Sigma 56 1.4 Review on ephotozine

Now, if they made a native 42.5/1.4 or so, I'm sure they could get the size down a little, but it's pretty clear that Sigma has no interest in M43 only lenses, and for good reason.
They seem plenty interested in making m43 only lenses, just not selling them under the Sigma brand.
I think you misread the quote. No sigma lenses are made only for m4/3 but they are designed first for sony aps bodies and then made available for m4/3 .. hence the sometimes odd focal lengths

Harold
The Olympus 75 1.8 and 25 1.8 are Sigma lenses sold under the Olympus brand.
It should clear from the context that I was talking about lenses produced by and sold with the Sigma brand name. Of which they have produced zero so far.

Whether Sigma may have designed lenses for a different company is neither here nor there.
 
Nice, although one contemplates if they would make one dedicated to MFT it could be even smaller/lighter. Price/performance seems to be right on.
It is very unlikely that this could be noticeably smaller/lighter and still perform well.

Unless using some extreme design (Otus etc), the size/weight are limited by the focal length and aperture. At 56/1.4, this has a physical aperture opening larger than the Panasonic and Olympus 42-45 1.2 lenses, but it's significantly smaller and lighter than either.

For lenses of this focal length, covering the image circle isn't really a challenge (it is more so with wider lenses), so making a lens that covers a smaller image circle would be unlikely to make much difference.

Now, if they made a native 42.5/1.4 or so, I'm sure they could get the size down a little, but it's pretty clear that Sigma has no interest in M43 only lenses, and for good reason.
last time i checked they were virtually the same weight
Yes, the M43 and Sony versions should be roughly the same weight, as the only difference is the mount/electronics.

What was being discussed is a theoretical lens designed to cover a M43 sensor rather than an APS-C sensor, and whether or not that lens would be appreciably smaller/lighter.
 
Nice, although one contemplates if they would make one dedicated to MFT it could be even smaller/lighter. Price/performance seems to be right on.
It is very unlikely that this could be noticeably smaller/lighter and still perform well.

Unless using some extreme design (Otus etc), the size/weight are limited by the focal length and aperture. At 56/1.4, this has a physical aperture opening larger than the Panasonic and Olympus 42-45 1.2 lenses, but it's significantly smaller and lighter than either.

For lenses of this focal length, covering the image circle isn't really a challenge (it is more so with wider lenses), so making a lens that covers a smaller image circle would be unlikely to make much difference.

Now, if they made a native 42.5/1.4 or so, I'm sure they could get the size down a little, but it's pretty clear that Sigma has no interest in M43 only lenses, and for good reason.
Thanks for taking the time to explain this. Didn't realize... I extrapolated from another thread where someone used a telephoto lens {don't remember, l think it was APS-C} with a Viltrox focal reducer and wondered why there wasn't a dedicated MFT lens with those spec's and perhaps smaller size /weight. That may be the reason then...

Although when I look at my 45/1.8 it seems teensy and the step up to 1.4 not that large. Interesting stuff...
 
Nice, although one contemplates if they would make one dedicated to MFT it could be even smaller/lighter. Price/performance seems to be right on.
It is very unlikely that this could be noticeably smaller/lighter and still perform well.

Unless using some extreme design (Otus etc), the size/weight are limited by the focal length and aperture. At 56/1.4, this has a physical aperture opening larger than the Panasonic and Olympus 42-45 1.2 lenses, but it's significantly smaller and lighter than either.

For lenses of this focal length, covering the image circle isn't really a challenge (it is more so with wider lenses), so making a lens that covers a smaller image circle would be unlikely to make much difference.

Now, if they made a native 42.5/1.4 or so, I'm sure they could get the size down a little, but it's pretty clear that Sigma has no interest in M43 only lenses, and for good reason.
Thanks for taking the time to explain this. Didn't realize... I extrapolated from another thread where someone used a telephoto lens {don't remember, l think it was APS-C} with a Viltrox focal reducer and wondered why there wasn't a dedicated MFT lens with those spec's and perhaps smaller size /weight. That may be the reason then...

