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I understand it from Canon users.

I understand it from Nikon users.

I understand it from Sony users.


All of them are fighting for Canons crown as top camera maker.


But m43 users seem to be the most vitriolic of the bunch against the new Panas.


Panasonic had to evolve from M43 and the smartest decision for them was to go FF (since they have a partnership with Leica). But Olympus is fine and dandy making PEN-Fs, EM1s and that new big one.


I for one welcome the path Panasonic is taking and giving us a system that finally competes IQ wise with the big boys.


Go Pana go!
 
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DtBB said:
I understand it from Canon users.

I understand it from Nikon users.

I understand it from Sony users.

All of them are fighting for Canons crown as top camera maker.

But m43 users seem to be the most vitriolic of the bunch against the new Panas.

Panasonic had to evolve from M43 and the smartest decision for them was to go FF (since they have a partnership with Leica). But Olympus is fine and dandy making PEN-Fs, EM1s and that new big one.

I for one welcome the path Panasonic is taking and giving us a system that finally competes IQ wise with the big boys.

Go Pana go!
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Dying that's funny as. I just picked up a new em12 , yet just spent 50 k on a new studio do you ever ask why people do such things ? or are we just crazy and don't know what we are doing ?

Don
 
No hate from me looks very cool ,much better than the Z cameras.

Don
 
DtBB said:
I understand it from Canon users.

I understand it from Nikon users.

I understand it from Sony users.

All of them are fighting for Canons crown as top camera maker.

But m43 users seem to be the most vitriolic of the bunch against the new Panas.

Panasonic had to evolve from M43 and the smartest decision for them was to go FF (since they have a partnership with Leica). But Olympus is fine and dandy making PEN-Fs, EM1s and that new big one.

I for one welcome the path Panasonic is taking and giving us a system that finally competes IQ wise with the big boys.

Go Pana go!
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No hate from me. Go Panny!

You're exaggerating, is that normal?
 
I am very happy to see that the Panasonic FF products are clearly separated from Micro Four Thirds lineup. This means that Micro4/3 can be developed more into entusiastic-friendly direction instead of trying to aim for the semi-pro market. In addition, Panasonic gets some synergy by being able to share the technology and design between the systems. This benefits both Micro4/3 and L-alliance.
 
D Cox said:
Some M4/3 users have spent years preaching that it is the best possible size for a sensor, and have evolved a whole theology called "equivalence" to prove it.

They naturally feel betrayed by Panasonic's apostasy.
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Not at all, they've spent years defending their choice from people who won't bother to actually try them or look at the photos posted on websites all over the web. I suspect very few four thirds shooters are that bothered. If it's a good camera, which it does appear to be, then very well done Panasonic. May need to work on Canonyikon now, how does Canonyikonic work? 😁

Brian
 
DtBB said:
I understand it from Canon users.

I understand it from Nikon users.

I understand it from Sony users.

All of them are fighting for Canons crown as top camera maker.

But m43 users seem to be the most vitriolic of the bunch against the new Panas.

Panasonic had to evolve from M43 and the smartest decision for them was to go FF (since they have a partnership with Leica). But Olympus is fine and dandy making PEN-Fs, EM1s and that new big one.

I for one welcome the path Panasonic is taking and giving us a system that finally competes IQ wise with the big boys.

Go Pana go!
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I read DPR since it started. I post when I find the topic interesting and I can contribute to it.

I changed systems so many times - from antique film cameras, to Canon SLRs, than DSLRs, to M4/3, added Sony FF, and I do not even remember all the P&S cameras I owned - but I liked FujiFilm and Sony...

Yes, there is some rivalry between fanboys... But HATE? I think you never experienced real hate in your life - good for you.
 
No hate from me. I wish them luck and if I ever wanted to consider FF they would be on the short list. But it is all academic to me since I love my m34 gear and have no desire to use anything else.
 
TN Args said:
DtBB said:
I understand it from Canon users.

I understand it from Nikon users.

I understand it from Sony users.

All of them are fighting for Canons crown as top camera maker.

But m43 users seem to be the most vitriolic of the bunch against the new Panas.

Panasonic had to evolve from M43 and the smartest decision for them was to go FF (since they have a partnership with Leica). But Olympus is fine and dandy making PEN-Fs, EM1s and that new big one.

I for one welcome the path Panasonic is taking and giving us a system that finally competes IQ wise with the big boys.

Go Pana go!
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No hate from me. Go Panny!

You're exaggerating, is that normal?
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Similarly, as a Sony user, I have no hate towards Panasonic. I can only complain that it's a bit too expensive than the competition. Considering the features, I can understand, but the lenses... Oh, C'mon.

Hope they do really well, and push the industry forward.
 
