Is 10d focus issue resolved now?

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Hello,

Currently in considerations of purchasing a canon 10d. Has the focusing issue been resolved on the latest batch of cameras? Was this only a problem on earlier batches? Anyone that has found a problem please post purchase date especially if recent. If I purchase tomorrow, is it still possible to get a lemon and should I run tests? If yes, is there a valid yet simple test to do.

Many thanks
 
I bought 10D 1,5 months ago (from B&H) and did not know about any focus issue at purchase time. After first shots I noticed some blur and started to susspect mine for being affected and started to follow most of the "focus issue" threads on this forum.

But after a month of learning how to deal with the 10D's particular autofocus design I started to realise that my pictures are much less affected by "AF issue" than before to even be minimised to few percent.

Accually I discoverd that now I know which picture is gonna be out of focus right after the shot before I even look at it (like when the object moves during exposure).

So in my case as for right now I'm convinced that it was more the matter of practice how to deal with this particular AF design than the real AF issue what I was suspecting at the early days of 10D possesion.

I also learned that the model of lens has much more to do in terms of focus accuracy than the body.
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Bartek
Hello,

Currently in considerations of purchasing a canon 10d. Has the
focusing issue been resolved on the latest batch of cameras? Was
this only a problem on earlier batches? Anyone that has found a
problem please post purchase date especially if recent. If I
purchase tomorrow, is it still possible to get a lemon and should I
run tests? If yes, is there a valid yet simple test to do.

Many thanks
 
The camera i was sent last week in my opinion has a focus issue
remember i am just one person i recommend you do a search in other forums.
even if there is a problem the odds are you will get a good camera
just becareful of the return policy and no matter what you will be happy?
and let us know what you think after you purchase it.
 
I own a 6xxxx and a 7xxxx and both work just fine. I do not believe that any sporadic focus issues are related to a specific "batch" I personally believe that real issues are found on an individual basis. The rest can be chocked up to user error.

I say this having returned my first one for focusing issues which in all likelyhood was just fine, but I got caught up in all the focusing hoopla. Once I got comfortable with the camera and the digital workflow i began producing stunning images.

Good luck and enjoy, the 10D is a magnificent piece of equipment!

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Photogear wrote:

Not sure there is an issue for you to be concerned about. I certainly recommend that you test your camera (regardless of brand or model). Regardless of how busy you are when you get the camera, just be sure to test it. Your best bet is to buy the camera from anybody that gives you at least a two week time frame for a full refund (two weeks is more than enough time for testing)

FWIW, I tested three 10D bodies. One was slightly front focusing, one back, and the third (guess which one I kept) was pretty much right on the mark. The two so-so units were good bodies. If I had not had the good fortune of running into the third body, I would have been very happy with either one of the two so-so bodies.

BTW, the 10D is a great camera from my perspective. If you can afford the weight and dollars associated with a 1Ds, go for it.

Regards,

Joe Kurkjian, Pbase Supporter

http://www.pbase.com/jkurkjia
 
I ordered one from Delta International. I tested it and found it back focusing with one of my lenses and front focusing with the other. I sent it back. They paid for shipping and sent me a second camera to replace the first. Then I realized the issue was meant to be rectified by Canon. Since then I've heard of a store which ordered 20 of these 10D cameras and when the guy relating the story came to buy, he was told 13 were purchased by customers and 13 were returned for autofocusing issues. He figured the odds of 14 being in that shape were pretty slim. I'm glad he isn't my stock broker. He returned number 14 for autofocusing issues. But I digress.

I sent my camera and two lenses to Canon and it came back in less than two weeks round trip (very fast) and focusing much much better than when it left. It isn't perfect. But I can shoot happily with it. One more item and then I'll get to the testing. I have a shooting assignment coming up in october and I was about to rent a 24-70L from Keeble and Shuchat. I've rented the 16-35 and the 100-400 from them for use on my D30 in the past and was blown away by the quality of these lenses. However, since I had just had my 10D calibrated along with my lenses, I asked Keeble if they would let me come down and test the 24-70L. They said, "you bet". I found their 24-70L to be back focusing by such a huge amount, that stopping down to f8 didn't help much. So I bought a 24mm L and when I tested it, found it close enough to do the work I want in october, after which, I will send it to Canon to have it calibrated too.

I test by shooting two things: real subjects in varying lighting conditions to learn how well the thing works, and I shoot the "Harry Potter Test (HPT)".