Although when I look at my 45/1.8 it seems teensy and the step up to 1.4 not that large. Interesting stuff...
Hey no worries, I'm not an optical engineer but this is how I understand it from reading a bunch of stuff from people smarter than me. From what I understand, the faster the lens the harder it is to correct for aberrations, so a larger and more complex design is generally needed. So the jump from 1.7 to 1.4, and then to 1.2, can be rather significant.

A good example would be:

Olympus 25/1.8: 135g

Panasonic 24/1.4: 200g

Olympus 25/1.2: 410g

Of course there are other factors here like the overall build quality and weather sealing that add to the weight, but for the most part it's the focal length and aperture that are the determining factors.

There may be some obscure examples of aps-c+speedboost combos that would theoretically be possible, but just haven't been produce for M43. I'm curious to know which combo you're thinking of.
 
I think it was a Sigma 50-150? Don't really want to side-track this too far though...
 
Now, if they made a native 42.5/1.4 or so, I'm sure they could get the size down a little, but it's pretty clear that Sigma has no interest in M43 only lenses, and for good reason.
They seem plenty interested in making m43 only lenses, just not selling them under the Sigma brand.
I think you misread the quote. No sigma lenses are made only for m4/3 but they are designed first for sony aps bodies and then made available for m4/3 .. hence the sometimes odd focal lengths

Harold
The Olympus 75 1.8 and 25 1.8 are Sigma lenses sold under the Olympus brand.
It should clear from the context that I was talking about lenses produced by and sold with the Sigma brand name. Of which they have produced zero so far.

Whether Sigma may have designed lenses for a different company is neither here nor there.
Are you saying that the name on the side of the lens matters more than who designed and manufactured it? This is honestly a pretty bizarre point of view. The reality is that Sigma manufactures at least two m43 only lenses that we know of and significantly more based on some hints from Roger at LR.
 
Why would you spend over $1K for the O&P f42.5 & 45 f1.2 lenses with this available? I'd rather have this lens and a 42.5/45 f1.7/1.8 for less money!
Lots of people would argue: Why would you spend almost $500 for the Sigma 56/1.4 when you can get the 42.5/45 f1.7/1.8 in the first place for between $250-350 (and much less used, of course)?
 
Surprising amount of pin cushion distortion given that it's a fixed focal length lens. Easily correctable, though.
 
Another review of the Sigma 56mm f1.4 this time with some promising looking sample images:

https://www.cameralabs.com/sigma-56mm-f1-4-review/

So far, only tested on Sony APS-C rather than Micro 43...but it seems the lens is excellent for sharpness, bokeh and overall image quality. Oh, and for physical build quality too.

Although the longer Micro 43 equivalent focal length compensates somewhat...the Sony will still have a bit more bokeh than us, due to their lesser crop factor.

The Ephotozine review mentions pincushion distortion, but then says Micro 43 should correct for this automatically in software. Is this the case for jpeg? For RAW?
 
The Ephotozine review mentions pincushion distortion, but then says Micro 43 should correct for this automatically in software. Is this the case for jpeg? For RAW?
Generally Panasonic cameras correct for distortion in Panasonic lenses and Olympus cameras correct for distortion in Olympus lenses, but I don't know if they do the same for each others' lenses or third party lenses.
 
Sigma colours seem off to me compared to Olympus. For a portrait lens, its hard to beat the 45 1.8 and the 75 1.8, this one sits in the middle at 56 albeit a 1.4, so not sure how it will do for 4/3 but it is another choice.
 