James Stirling said:
Iliah Borg said:
I doubt Sony are so disconnected to announce 2 new 4/3 sensors late in 2018 while the whole thing is dying.

https://www.sony-semicon.co.jp/products_en/IS/sensor2/img/products/IMX272AQK_Flyer.pdf

https://www.sony-semicon.co.jp/products_en/IS/sensor2/img/products/IMX299CJK_Flyer.pdf
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There seems to be a growth in the use of m43 sized sensors in industrial applications,
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I see this growth for quite some time already, but 1" is also popular.
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which may well offer a lifeline in m43 sensor development
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m43 cameras need more sales, and that can't be achieved by just pouring old wine into new wineskins ;)
 
DtBB said:
I understand it from Canon users.

I understand it from Nikon users.

I understand it from Sony users.

All of them are fighting for Canons crown as top camera maker.

But m43 users seem to be the most vitriolic of the bunch against the new Panas.

Panasonic had to evolve from M43 and the smartest decision for them was to go FF (since they have a partnership with Leica). But Olympus is fine and dandy making PEN-Fs, EM1s and that new big one.

I for one welcome the path Panasonic is taking and giving us a system that finally competes IQ wise with the big boys.

Go Pana go!
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Is this a strawman?

Looking at the S1 release, it looks like an excellent pair of cameras. Pricey of course and with a severely limited set of very expensive lenses until Sigma come on board, but none the less, high quality and promising.

And absolutely nothing to do with m4/3 which lives in its own space.

However, what I have seen for a long time is scornful remarks by larger format users towards m4/3 gear and perhaps woefully defensive reactions from m4/3 users.

Now that Panasonic, a leading vendor in the m4/3 space, have launched a FF system, the scale of the attack on m4/3 has increased, now with added "m4/3 is doomed" proclamations, not with sadness but with glee.

Why anyone would celebrate the death of any system is another question, but m4/3 users have every reason to believe that m4/3 will continue on as a viable system, so hardly surprising they may react over-sensitively to full framers' negativity and gloating.

All this stuff is nonsense. Full frame is good at what it does at the cost of high price/weight/bulk, m4/3 is good at what it does (small, light) at the cost of increased noise, reduced DR and broader DOF. They don't compete, they operate in different spaces. Some people just like manufacturing a fight for sake of it.

p.s.

Perhaps the oddity here is the new Olympus. It takes a shot at exactly the same space as the larger formats. It's not obvious why they would expect that to work.
 
The m43 forums are a strange place. Half the threads debate m43 Vs FF as nauseum. The rest are mainly about the worries of the future of the system.

Panasonic moving to embrace FF has just fueled the fire of malcontent amongst the both the above groups.

At the end of the day m43 probably doesn't have a shining future but then camera sales are dwindling across the board. Mirrorless has given a tiny blip upwards but I suspect it's only a short reprieve.
 
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The m43 forums are a strange place. Half the threads debate m43 Vs FF as nauseum. The rest are mainly about the worries of the future of the system.
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I have to agree with this statement.

Comparing M4/3 Forum to Sony FF Forum, another one I visit often, I should say that Sony forum is a more peaceful place. There is simply not so much insecurity and jealousy there.
 
From my understanding there isn't any hate. I'd venture to say that the only the folks who feel something (such as animosity or insecurity toward MFT) are those who are making threads like this that insinuate that there is some kind of underlying negative emotion going on globally among MFT users toward Panasonic. There isn't.
 
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DtBB said:
I understand it from Canon users.

I understand it from Nikon users.

I understand it from Sony users.

All of them are fighting for Canons crown as top camera maker.

But m43 users seem to be the most vitriolic of the bunch against the new Panas.
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Don't lump us all in the same category. I shoot with the Pen-F and love it, but I know it has some limitations. I've been looking to add an FF mirrorless to become my primary camera, I thought I might go the Nikon Z route, but after reading some of the initial rumors on the S1/S1R, I got quite interested in what Panasonic would release. Now after seeing the final specs, and some of the initial testing and opinions with early pre-production firmware, the S1 (and 24-105/4) looks like most of what I want.

Now I can have a few opinions about things, such as I would have preferred the body size and weight were about the same as the G9, but that's really about my only con. However, since I have a really good sling strap as well as a really comfortable sling bag, that's not much of a con for me really.

Some, maybe even many of us M43 users like the S series, from being on the M43 forums the last 4 years, many of them shoot with dual systems anyway - so there would be no reason to hate on the Panasonic S.
DtBB said:
Panasonic had to evolve from M43 and the smartest decision for them was to go FF (since they have a partnership with Leica). But Olympus is fine and dandy making PEN-Fs, EM1s and that new big one.

I for one welcome the path Panasonic is taking and giving us a system that finally competes IQ wise with the big boys.

Go Pana go!
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