Amazing what this forum can conclude from one out of context sentence/request.
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Because a commercial captain is exactly the same as a second shooter at a wedding.
You know she has to be a second shooter before she can practice medicine on her own, right?Any person with a passion will become anything they wont, my 16 yo daughter still has 2 years left at high school and is planning a double degree in Medicine and teaching and as i have told her if she want's to succeed in medicine she must have a passion for it not just study it. she did top biology last year and enjoys it so only time will tell. second shooter LOL learn by your self ,if your going to be good at photography go take photos and study the art. theirs no short cuts , build a portfolio of your own and make your own mistakes and be responsible for them. no ones life is at risk, mind you some photographers have a different opinion
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So...
Are you going tell your daughter "medical intern. LOL learn by yourself" ?
Or does your insecure arrogance not include ridiculing your supposed med student?
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I know right! I've just read through the whole thread - classic DPR, filled with judgements and whinges about younger generations and bickering about spelling.
The person in the ad quoted by Sailor Don says nothing about the type of business or their experience, but that is enough for some people to start running off with their dismissive judgements. Confused Circle has the person fully characterised as lazy, disorganised, irresponsible, incompetent and unrealistic to the point of being delusional. Brilliant stuff!
For all we know, the would-be wedding photographer may be a person of the calibre of Sailor Don and his daughter - that would surely make them a force to be reckoned with!
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So did he establish a business first? I'm guessing not.I have a great nephew who is now a licensed electrician. Guess how he started.I tend to agree with the tone of the thread. It's like saying, hey I just started a plumbing business but I'd like to find an experienced plumber to follow around so I can learn how to install a new faucet. Seems like photography is one of the only trades where one thinks buying a fancy camera will give them instant access to making big bucks.Do all photographers make fun of new photographers or is it just DPR posters?
Yup, following around a licensed electrician until he had the knowledge/met requirements in his state to get his license.
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I'm not a pro photographer so I have nothing to be insecure about. Just seemed backwards to me to establish a business first before learning how it's done.It's common here. The old, insecure members tend to do this.Do all photographers make fun of new photographers or is it just DPR posters?
Thankfully, as they age, their arrogance will die off with them.
Exactly. You think this is bad - you should have seen the egomaniac sports photographers degrade people on Sportsshooter.com. I was a member there for several years when I was a sports photographer. They were an even bigger "get of my lawn" crowd than the wedding photogs here. Now, of course, that website is pretty insignificant and a whole slew of sports photographers are out of jobs.It's common here. The old, insecure members tend to do this.Do all photographers make fun of new photographers or is it just DPR posters?
Thankfully, as they age, their arrogance will die off with them.
How is this relevant? Because wedding photography is going the same route. A good friend in his 40s just got married - they had a lovely small wedding - phtographed by a friend with a smartphone. Are the photos high quality? No. Does the couple care? No. They chose to spend money on other things. Of the 4 or 5 weddings I've been to in the last 3 years or so - every photographer is the part time variety. I'm not saying there aren't people still willing to hire established, full time professional wedding photographers. There are. But, there's a significant amount of people that just don't value the product/service at the price those full time professionals have to charge. So, the $500 part-timer is good enough.
So, yes, the person who started their business will probably not be in business in 5 years (realizing it's too much work for too little money) - but if they're good enough, people will hire them and be happy. And there will be another 3 people to take their place. It's just the way of things now - there's a much bigger supply of people that can take "good enough" photos. Just like sports photojournalism.
The OP stated the person started a business and wants to learn weddings. That's all we know. They might just want to expand their business to include photography.So did he establish a business first? I'm guessing not.I have a great nephew who is now a licensed electrician. Guess how he started.I tend to agree with the tone of the thread. It's like saying, hey I just started a plumbing business but I'd like to find an experienced plumber to follow around so I can learn how to install a new faucet. Seems like photography is one of the only trades where one thinks buying a fancy camera will give them instant access to making big bucks.Do all photographers make fun of new photographers or is it just DPR posters?
Yup, following around a licensed electrician until he had the knowledge/met requirements in his state to get his license.
I started a service business (not photography related) 29 years ago.