Now, if they made a native 42.5/1.4 or so, I'm sure they could get the size down a little, but it's pretty clear that Sigma has no interest in M43 only lenses, and for good reason.
They seem plenty interested in making m43 only lenses, just not selling them under the Sigma brand.
I think you misread the quote. No sigma lenses are made only for m4/3 but they are designed first for sony aps bodies and then made available for m4/3 .. hence the sometimes odd focal lengths

Harold
The Olympus 75 1.8 and 25 1.8 are Sigma lenses sold under the Olympus brand.
It should clear from the context that I was talking about lenses produced by and sold with the Sigma brand name. Of which they have produced zero so far.

Whether Sigma may have designed lenses for a different company is neither here nor there.
Are you saying that the name on the side of the lens matters more than who designed and manufactured it? This is honestly a pretty bizarre point of view. The reality is that Sigma manufactures at least two m43 only lenses that we know of and significantly more based on some hints from Roger at LR.
I'm dumbfounded as to how you're getting confused here. I can only assume you're being purposefully obtuse at this point.

All I am saying is that it is very unlikely that Sigma will produce, market, and release any M43 exclusive lenses under the Sigma brand. Full stop. I made no statements with regard to how important the brand name is. Sigma's economic considerations are very different for a lens they produce under their own brand vs a lens they may be contracted to design or manufacture, and this is the primary reason why it is unlikely we will see M43 exclusive lenses sold under the Sigma brand name.

I am aware of the patents and rumors of Sigma's involvement with certain Olympus and Panasonic lenses. Whether Sigma has designed or produced lenses for other companies is completely irrelevant to the point I was making. I never suggested Sigma is incapable of producing M43 lenses, clearly they, and any decent lens manufacture have the capability to do such a thing.
 
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Why would you spend over $1K for the O&P f42.5 & 45 f1.2 lenses with this available? I'd rather have this lens and a 42.5/45 f1.7/1.8 for less money!
Lots of people would argue: Why would you spend almost $500 for the Sigma 56/1.4 when you can get the 42.5/45 f1.7/1.8 in the first place for between $250-350 (and much less used, of course)?
Because the ratio of size/weight/speed and ability to blur the background vs price is very good for the 56/1.4. Sure, it's bigger, heavier and more expensive than the 1.7 and 1.8 lenses, but not disproportionally so. If you want more background blur than the 1.7 and 1.8, it provides it with the minimum size, weight and price.

See the chart I posted here: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4335693#forum-post-61874342
 
All I am saying is that it is very unlikely that Sigma will produce, market, and release any M43 exclusive lenses under the Sigma brand. Full stop. I made no statements with regard to how important the brand name is.
Do you not understand that the first and third sentences above are contradictory?
Sigma's economic considerations are very different for a lens they produce under their own brand vs a lens they may be contracted to design or manufacture, and this is the primary reason why it is unlikely we will see M43 exclusive lenses sold under the Sigma brand name.
The context of what you originally wrote was clearly aimed at lenses that were designed for m43 btw, not just branded as Sigma.
At 56/1.4, this has a physical aperture opening larger than the Panasonic and Olympus 42-45 1.2 lenses, but it's significantly smaller and lighter than either.

For lenses of this focal length, covering the image circle isn't really a challenge (it is more so with wider lenses), so making a lens that covers a smaller image circle would be unlikely to make much difference.

Now, if they made a native 42.5/1.4 or so, I'm sure they could get the size down a little, but it's pretty clear that Sigma has no interest in M43 only lenses, and for good reason.
I am aware of the patents and rumors of Sigma's involvement with certain Olympus and Panasonic lenses. Whether Sigma has designed or produced lenses for other companies is completely irrelevant to the point I was making. I never suggested Sigma is incapable of producing M43 lenses, clearly they, and any decent lens manufacture have the capability to do such a thing.
I agree that you never suggested they were incapable, but you definitely suggested that they have no interest in building m43 only lenses which is simply not true.
 
