For me "horses for courses" is a rule. It means that you have to be ready for low light which does not mean to bring bigger sensor but to bring more lightYou can't hold your partner and a camera at the same time, so I can't take photos while dancing.If you think that FF sensor saves your shot, you're wrong.I don't like motion blur in my dancing shots.
Just remember light rule of photography: high light - high photography, low light - low photography, no light - no photography. Also stop dancing while doing photography
:-D
However, in tango nights even an APS-C with F1.8 lens cannot take decent pictures. It's an extreme situation, comparable to a theater but with much faster action.
BTW, I'm no MFT hater. I just believe in "horses for courses" philosophy.
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No because body plus lenses will be huge and very expensive. One of the reasons m43 exists.
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bayindirh
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Honest question: Which means I need to buy F0.95/25mm MF lenses for MFT which sells for the same price of my F1.8/55mm AF?For me "horses for courses" is a rule. It means that you have to be ready for low light which does not mean to bring bigger sensor but to bring more lightYou can't hold your partner and a camera at the same time, so I can't take photos while dancing.If you think that FF sensor saves your shot, you're wrong.I don't like motion blur in my dancing shots.
Just remember light rule of photography: high light - high photography, low light - low photography, no light - no photography. Also stop dancing while doing photography
:-D
However, in tango nights even an APS-C with F1.8 lens cannot take decent pictures. It's an extreme situation, comparable to a theater but with much faster action.
BTW, I'm no MFT hater. I just believe in "horses for courses" philosophy.
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Genes Pentax
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Try different things if and when you can. Perhaps you could try borrowing or renting some cameras that intrigue you.
While genuinely liking some systems is understandable, I think it makes no sense to be "dedicated" to any one system. Every systems and designs have their own respective strengths and weaknesses. Some have more than others. None have no weaknesses. So, it's a matter of finding systems that you like to use.
I used to (and still do to an extent) like Pentax quite a bit. But found that their design no longer suited my preferences. Picked up Panasonic G9 and am loving it more than I expected. Is it perfect? Nope. But it's a good balance of features. My office also has 5DmkIII. A very good camera for sure. But it wasn't to my liking. Recently borrowed a friend's D850. Another fantastic camera for sure. But I'm unsure if the FF and mega pixels are worth the weight & size. I'm thinking I'd rather try Fuji 50R. But then the size ... would I be reaching for it? Just recently picked up Fuji XT3 out of curiosity. Very nice feel. Absolutely love the dials and aperture ring on the lens. Almost makes me feel like I'm handling K1000 again. But the weight and grip is not as comfortable as the G9. So, although I've had the two cameras sitting right next to each other, I find myself reaching for the G9 more often than the XT3 ... which made me pause on the idea of Fuji 50R.
Anyhow, the bottom line is that budget allowing, I'm perfectly willing to try different systems. The experience should help you better appreciate the pros and cons of what you are currently using. After that, if you think something else will be better for you, so be it.
If the experience means that you want to use two different systems, it's what it is. I'm still evaluating whether my 2nd system is going to be a FF or MF. Might have to wait a bit more to see how the MF cameras evolve. But at this time, I'm just not drawn enough to a FF camera for the sake of a FF sensor.
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Yes. Probably because we have similar interests in shooting the outdoor areas around us. Grabbing a camera is a great excuse for a few hours outdoors, and never gets old.You and I are thinking much alike. One difference is that, although I mentioned the 24-105mm f/4, it's really the fast primes like 50mm f/1.4 and the added control over DOF that draw me to FF. Yes, the 24-105mm f/4 offers only one stop more DOF control over my 12-40mm f/2.8 and Panasonic will have a very hard time matching, wide open, the quality of the 12-40mm f/2.8. So, that's a big question mark.
You and I even fantasize over the E-M1X and the three f/1.2 Pro primes; we are thinking alike.
So many questions yet to be answered.
Jim Pilcher
Summit County, Colorado, USA
Living above life at 9100 ft
I've been very pleased with the older generation of fast primes for mFT, like the 75/1.8, 45/1.8, and 25/1.8. Compared to the others, the 17 is a touch softer than I'd like but definitely usable. They take up little room in a bag, so make for a very nice kit to drag along for casual use.
Right now my main camera is the EM-1 which I got with the 12-40/2.8. I also have the EP-5 which normally carries the 17/1.8 but doesn't get a lot of use. The last big purchase was the 300/4 which has been a terrific addition.
There's a lot of very nice competition out there. If I was starting from scratch, I would be seriously tempted by Fuji, Sony A7, or Nikon Z. But Oly's set of Pro lenses is very well thought out. And when I put pencil to paper and really compare cost, function, aperture, etc., I keep coming back to Oly as a good fit for my needs.