About 20 years ago a customer knew I was a computer geek and asked if I knew anything about websites as they wanted to set up a website.
Nope, I didn't know a thing about websites but give me a week to set something up. I learned everything I could in that week and had a website up and running at the end of the week. They were happy and paid me, still pay me about 3,500 bucks a year for that site.
Same thing with event photography, had a customer who knew I enjoyed taking photos and asked me if I'd shoot their big company 2 day event. Sure, 20 years later I'm still doing it along with events for other people and various other types of photography for customers of my main business. Didn't have a clue how to shoot an event that big.
In my main business I get all kinds of requests for jobs I have no idea how to do. When times were tough I said yes to every one of them and figured it out. I have never failed. Many times I would tell my wife I took on a new job and she would ask do I know how to do it? Nope, but we're going to learn and make some money.
Point is, everyone starts somewhere and I don't get all the hate for the simple request in the OP.
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I'd say it's also backwards to assume you know anything about the person then criticize them for things you made up.I'm not a pro photographer so I have nothing to be insecure about. Just seemed backwards to me to establish a business first before learning how it's done.It's common here. The old, insecure members tend to do this.Do all photographers make fun of new photographers or is it just DPR posters?
Thankfully, as they age, their arrogance will die off with them.
What kind of business did he start?
Nowhere did he say he started a wedding photography business.
I and others have already pointed this out. In fact I think it was your silly plumbing analogy that I corrected
Of course, you can choose to ignore that and pretend to know this person instead.
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Do you have an English language use youtube channel? You should.
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Nothing wrong with being a new photographer.Do all photographers make fun of new photographers or is it just DPR posters?
Everything wrong with starting a business selling services you have no experience providing.
She should learn to shoot and then start the business later. What she's doing now is damn near fraud. Would you pay someone who's never used a camera to be the lead shooter at your wedding?
Do you have a source for that statement?Nothing wrong with being a new photographer.Do all photographers make fun of new photographers or is it just DPR posters?
Everything wrong with starting a business selling services you have no experience providing.
She should learn to shoot and then start the business later. What she's doing now is damn near fraud. Would you pay someone who's never used a camera to be the lead shooter at your wedding?
Where did you get the information that the person was selling services they have experience with?
Does the person have a website or something advertising wedding photography?
How do you know the person in question is advertising being lead shooter at weddings and how do you know they never used a camera?
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What kind of photography business did she start?Nothing wrong with being a new photographer.Do all photographers make fun of new photographers or is it just DPR posters?
Everything wrong with starting a business selling services you have no experience providing.
Any clue?
So if she has a portrait business, she should close down until she is a wedding pro?
You're assuming you know what business she started then accusing her of fraud. Lol...
Why do people make things up then insult others based on those things? It's crazy.
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Exactly.Do you have a source for that statement?Nothing wrong with being a new photographer.Do all photographers make fun of new photographers or is it just DPR posters?
Everything wrong with starting a business selling services you have no experience providing.
She should learn to shoot and then start the business later. What she's doing now is damn near fraud. Would you pay someone who's never used a camera to be the lead shooter at your wedding?
Where did you get the information that the person was selling services they have experience with?
Does the person have a website or something advertising wedding photography?
How do you know the person in question is advertising being lead shooter at weddings and how do you know they never used a camera?
Seems this rampant insecurity causes these people to completely make up "facts" then get angry over them.
Must make them better photographers.
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Haha Don, you're a fun guy and it's been fun to read the responses of the touchy. You do have a way of getting them out of the woodwork. How obtuse must people be not to spot someone is calling themselves a professional without such basic experience in the profession? Maybe you have disturbed a nest of wannabees
Who's touchy?Haha Don, you're a fun guy and it's been fun to read the responses of the touchy. You do have a way of getting them out of the woodwork. How obtuse must people be not to spot someone is calling themselves a professional without such basic experience in the profession? Maybe you have disturbed a nest of wannabees
Do you have a source showing where the person in question represented themselves as a professional? Do you have a source showing they have no experience in the profession?
I am not a wannabe, I'm just curious how you gathered all that information from a single sentence.
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I do not see the humor.