X-t20 switching to Electronic shutter

user061018 · Nov 27, 2017

I've been walking around with a visitor who has just purchased a new X-T20 which seems to be automatically switching to electronic shutter on it's own. It's his first camera and I'm not familiar enough with the Fuji menu and setting structure to figure out what's causing this. I'm hoping for some input on this as my quick searches seem not to have gotten any results on whether this is setting related or indicative of some type issue.

left eye · Nov 27, 2017

The camera is set to MS+ES, which is the best setting. The camera automatically uses MS for higher shutter speeds where the ES would be too slow, and ES for slower shutter speeds were shutter vibration could be an issue.

The Shooting Menus (SHOOTING SETTING)

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All Fuji cameras offer these modes, including the auto shutter mode, even the GFX 50S - where with its large shutter the auto switching to ES is a noticeable advantage for handheld shots.

Exit10 · Nov 27, 2017

left eye said:
The camera is set to MS+ES, which is the best setting. The camera automatically uses MS for higher shutter speeds where the ES would be too slow, and ES for slower shutter speeds were shutter vibration could be an issue.

http://fujifilm-dsc.com/en/manual/x-t20/menu_shooting/shooting_setting/index.html#shutter_type

All Fuji cameras offer these modes, including the auto shutter mode, even the GFX 50S - where with its large shutter the auto switching to ES is a noticeable advantage for handheld shots.

If it is happening automatically then likely the camera is set to MS+ES as mentioned above.

The camera would be set to program mode or shutter priority and the shutter speed chosen would have been faster than 1/4000 which is only possible for ES.

If you post a jpeg straight out of the camera we can tell for sure from the EXIF.

user061018 · Nov 27, 2017

Thanks. In the shutter selection menu there are three options - MS, MS+ES and Electronic Shutter. I'm pretty sure after the first time I set it to MS but I'll look into it further to make sure it wasn't changing shooting modes (he's certain he did not change it accidentally in the settings), that caused it to change from mechanical to electronic.

user061018 · Nov 27, 2017

It seems to be happening again. I picked it up this morning and it was in ES mode. All I did was change the focusing mode from S to C and back to Single. I also changed the AF from Zone to Wide. No other settings were changed.

None of the other settings seem to have automatically changed themselves apart from this, so it's weird.I don't have a lot of time to go into the menu but even if I did, I wouldn't know what to look for that might be causing the shutter to switch to ES after having been put to MS. I'll try a reset and have him use the original battery instead of switching between the non OEM one that was supplied just to rule that out.

Bill Ferris · Nov 27, 2017

To select the shutter setting your friend wants to use...

Press the "Menu/OK" button on the back of the camera
Use the directional pads to scroll to the camera icon
Scroll down the list to "Shutter Type"
Select MS

The electronic shutter is only needed in special situations where a shutter speed faster than 1/4000-second is called for. If your friend is doing general travel photography, the mechanical shutter will do the job.

TomasT · Nov 27, 2017

a hit of meth said:
It seems to be happening again. I picked it up this morning and it was in ES mode. All I did was change the focusing mode from S to C and back to Single. I also changed the AF from Zone to Wide. No other settings were changed.

None of the other settings seem to have automatically changed themselves apart from this, so it's weird.I don't have a lot of time to go into the menu but even if I did, I wouldn't know what to look for that might be causing the shutter to switch to ES after having been put to MS. I'll try a reset and have him use the original battery instead of switching between the non OEM one that was supplied just to rule that out.

This occured to me several times, until i found out that i accidentally configured a button for MS-ES selection.

When you touch that button, ES is selected without noticing it. It changes in the menu on the display, but it is hard to notice. So try your buttons and see if there is anything changing.

I think my button was hold accidentally for a few seconds, so it got in to configure mode. Then ES was selected, and from then on the button function causes the change from MS to ES.

(excuse me for my english, i am not a native speaker ;-)

rlmack · Nov 28, 2017

TomasT said:
a hit of meth said:

It seems to be happening again. I picked it up this morning and it was in ES mode. All I did was change the focusing mode from S to C and back to Single. I also changed the AF from Zone to Wide. No other settings were changed.

