HD travel 'spy' camera?

Would a camera with a tilt out screen help. You can tilt out the screen and look down at it to operate the camera. A lot of the time it doesn't look like you're taking a photo, as it's not between your eye and them now.
Barry I can confirm from personal experience that a swivel screen can be an unbelievably useful tool for "discrete" photography, especially if the cam has truly silent shooting features. I'll add that with a bit of practice you can hold the screen with your left hand away from your body and use it as a sort of gimball for smooth panning and incredible shooting angles.

The problem, for me at least, is that a compact cam is best for such use but right now nobody is making those...
 
How about respecting people's wish not to be photographed?
There is no expectation of privacy in public places, thus, their wishes are irrelevant.
Irrelevant if you're not a worthwhile member of society. I would probably have a word or two with you if you took my picture without my permission.
You can have all the words you wish. If you are in a public location, where you live in the USA, if I have taken a picture with you in it, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Nothing at all. I don't need your permission to take a photo.
 
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I suspected the thread would make a fuss, everyone is so into meaningless virtue signaling these days. So, sure - feel free to post about how high and mighty you are and would never trample on others wishes. We (anonymous folks) really look up to you. Feel better?

1. It's legal nearly everywhere (as far as I know to take photos in public spaces - on the street etc). With the exception in some countries of public buildings (airports, govt architecture) and in other countries some religious spaces. Er.. and of course I guess nude beaches ;) I'm not talking about North Korea here.

2. Rocks were thrown not just because I had my camera - but because I was white, there were four of us and we all got rocks thrown at us - the crowd quickly intervened and stopped the teenagers and apologized (but suggested we leave). I was just saying - how much worse would it be if I were photographing. I sincerely doubt the camels would have minded too much - and it was a public market that many others have photographed in the past - it's just that sometimes sh*t happens.

Other places, as soon as you whip out your camera on the street some goof will run up to you and demand money, this isn't a person that cares about his picture taken, this is someone that does this day in/out to try to get money from tourists. Even had this happen in Jamaica - but mostly in Africa. It can get ugly (largely a strategy to cow you into giving money).

3. If you carry a large DSL you run the risk of being seen as a reporter / journalist. This can bring requests to see journalistic permits etc etc - or worse. Essentially it's often best to keep a low profile.

If there were a way to snap a few pictures while walking down the street of old buildings, or street life etc without having to whip out my camera or even iPhone it would only be a cool tool to have.

Yeah, I'm a novice tourist who has only been to Paris and London.. lol - er.. and 104 countries and counting - how about you (the one that are virtue signaling)?

Anyway - I found a camera that might work - it's a button cam with reasonable resolution. I'll give it a try and see how it goes.

Thanks for those that gave 'real' advice - yes, sitting down in a place and letting people get used to you always helps. Have done this often. But sometimes - like in the middle of an african money market - no matter how long you sit in the street you're not going to look very normal.

A photographic guide can also be incredibly cool - they know all the good places and times of days / light. However, you'll be hard pressed to find some in many parts of rural Africa.. Not to mention budget.
 
How about respecting people's wish not to be photographed?
There is no expectation of privacy in public places, thus, their wishes are irrelevant.
It really depends on how much of a sociopath you are.
If someone requests for their picture to not be taken, you have to do yourself do I want to be rude and take it or do I want to respect them and their privacy. I think doing right and wrong is one of the most relevant choices that we had humans have to make.

Also, breaking the law is not the only negative consequence that could come from this.
 
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How about respecting people's wish not to be photographed?
There is no expectation of privacy in public places, thus, their wishes are irrelevant.
Irrelevant if you're not a worthwhile member of society. I would probably have a word or two with you if you took my picture without my permission.
You can have all the words you wish. If you are in a public location, where you live in the USA, if I have taken a picture with you in it, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Nothing at all. I don't need your permission to take a photo.
Some citizens in that heavily armed country might just pull out a gun and shoot you ; then they might smash up your camera and leave you for dead - there's nothing you could do about that either .

Even here in Scotland , where the legal position is much the same , it would be mightily unwise to go into certain parts of Glasgow , for example ,, and do as you suggest .

The best outcome you might hope for would be to be on the receiving end of a 'Glasgow Kiss' , and from there the possibilities only get worse ...

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With kind regards
Derek.
 
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I suspected the thread would make a fuss, everyone is so into meaningless virtue signaling these days. So, sure - feel free to post about how high and mighty you are and would never trample on others wishes. We (anonymous folks) really look up to you. Feel better?
1. It's legal nearly everywhere (as far as I know to take photos in public spaces - on the street etc). With the exception in some countries of public buildings (airports, govt architecture) and in other countries some religious spaces. Er.. and of course I guess nude beaches I'm not talking about North Korea here.
2. Rocks were thrown not just because I had my camera - but because I was white, there were four of us and we all got rocks thrown at us - the crowd quickly intervened and stopped the teenagers and apologized (but suggested we leave). I was just saying - how much worse would it be if I were photographing. I sincerely doubt the camels would have minded too much - and it was a public market that many others have photographed in the past - it's just that sometimes sh*t happens.
Other places, as soon as you whip out your camera on the street some goof will run up to you and demand money, this isn't a person that cares about his picture taken, this is someone that does this day in/out to try to get money from tourists. Even had this happen in Jamaica - but mostly in Africa. It can get ugly (largely a strategy to cow you into giving money).




When I read the early few lines after the initial question I thought there was more to it than first appears.

