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I don't really see a problem with that. At least this person doesn't have a shingle out offering wedding photography not ever having been a second shooter first. Generally to do anything really well takes some amount of experience, but how do you get that experience? Seems like being a second shooter would be the obvious way for wedding photography. If the thing is structured so that the 2nd shooter is doing the less challenging shots, if that person is a pretty good photographer already and if they're a pretty quick learner, it could work out very well, right?
sorry dont agree, when i started out in the yachting world then to become a ships captain. i studied at nautical/aviation school for 6 years, at the same time i built a 35 foot yacht to commercial survey. then i approached a well known yacht to joining as crew as completed theory ocean masters course. so they excepted me as navigator. then when't on to solo sailing my first 10,000 miles on my own yacht (practical experience) to then holding a full qualification. then sat a few more courses and worked as a paid skipper of yachts up to 90 ft then applying for my commercial license . then i built a 47 foot ocean survey yacht and started my "own" business. as i said no pain no gain. just get off your behind is how you make it, not sucking up to someone else.

Don
Neat.

Not sure that applies to an artistic field, but your dad must have been proud.
My father didnt have any input into anything i achieved.

Don
 
I don't really see a problem with that. At least this person doesn't have a shingle out offering wedding photography not ever having been a second shooter first. Generally to do anything really well takes some amount of experience, but how do you get that experience? Seems like being a second shooter would be the obvious way for wedding photography. If the thing is structured so that the 2nd shooter is doing the less challenging shots, if that person is a pretty good photographer already and if they're a pretty quick learner, it could work out very well, right?
sorry dont agree, when i started out in the yachting world then to become a ships captain. i studied at nautical/aviation school for 6 years, at the same time i built a 35 foot yacht to commercial survey. then i approached a well known yacht to joining as crew as completed theory ocean masters course. so they excepted me as navigator. then when't on to solo sailing my first 10,000 miles on my own yacht (practical experience) to then holding a full qualification. then sat a few more courses and worked as a paid skipper of yachts up to 90 ft then applying for my commercial license . then i built a 47 foot ocean survey yacht and started my "own" business. as i said no pain no gain. just get off your behind is how you make it, not sucking up to someone else.

Don
Neat.

Not sure that applies to an artistic field, but your dad must have been proud.
My father didnt have any input into anything i achieved.

Don
 
I have bad news, you will have to do a lot more than build your own camera.

You must also win 10 international photography competitions using only the very first iPhone, and you can only use a stuffed animal once.
 
The American economy encourages (forces?) workers to be mobile, flexible, and versatile. Pouring beers one week, plowing a field the next, highway construction the next... geologist, archaeologist, photographer, driving railroad spikes, or loading a coal train... I've just about done it all.

Where I live, you do whatever work is needed or you starve.

So far though I've turned down every offer to be a wedding or event photographer. Ugh, I can't imagine.
Plowing a field ?!?!

Cant you spell plough ? Ploughing a field .
Can't you spell can't? Plowing is not misspelled.
 
I don't really see a problem with that. At least this person doesn't have a shingle out offering wedding photography not ever having been a second shooter first. Generally to do anything really well takes some amount of experience, but how do you get that experience? Seems like being a second shooter would be the obvious way for wedding photography. If the thing is structured so that the 2nd shooter is doing the less challenging shots, if that person is a pretty good photographer already and if they're a pretty quick learner, it could work out very well, right?
sorry dont agree, when i started out in the yachting world then to become a ships captain. i studied at nautical/aviation school for 6 years, at the same time i built a 35 foot yacht to commercial survey. then i approached a well known yacht to joining as crew as completed theory ocean masters course. so they excepted me as navigator. then when't on to solo sailing my first 10,000 miles on my own yacht (practical experience) to then holding a full qualification. then sat a few more courses and worked as a paid skipper of yachts up to 90 ft then applying for my commercial license . then i built a 47 foot ocean survey yacht and started my "own" business. as i said no pain no gain. just get off your behind is how you make it, not sucking up to someone else.

Don
Neat.

Not sure that applies to an artistic field, but your dad must have been proud.
My father didnt have any input into anything i achieved.

Don
I apologize for implying that I was interested in hearing more about your life.
thats cool.

My father played golf and my mother was the driving force in my life. Im a single dad raising a now 16 yo daughter. so Im a home dad and casually work from home and prioritize everything around my daughter, 6 dance lessons a week, netball training and comps, musical theater, and music training she plays 3 instruments and sings.

Don
 
I have bad news, you will have to do a lot more than build your own camera.

You must also win 10 international photography competitions using only the very first iPhone, and you can only use a stuffed animal once.
Damn... I knew wedding photography was tough, but that's a really high bar to clear in order to be able to do it. It sounds like learning rocket surgery, with all that it requires might actually be an easier path...
 
you are not allowed to do mistakes in this field otherwise the world may end for you and the next sun you see might be through a jail window.
Moti
Where do you come from?

Here in the US, nobody ever went to jail for making a mistake photographing a wedding. Of course, in England, you can go to jail for voicing an unpopular idea, so why not throw someone in jail for missing a few shots at a wedding.