It's probably time for a little Marie Kondo love for the gear I've accumulated over the years. Doing so would make room for a few of the /1.2 primes
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I'm interested primarily in more DOF control and high ISO possibilities. If my initial foray into FF works well, I will certainly want to grab the announced 50mm f/1.4 also. I might even consider that as my first lens.Sure, the kids’ inheritance is there to be spent..
I’m sure there are some or perhaps many things th new FF Panasonic body will do better, but what can’t you do now that you will suddenly be able to do with a Panasonic FF system and a travel zoom 24-104? I’m talking about practical things - that mean you either miss the picture completely because of the shortcomings of your current equipment, or you get sick of the additional on site or post processing work required to get the picture to match your “vision” for that particular image.
It could be that just as the new Olympus is a specialty tool and probably not for most of us, so a ~50 mp FF body may also end up being more of a specialty tool. Great if you really need it though. And if the new body feels so much better in in the hand that you just love carrying the camera, vs what you have already, this is an additional bonus.
I have 20Mp files right now. I don't see 24Mp files being all that much more stress on my system. I'm running a relatively modern Intel core i7 with 16Gb memory and 2Tb SSD.
She will. Not just yet. I don't want to be turned down too early in the process. ;-)good luck with your decision though - does your wife know?
Jim Pilcher
Summit County, Colorado, USA
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Honest answer: Bring a flashHonest question: Which means I need to buy F0.95/25mm MF lenses for MFT which sells for the same price of my F1.8/55mm AF?For me "horses for courses" is a rule. It means that you have to be ready for low light which does not mean to bring bigger sensor but to bring more lightYou can't hold your partner and a camera at the same time, so I can't take photos while dancing.If you think that FF sensor saves your shot, you're wrong.I don't like motion blur in my dancing shots.
Just remember light rule of photography: high light - high photography, low light - low photography, no light - no photography. Also stop dancing while doing photography
:-D
However, in tango nights even an APS-C with F1.8 lens cannot take decent pictures. It's an extreme situation, comparable to a theater but with much faster action.
BTW, I'm no MFT hater. I just believe in "horses for courses" philosophy.
bayindirh
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Thanks. However that's strictly forbidden in these types of venues and events. You have to use the available lightHonest answer: Bring a flashHonest question: Which means I need to buy F0.95/25mm MF lenses for MFT which sells for the same price of my F1.8/55mm AF?For me "horses for courses" is a rule. It means that you have to be ready for low light which does not mean to bring bigger sensor but to bring more lightYou can't hold your partner and a camera at the same time, so I can't take photos while dancing.If you think that FF sensor saves your shot, you're wrong.I don't like motion blur in my dancing shots.
Just remember light rule of photography: high light - high photography, low light - low photography, no light - no photography. Also stop dancing while doing photography
:-D
However, in tango nights even an APS-C with F1.8 lens cannot take decent pictures. It's an extreme situation, comparable to a theater but with much faster action.
BTW, I'm no MFT hater. I just believe in "horses for courses" philosophy.
Than enjoy events and do not do photography.Thanks. However that's strictly forbidden in these types of venues and events. You have to use the available lightHonest answer: Bring a flashHonest question: Which means I need to buy F0.95/25mm MF lenses for MFT which sells for the same price of my F1.8/55mm AF?For me "horses for courses" is a rule. It means that you have to be ready for low light which does not mean to bring bigger sensor but to bring more lightYou can't hold your partner and a camera at the same time, so I can't take photos while dancing.If you think that FF sensor saves your shot, you're wrong.I don't like motion blur in my dancing shots.
Just remember light rule of photography: high light - high photography, low light - low photography, no light - no photography. Also stop dancing while doing photography
:-D
However, in tango nights even an APS-C with F1.8 lens cannot take decent pictures. It's an extreme situation, comparable to a theater but with much faster action.
BTW, I'm no MFT hater. I just believe in "horses for courses" philosophy.
Again, having FF will not solve your problem because your problem is not camera.
Day Hiker
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My Pen F struggles with autofocus @ f/1.2 wide open. I'm thinking the E-M1.2 or E-M1X may address that concern, which is important to me as I'm planning to acquire the 17mm f/1.2 and 45mm f/1.2 to round out the Olympus trio.
Better handling with my M.Zuiko 40-150mm f/2.8 Pro and (newly acquired) 1.4x TC. It's OK with my Pen F and grip, but the E-M1X will almost certainly be much better.
If I were to dabble in FF, it's mostly for DOF control, high ISO, and possibly more workable raw files. I'm not looking for a complete new system, only an enjoyable adjunct to m4/3.
Jim Pilcher
Summit County, Colorado, USA
Living above life at 9100 ft
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Nope. I joined µ4/3 in August, 2011. I purchased my 4/3 Olympus E-1 in June, 2004. I consider µ4/3 as a minor meaningless extension of 4/3. :-D
Jim Pilcher
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That's my potential plan: No more than two or three lenses in my FF system, absolutely including a very fast AF prime. µ4/3 will remain my primary system. Who knows though? That may be unrealistic if FF somehow blows me away with image quality and versatility in the rather small shooting envelope I occupy in the greater photographic world (moderate wide to short tele).