The HPT is simply the latest Harry Potter book propped up on its spine by a couple of bricks. I then stick 5 playing cards (7, 8, and 10 of spades, and 8 and 10 of clubs) into the book at the following page numbers: 50, 250, 450, 650, 850. The cards protrude out of the book far enough so that 5 of the spades, or clubs are visible from each card. Those cards each have 5 spades or clubs with one in the middle of each card. I focus the camera,s one, activated, center sensor on the middle spade on the middle card. I make sure it's close enough to cover no more than the center spade, and I move it so the focusing square covers only have of the spade and the other half is on the white part of the card. This half-filled square provides contrast. This also ensures that the entire sensor, which extends beyond the square etched in the focusing screen, is still only seeing that center card and isn't being fooled into picking up another card or something else. I shoot wide open and in enough light. I'm not trying to trick the sensor. I'm trying to see if that card or one behind it or in front of it are in focus. I'm familiar with the term "depth of field" and I've been shooting film cameras with manual focus for 30 years. This test isn't hard to do and probably works with a dictionary too.

I perform the HPT a few times to make sure there are no mistakes. I forgot -- the camera is on a tripod. All shutter releases are from the self timer. I don't lock up the mirror because the gitzo tripod I use is heavy enough for my sinar 4x5. Also, I know the difference between motion blur and out-of-focus. All shots are with the lens wide open (i.e. 24mm shot at f1.4, 50mm shot at f1.4, 85mm shot at f1.8). All capture is done in RAW mode and the raw files are converted non-linearly into tiffs with Canon software suppplied with the camera.

I then examine the tiffs, unsharpened, in photoshop at 100%.

When my camera came back from Canon, it passed the HPT adequately. By that, I mean, the frames from the HPT, when viewed in photoshop, show the card I focused on IN FOCUS, and one of the cards behind it almost in focus. Previously, the the test produced just the oposite, one of the cards behind, or in front of, the card a focused on being in focus, and the one I focused on almost being in focus.

I believe Canon can be trusted to do their job. I also believe, you can ask them politely to pay for shipping both to and from the service center to have your camera and lenses calibrated. It was the Irvine, California service center which worked on my camera.

I hope I haven't given you too much info.

The camera is wonderful. I would buy a second one in a heartbeat if I weren't using it only to hold me till the 1D is upgraded.

Bob
 
There may or may not be a link to it somewhere. The actual chart used for the "ruler" is unimportant, really. The chart you focus on is a bit more critical. But a simple chart that's half-black, half-white (vertical bands) will work just fine for the center AF point.

Here's another chart you can download and use:

http://www.canondslr.com/articles/m-dream/

It shows how to create a ruler and a virtual ruler to use, too.
where can i get a copy of that chart
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http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm

Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with years of training and experience in such things.
 
My first 10D was purchased from Delta in late July of 2003 and had a serial number starting with 6, the second one Delta International sent me was in August and had a serial number starting with 7. When the second one came, I called Delta and told them I was going to send it in for calibrating but I was worried that if Canon didn't satisfy me, I would be stuck with this thing. Delta said, if Canon doesn't satisfy you, just call us back. We'll satisfy you. That was comforting.

Bob
 
He tends to pop in and out a few times a day. Probably checking for my posts, his old threads, and any new AF threads. ;)

He was on earlier today.
you've made two posts to this thread and Pearl hasn't posted
anything. Is Pearl under the weather or banned? I hope neither.
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Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with years of training and experience in such things.
 
Melanie, Graham, and Gary,

thanks for your response. but I think it has already been established that most cameras, even the earlier ones had no problems. what I was asking was whether any recent purchases proved to be of problematic cameras.

Thanks anyway.
I have an "early" batch camera... the issue hasn't been resolved.
Mine NEVER had the issue.
I have one from the first batch in the UK it also never had a problem.
Mine is also a first batch camera and functions perfectly.

Look at my 10D/Test pix, there's the proof in glorious color.

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http://GaryCoombs.com/10D/New
http://GaryCoombs.com/10D/Test
 
David,

thanks for your response and link to the test. This test is very specific with details. Based on your response I assume then that there still are bads 10ds coming out? Even future purchases should run this tests?
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/viewtopic.php?TopicID=10948

Canon approved. Be sure to do it in GOOD lighting. As in outdoors.

Here's what the chart looks like:



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http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with
years of training and experience in such things.
 
Yes, there have been some recent cameras that have had AF problems. Or else it was the lens.

I seriously doubt the percentage of problems have significantly changed, upwards OR downwards.
thanks for your response. but I think it has already been
established that most cameras, even the earlier ones had no
problems. what I was asking was whether any recent purchases proved
to be of problematic cameras.
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http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm

Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with years of training and experience in such things.
 

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