry, for the few minutes it will take to activate, I'm going to
go for it.
take a phone call. Who knows how long that will take.
I also understand that is a problem but they should go after them.I have no problem with vendors protecting their IP. I live in a
region where you can buy PS7 for about $6 (it may or may not work
of course) which is why Adobe has to do this sort of thing.
This activation cr@p is a PITA for legal users. It's a company
that is looking for an easy way to deal with thiefs by intruding on
our privicy, and yes it is. They require that you let them gather
information from your home to verify who is using the software and
if that information changes then you have to call them to ask for
permission to continue to use it. These big companies are getting
out of hand. They should go after the thiefs and leave the legal
users alone. What they are doing is calling all of us thiefs
unless we let them check up on us.
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Greg M
http://www.mocanu.com/gallery/index.php
http://dslr.mocanu.com
Greg M
http://www.mocanu.com/gallery/index.php
http://dslr.mocanu.com
DavidP #28649
Forum Pro
ROFLMAO
Riiiiiiiight
How much is TurboTax again? LOL
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with years of training and experience in such things.
Riiiiiiiight
How much is TurboTax again? LOL
--With the lowered cost no one will complain about activation.
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with years of training and experience in such things.
DavidP #28649
Forum Pro
Just curious. Did they ever refuse to give you activation?
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with years of training and experience in such things.
. .. . . .And what if they deny the activation. They have the right to do that.
--Almost every time I install new hardware I also reinstall my
Windows XP. I already had to call Microsoft several times to
explain to them why I feeled the urge to install new hardware.
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with years of training and experience in such things.
DavidP #28649
Forum Pro
Hmmm, I called MS to activate XP.
I wonder what info they got out of all those numbers I punched in on the phone? LOL
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with years of training and experience in such things.
I wonder what info they got out of all those numbers I punched in on the phone? LOL
--There are many people with legit copys fo windows XP who have
applied patches to remove activation because they dont want gates
to get any info from them.
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with years of training and experience in such things.
No.
But the last time they gave me a hard time. They wanted to know exactly what I changed. It gave me a very unpleasant feeling.
Peter.
But the last time they gave me a hard time. They wanted to know exactly what I changed. It gave me a very unpleasant feeling.
Peter.
. .. . . .And what if they deny the activation. They have the right to do that.
--Almost every time I install new hardware I also reinstall my
Windows XP. I already had to call Microsoft several times to
explain to them why I feeled the urge to install new hardware.
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with
years of training and experience in such things.
I should add that I have also installed and activated XP on several VMWare virtual machines for test purposes.
Peter.
Peter.
But the last time they gave me a hard time. They wanted to know
exactly what I changed. It gave me a very unpleasant feeling.
Peter.
. .. . . .And what if they deny the activation. They have the right to do that.
--Almost every time I install new hardware I also reinstall my
Windows XP. I already had to call Microsoft several times to
explain to them why I feeled the urge to install new hardware.
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with
years of training and experience in such things.
Greg M
Senior Member
You don't know. Any information that is stored on your computer could have been sent. Too many posts in this thread contain Adobe statements that people just take as if they are true and don't question them. Here are two:Hmmm, I called MS to activate XP.
I wonder what info they got out of all those numbers I punched in
on the phone? LOL
Adobe looses 700 million a year to piracy. You can bet that this is inflated. I'd bet that many of those estimated pirated copies are being used by people that wouldn't use it if they had to by it. What I mean is that if Adobe were able to end piracy then sales will not increase by that figure. It will increase because there are many companies that use a legal copy many times but 700 million a year is a bit much.
Adobe doesn't collect any personal information. How do you know this? Actually any information that indentifies you is personal information. What's to stop them from changing that in the future?
I'm not for piracy but I'm also against this activation practice. One day I may not be able to avoid it but I'm going to try my best to avoid it.
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Greg M
http://www.mocanu.com/gallery/index.php
http://dslr.mocanu.com
DavidP #28649
Forum Pro
Considering that I had just installed XP (and only XP) on the machine, I seriously doubt they could've gotten any important info from me.
Also, there's a very limited amount of data that one can retrieve with the limited number of digits that the're using for the activation code.
Exactly what info do you suspect they're getting from you?
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with years of training and experience in such things.