Sigma colours seem off to me compared to Olympus. For a portrait lens, its hard to beat the 45 1.8 and the 75 1.8, this one sits in the middle at 56 albeit a 1.4, so not sure how it will do for 4/3 but it is another choice.
we should wait for samples shot on Olympus bodies , and not only for the colours, the ones from cameralabs were shot on APSC Sony A6000

so far this lens looks very promising to me
 
I think it was a Sigma 50-150? Don't really want to side-track this too far though...
Ah yeah, so let's have a look at that. The Sigma 50-100 with a speed booster would be roughly a 35-70/1.3. It would also weigh about 1600g or so.

Olympus made a couple F2 zooms (14-35 & 35-100) in the 43 days. I read once that these were essentially 2.8 FF SLR zoom designs with a built in 0.5x focal reducer, and that they were really 1.4 lenses mechanically stopped down to 2.0. I'm not sure if that is accurate, but it makes some sense considering these lenses were about as big and heavy as their 2.8 FF contemporaries. The 35-100/2 is about 1600g, or roughly the same size as that Sigma lens with a speed booster.

F1.4-2 zoom lenses could certainly be made for M43, but it's really a question of how big, heavy and expensive they would be, and of course, how many people would be in the market for such lenses with M43 bodies.

Another interesting thing to ponder is variable aperture lenses. Usually with fixed aperture zoom lenses, the aperture on the wide end is mechanically stopped down to keep a constant aperture. So would it be possible to have something like a 35-100 F1.8-2.8 that wasn't terribly big or heavy? I think a lens like that would be very attractive for M43.
 
Now, if they made a native 42.5/1.4 or so, I'm sure they could get the size down a little, but it's pretty clear that Sigma has no interest in M43 only lenses, and for good reason.
They seem plenty interested in making m43 only lenses, just not selling them under the Sigma brand.
I think you misread the quote. No sigma lenses are made only for m4/3 but they are designed first for sony aps bodies and then made available for m4/3 .. hence the sometimes odd focal lengths

Harold
The Olympus 75 1.8 and 25 1.8 are Sigma lenses sold under the Olympus brand.
It should clear from the context that I was talking about lenses produced by and sold with the Sigma brand name. Of which they have produced zero so far.

Whether Sigma may have designed lenses for a different company is neither here nor there.
Are you saying that the name on the side of the lens matters more than who designed and manufactured it? This is honestly a pretty bizarre point of view. The reality is that Sigma manufactures at least two m43 only lenses that we know of and significantly more based on some hints from Roger at LR.
Designing or producing for an other company has non trivial differences.
If Signa produces a large batch for Olympus, they then don't need to worry about marketing, distribution, inventory, customer service and probably most importantly : profit. I may have forgotten a few variables. But you get the point.
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What we know is that:
A) they are willing to do that for Olympus and of course, Olympus must want more of such partnership for any other lenses to ever be produced that fashion. Panasonic can act as a substitute for Olympus for that matter, but it remains a pas-de-deux.
B) Regardless of any future partnership or lack thereof, it doesn't mean that Sigma would ever produces on their own native m43 lenses. In fact, we think they wont. Period. That is the whole point of this argument.
 
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Why would you spend over $1K for the O&P f42.5 & 45 f1.2 lenses with this available? I'd rather have this lens and a 42.5/45 f1.7/1.8 for less money!
Lots of people would argue: Why would you spend almost $500 for the Sigma 56/1.4 when you can get the 42.5/45 f1.7/1.8 in the first place for between $250-350 (and much less used, of course)?
Because the ratio of size/weight/speed and ability to blur the background vs price is very good for the 56/1.4. Sure, it's bigger, heavier and more expensive than the 1.7 and 1.8 lenses, but not disproportionally so. If you want more background blur than the 1.7 and 1.8, it provides it with the minimum size, weight and price.

See the chart I posted here: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4335693#forum-post-61874342
I do not think that the background blur difference should be the deciding factor for choosing between these lenses. Price, size and ABOVE ALL the focal length difference should determine the choice

Harold
 

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