Thank God I live in America.
 
The American economy encourages (forces?) workers to be mobile, flexible, and versatile. Pouring beers one week, plowing a field the next, highway construction the next... geologist, archaeologist, photographer, driving railroad spikes, or loading a coal train... I've just about done it all.

Where I live, you do whatever work is needed or you starve.

So far though I've turned down every offer to be a wedding or event photographer. Ugh, I can't imagine.
 
The American economy encourages (forces?) workers to be mobile, flexible, and versatile. Pouring beers one week, plowing a field the next, highway construction the next... geologist, archaeologist, photographer, driving railroad spikes, or loading a coal train... I've just about done it all.

Where I live, you do whatever work is needed or you starve.

So far though I've turned down every offer to be a wedding or event photographer. Ugh, I can't imagine.
You have an internet connection and some pretty valuable gear. Hardly teetering on starvation.
Not at all. I've done well from time-to-time, and Wife has a real job.
 
Read this on social media and had a laugh.

"Anyone know or is anyone a wedding photographer and needing a 2nd photographer.

I have recently started a business (photography) but want to get practice in seeing how weddings are done."
Not surprised you laughed. It suggests that "starting a business" is putting up a webpage and printing out a batch of business cards before you know the trade. That you are about "winging it".

Maybe would have been cleverer to say they were an experienced photographer looking to supplement their day job income with work as a second shooter. Then they don't sound so much of an ambitious rival. Why would anyone want to employ a rival? Salons are not pleased when one of their own hairdressers sets up their own salon and takes some of the customers with them either.
 
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The American economy encourages (forces?) workers to be mobile, flexible, and versatile. Pouring beers one week, plowing a field the next, highway construction the next... geologist, archaeologist, photographer, driving railroad spikes, or loading a coal train... I've just about done it all.

Where I live, you do whatever work is needed or you starve.

So far though I've turned down every offer to be a wedding or event photographer. Ugh, I can't imagine.
Plowing a field ?!?!

Cant you spell plough ? Ploughing a field .
Perhaps it's an American spelling. There was a craze for phonetic spelling in the USA in the 1890s, and some of the new spellings still survive. Dewey (of Decimal System fame) was active in that movement.
 
Talk about the cart before the horse.

He should start a Youtube channel first.
She :-) exactly.

Don
Do all photographers make fun of new photographers or is it just DPR posters?
I tend to agree with the tone of the thread. It's like saying, hey I just started a plumbing business but I'd like to find an experienced plumber to follow around so I can learn how to install a new faucet. Seems like photography is one of the only trades where one thinks buying a fancy camera will give them instant access to making big bucks.
 
The American economy encourages (forces?) workers to be mobile, flexible, and versatile. Pouring beers one week, plowing a field the next, highway construction the next... geologist, archaeologist, photographer, driving railroad spikes, or loading a coal train... I've just about done it all.

Where I live, you do whatever work is needed or you starve.

So far though I've turned down every offer to be a wedding or event photographer. Ugh, I can't imagine.
Plowing a field ?!?!

Cant you spell plough ? Ploughing a field .
"Plowing" is how I've always seen it here in the US.

Oh, by the way the contraction for "cannot" is "can't" - notice the apostrophe that you missed. You're welcome.
 
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I live in a dirt poor section of the USA, where lots of people start a wedding photography business with a few hundred dollars invested or someone gave them a used camera. If they have the social skills it takes to do weddings they can learn the photography skills as they go along.
Really? would you like someone 'learning their photography skills' to do your wedding?

How about someone learning how to do roofing working on your roof?

Or learning how to be a mechanic fixing your brakes?

You should learn how to do something prior to charging for it.......
I totally agree. at the least completed a course and supervised.

Don
Kind of like being a second shooter for an established photographer.

So you agree with what the person in the OP is trying to do.

You should have been more clear about that.
 
What's the problem?
Perhaps "I want to get practice before I start a business" would be better.
Or....

His business is portrait or product photography but wants to experience weddings as a possible future option.

He didn't say his business was weddings.

The OP is a nothing burger.

Picking on an out-of-context quote is childish & stupid.
 
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It's like saying, hey I just started a plumbing business but I'd like to find an experienced plumber to follow around so I can learn how to install a new faucet.
No it's not.

You have no idea what his business is.

Could be more like saying "I started a business fixing motorcycles but I'd like to work with an auto mechanic to learn about cars".
 
Talk about the cart before the horse.

He should start a Youtube channel first.
She :-) exactly.

Don
Do all photographers make fun of new photographers or is it just DPR posters?
I tend to agree with the tone of the thread. It's like saying, hey I just started a plumbing business but I'd like to find an experienced plumber to follow around so I can learn how to install a new faucet. Seems like photography is one of the only trades where one thinks buying a fancy camera will give them instant access to making big bucks.
I have a great nephew who is now a licensed electrician. Guess how he started.

Yup, following around a licensed electrician until he had the knowledge/met requirements in his state to get his license.
 

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