Also, there's a very limited amount of data that one can retrieve with the limited number of digits that the're using for the activation code.
Exactly what info do you suspect they're getting from you?
--You don't know. Any information that is stored on your computer
could have been sent. Too many posts in this thread contain Adobe
statements that people just take as if they are true and don't
question them. Here are two:
Adobe looses 700 million a year to piracy. You can bet that this
is inflated. I'd bet that many of those estimated pirated copies
are being used by people that wouldn't use it if they had to by it.
What I mean is that if Adobe were able to end piracy then sales
will not increase by that figure. It will increase because there
are many companies that use a legal copy many times but 700 million
a year is a bit much.
Adobe doesn't collect any personal information. How do you know
this? Actually any information that indentifies you is personal
information. What's to stop them from changing that in the future?
I'm not for piracy but I'm also against this activation practice.
One day I may not be able to avoid it but I'm going to try my best
to avoid it.
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with years of training and experience in such things.
tony b35095
Forum Enthusiast
This is VERY Upseting... I'm constantly changing, and upgrading the hardware in my machine. It was mentioned above that the software uses a Nic to id a system... that is only ONE way, if you change a Motherboard, CPU, or any other Number of hardware items, the software will no longer work... Now you will have to CALL AND EXPLAIN YOURSELF... You bad little boy...They can keep their Microsoftish activation and the PITA that it
causes for me. I'll spend my money somewhere else.
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Greg M
http://www.mocanu.com/gallery/index.php
http://dslr.mocanu.com
Their site keeps a records of you machine... With no personally identifiable information (Supposedly), And If you change anything, you have to explain yourself... The software inside keeps a record too. So like the gentleman above without a Nic, or Internet connection changes his machine enough, it won't work anymore, and he will have to call again...
How about a Fresh install of the O.S.... I do this a lot too... Call again! and be put on the spot... Made to feel dishonest by a phone answerer... (maybe)
This is a hassle, and an intrusion... I'll Stick with P.S. 7... This is why I WILL NOT Install M.S. XP on my system... I will only run Windows 2000 Pro...
Besides no activation, it's faster, and more stable, and more Secure...
Regretfully,
Tony B.
Greg M
Senior Member
You're missing the point. It's what they could do. This activation is just the begining. It's just opening the door so to speak. When you leave your home you lock the door to try to keep thiefs out. If you don't then you are making it easier for someone to steal from you. That doesn't mean that they will but why leave the door unlocked? This activation is like unlocking the door. It is the begining of letting the software companies have unlimited access to your computer.
It starts here. When activation doesn't stamp out piracy then they will justify being more intrusive. Eventually they will demand unlimited access to your computer to ensure that you are not stealing their software. It will also make it easier for others to exploit the holes in security that the process will open.
In the US we are suppose to be inocent until proven guilty. A search warrent isn't issued unless there is evidence that one is needed. Why are the software companies allowed to treat us as if we are all thieves and they are trying to keep us honest?
At what point will you say that's enough? You need to make that decision otherwise you will be caught off guard. My decision is that I will fight manditory activation. I may loose and end up having to use activation software but I won't do it without a fight.
I gave Adobe feedback about this and I see that someone from Adobe has read this thread so at least they know were I stand. BTW, a list of numbers can contain a whole lot of information using the right code.
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Greg M
http://www.mocanu.com/gallery/index.php
http://dslr.mocanu.com
It starts here. When activation doesn't stamp out piracy then they will justify being more intrusive. Eventually they will demand unlimited access to your computer to ensure that you are not stealing their software. It will also make it easier for others to exploit the holes in security that the process will open.
In the US we are suppose to be inocent until proven guilty. A search warrent isn't issued unless there is evidence that one is needed. Why are the software companies allowed to treat us as if we are all thieves and they are trying to keep us honest?
At what point will you say that's enough? You need to make that decision otherwise you will be caught off guard. My decision is that I will fight manditory activation. I may loose and end up having to use activation software but I won't do it without a fight.
I gave Adobe feedback about this and I see that someone from Adobe has read this thread so at least they know were I stand. BTW, a list of numbers can contain a whole lot of information using the right code.
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Greg M
http://www.mocanu.com/gallery/index.php
http://dslr.mocanu.com
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