What is the real point you are trying to make ?

If what you are doing is legal / acceptable then go ahead and do it. However if you get attacked ( and it seems that you may have, unfortunately, experienced this more than once ) then consider first if it may be you as the cause of it.

Is this a dig at Africa ? ( or Jamaica ? ) - Four people sent running by the locals. Must have been some crowd - What were you really doing to get them upset so much.

Would like to see some of your work especially from the other 104 countries you have visited.
 
How about respecting people's wish not to be photographed?
There is no expectation of privacy in public places, thus, their wishes are irrelevant.
Irrelevant if you're not a worthwhile member of society. I would probably have a word or two with you if you took my picture without my permission.
You can have all the words you wish. If you are in a public location, where you live in the USA, if I have taken a picture with you in it, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Nothing at all.
You would never get to keep it.
 
How about respecting people's wish not to be photographed?
There is no expectation of privacy in public places, thus, their wishes are irrelevant.
Irrelevant if you're not a worthwhile member of society. I would probably have a word or two with you if you took my picture without my permission.
You can have all the words you wish. If you are in a public location, where you live in the USA, if I have taken a picture with you in it, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Nothing at all.
You would never get to keep it.
You could always try that method...but you'd land yourself in the hospital, and in jail afterwards. And I would have your photo, and you could do nothing about it.
 
How about respecting people's wish not to be photographed?
There is no expectation of privacy in public places, thus, their wishes are irrelevant.
Irrelevant if you're not a worthwhile member of society. I would probably have a word or two with you if you took my picture without my permission.
You can have all the words you wish. If you are in a public location, where you live in the USA, if I have taken a picture with you in it, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Nothing at all.
You would never get to keep it.
You could always try that method...but you'd land yourself in the hospital, and in jail afterwards. And I would have your photo, and you could do nothing about it.
Blah blah blah. You really are a sad piece of work. Get help.
 
How about respecting people's wish not to be photographed?
There is no expectation of privacy in public places, thus, their wishes are irrelevant.
In the USA yes technically you are correct. However, the OP talked about Africa and other locations and I'm not sure that USA legal standard applies everywhere in the world. Even if legal elsewhere, the law may not keep you from getting the daylights beat out of you and end up walking funny as a result of where someone stuck the camera.
 
I suspected the thread would make a fuss, everyone is so into meaningless virtue signaling these days.
It was expected. Just ignore it. People are desperate to be heard. It's the internet.

You should have added a disclaimer of sorts to your original post:

I'm not here for your blathering opinions on privacy, just the bloody camera.
 
How about respecting people's wish not to be photographed?
There is no expectation of privacy in public places, thus, their wishes are irrelevant.
In the USA yes technically you are correct. However, the OP talked about Africa and other locations and I'm not sure that USA legal standard applies everywhere in the world. Even if legal elsewhere, the law may not keep you from getting the daylights beat out of you and end up walking funny as a result of where someone stuck the camera.
Jeff, actually that's not even true here in the USA! Anyone who does not believe this should walk the streets, take pics of police, military or any kind of "security" forces and see what happens. In other "democracies" it's also quite bad with laws or government pressures of all kinds resulting on some major self-censorship by the press, with for example the faces of police forces being blurred for publication even when they are beating up entirely peaceful people.

But back to MamiyaMax. We are all wasting our time responding to this thread-crapping, insulting "good Murikan" who thinks our country IS the entire world. IGNORED!
 
...I normally use a small camera for street photography. Sometimes though, i have my cell phone hanging from my neck in a lanyard type holder and also either use a headphone cable trigger or bluetooth. The FOV on the cell phone is wide enough that I can aim randomly and crop a bit later. I used this setup a bit on trips to Tokyo in back alleys. Some people would hold something in front of their face when I lifted a camera to my eye...but with the iPhone, I never had issues. I just picked up an iPhone XR and find the quality very good in raw for street work. Sometimes though, the photo of a person blocking their face can be interesting as well.

Some rather interesting comments in the thread about privacy. I'll chime in as well on that....in a public setting, people simply cannot expect privacy. That wouldn't mean I'd get up in peoples faces....but I would have no issues taking photos. Safety of course is important. In Shinjuku, Tokyo, I was doing some street shots in Yakatori Alley and the Golden Gai....I wandered off a couple of blocks and accidently wandered into part of the red light district....and while much can be photographed, I made it into a bad area. I had a Yakuza member look up and me when I began to lift my camera. He gave a "no" wave of his finger, and then motioned for me to turn around and leave. I gave a nod and slight bow and turned and left. Imperative to know your surroundings.
 
How about respecting people's wish not to be photographed?
There is no expectation of privacy in public places, thus, their wishes are irrelevant.
How unthinkably , unspeakably rude .
The law is quite clear on this issue. Nothing rude about it.
I somehow missed that an intergalactic law regulating photographing people in public had passed.
If there was an expectation of privacy in public, you would never see news reports with photographs. As you obviously do, you must have missed something!
 
for me PERSONALLY, I can't imagine what I am so eager to have a photo of that I would be willing to wear spy glasses or other items, risk potential violent reactions, to sneak a photo of, probably of at best mediocre quality that for some reason I want to keep or show for the rest of my life.

I know I will get many replies that will focus on the 0.001% of the time someone can dream up an exception to this, but I can provide the 99% of the time this idea seems poorly conceived or at best dubious in wisdom and motives.

But I am just talking about me, no one else, just my personal thoughts and opinions.
 

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