That is something I'll be looking at. Occasionally I struggle even when I push 20Mp Pen F files. Your words encourage me on that front.
Jim Pilcher
Summit County, Colorado, USA
Living above life at 9100 ft
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After a few yeas following this forum and not any other, the IQ difference was quite a shock.
I just had to go back to careful hand holding technique with the D810. IBIS is much better than VR. But I am getting those skills back.
bayindirh
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I respectfully disagree with the following image. Since I messed up its white balance due to inexperience with the camera and selective yellow / orange dominant lighting, I discarded the colors. There's no NR, no weird tricks. Pulled the shadows and applied red filtered BW only.Than enjoy events and do not do photography.Thanks. However that's strictly forbidden in these types of venues and events. You have to use the available lightHonest answer: Bring a flashHonest question: Which means I need to buy F0.95/25mm MF lenses for MFT which sells for the same price of my F1.8/55mm AF?For me "horses for courses" is a rule. It means that you have to be ready for low light which does not mean to bring bigger sensor but to bring more lightYou can't hold your partner and a camera at the same time, so I can't take photos while dancing.If you think that FF sensor saves your shot, you're wrong.I don't like motion blur in my dancing shots.
Just remember light rule of photography: high light - high photography, low light - low photography, no light - no photography. Also stop dancing while doing photography
:-D
However, in tango nights even an APS-C with F1.8 lens cannot take decent pictures. It's an extreme situation, comparable to a theater but with much faster action.
BTW, I'm no MFT hater. I just believe in "horses for courses" philosophy.
Again, having FF will not solve your problem because your problem is not camera.
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I was not sure about that Jeff . I assumed it is the same mount
I am surprised that there is not a Canon EF to L mount as Canon lenses seem to be about the easiest to adapt
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Because I'm so satisfied with my Panasonic G9.
Both systems will complement each other very well, I think.
Both systems will complement each other very well, I think.
James Pilcher wrote:
JDLaing50 wrote:
James Pilcher wrote:
The Panasonic S1 and 24-104mm f/4 lens are to be available very soon. I expect them to be very good, if not exceptional. I’m sorely tempted for the very first time to dabble in digital FF.
Who of you out there are thinking similarly?
Not me.
But, Jim, you are already in FF mirrorless. :-D
Jim Pilcher
Summit County, Colorado, USA
Living above life at 9100 ft
Ahhhhhhhh yes.
JDLaing50 wrote:
James Pilcher wrote:
The Panasonic S1 and 24-104mm f/4 lens are to be available very soon. I expect them to be very good, if not exceptional. I’m sorely tempted for the very first time to dabble in digital FF.
Who of you out there are thinking similarly?
Not me.
But, Jim, you are already in FF mirrorless. :-D
Jim Pilcher
Summit County, Colorado, USA
Living above life at 9100 ft
Ahhhhhhhh yes.
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This is a tempting offer. Very tempting, actually. That said, I think an EM5.3 with the same build, sensor, IBIS, and HHHR combined with a 12-100 / 4 would be one helluva all-in-one for hiking and more. To be completely honest, I kinda thought that's what was coming before the EM1X was announced.This is far too brutal Mr Bustard.You mean something like this (Z6 + 24-70 / 4S vs G85 + 12-35 / 2.8 II):
wouldn't be a more honest comparison? I mean, geez.
I played with the Z7 and was amazed.
There is no good reason not to use this camera for my travel photography where 70mm is often as long as I need and where I need a camera and a couple of lenses that fit in my briefcase or rucksack.
Next year when there are some more lenses I think this is where I am going.
I always think about FF as a complement to m43, but I can't afford it (really, can't justify it). I'm a bit more partial to the Z6, honestly, though I love Panny controls and handling.
But as m43 is the go-anywhere camera, and I've had m43 since 2009, FF would be a back-up system. I've had I don't know how many FF with m43 in the past (Canon 6D twice , Nikon D750, Sony a7 at least twice) but they all get used for a spurt and then sit on the shelf, and I can see the depreciation. I'm almost tempted to try another 6D, since I'm assuming they are dirt cheap now, but I'm not sure I'm up to futzing with micro lens adjustment.
Any rate, go with what you love, but that's a lot of depreciating equipment if you don't use it constantly.
Fair enough - personal context is important!
I used to lug around a very heavy Nikon F90X film SLR with a few kit zooms and a speedlight. When digital cameras arrived I started with small point & shoots, worked up to an LX5 and then finally joined M4/3 a few years ago. I also found myself leaving my big kit behind once I had something small and light. For me, the GX line is perfect as it combines a small body with good quality imaging and I love the light-weight lenses.
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