None of the other settings seem to have automatically changed themselves apart from this, so it's weird.I don't have a lot of time to go into the menu but even if I did, I wouldn't know what to look for that might be causing the shutter to switch to ES after having been put to MS. I'll try a reset and have him use the original battery instead of switching between the non OEM one that was supplied just to rule that out.

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This occured to me several times, until i found out that i accidentally configured a button for MS-ES selection.

When you touch that button, ES is selected without noticing it. It is changing in the menu on the display, but it is hard to notice.

So try your buttons and see if there is anything changing.

(excuse me for my english, i am not a native speaker ;-)

If this is what happened, it won't necessarily show up in the display. I intentionally set a button to toggle between MS and ES, but nothing changed on my screen when I hit the button, and I couldn't figure out what was wrong. Turns out I didn't have the shutter mode item ticked on the menu where you choose which items you want displayed on the VF/back screen.

Father Bouvier · Nov 28, 2017

left eye said:
The camera is set to MS+ES, which is the best setting. The camera automatically uses MS for higher shutter speeds where the ES would be too slow, and ES for slower shutter speeds were shutter vibration could be an issue.

It's the opposite. In MS+ES mode, the camera uses MS for the normal shutter speeds, and uses ES for extended shutter speeds higher than 1/4000, which is the maximum for the mechanical shutter. It doesn't do anything automatically for shutter shock reduction.

left eye said:
http://fujifilm-dsc.com/en/manual/x-t20/menu_shooting/shooting_setting/index.html#shutter_type

All Fuji cameras offer these modes, including the auto shutter mode, even the GFX 50S - where with its large shutter the auto switching to ES is a noticeable advantage for handheld shots.

Threaded · Nov 28, 2017

left eye said:
The camera is set to MS+ES, which is the best setting.

I have to disagree with MS+ES being the "best" setting. As great as the electronic shutter is when used appropriately, it can have some very negative effects also (distortion of moving subjects, banding in some types of artificial light etc) and the camera alone is not intelligent enough to avoid using it in those situations, so it's really not "best" to leave that to auto IMO. You're better off spending the time to understand how the ES works and when you should or shouldn't make that conscious decision to use it.

To the OP - my bet would be on a function button having been set, and getting knocked accidentally. Go to the set up menu, button/dial setting, function buttons, and see if "shutter" is in the list.

left eye · Nov 28, 2017

Father Bouvier said:
left eye said:

The camera is set to MS+ES, which is the best setting. The camera automatically uses MS for higher shutter speeds where the ES would be too slow, and ES for slower shutter speeds were shutter vibration could be an issue.

Click to expand...

It's the opposite. In MS+ES mode, the camera uses MS for the normal shutter speeds, and uses ES for extended shutter speeds higher than 1/4000, which is the maximum for the mechanical shutter. It doesn't do anything automatically for shutter shock reduction.

..yes I realise this now, my experience is with the GFX which has MS+EFCS, electronic first curtain shutter which the camera chooses for slow to midrange shutter speeds and really helps eliminate vibration. Anyway it seems the XT's are different.

Father Bouvier said:
Father Bouvier said:

http://fujifilm-dsc.com/en/manual/x-t20/menu_shooting/shooting_setting/index.html#shutter_type

All Fuji cameras offer these modes, including the auto shutter mode, even the GFX 50S - where with its large shutter the auto switching to ES is a noticeable advantage for handheld shots.

Click to expand...

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Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.

user061018 · Nov 28, 2017

TomasT said:
a hit of meth said:

It seems to be happening again. I picked it up this morning and it was in ES mode. All I did was change the focusing mode from S to C and back to Single. I also changed the AF from Zone to Wide. No other settings were changed.

None of the other settings seem to have automatically changed themselves apart from this, so it's weird.I don't have a lot of time to go into the menu but even if I did, I wouldn't know what to look for that might be causing the shutter to switch to ES after having been put to MS. I'll try a reset and have him use the original battery instead of switching between the non OEM one that was supplied just to rule that out.

Click to expand...

This occured to me several times, until i found out that i accidentally configured a button for MS-ES selection.

When you touch that button, ES is selected without noticing it. It changes in the menu on the display, but it is hard to notice. So try your buttons and see if there is anything changing.

I think my button was hold accidentally for a few seconds, so it got in to configure mode. Then ES was selected, and from then on the button function causes the change from MS to ES.

(excuse me for my english, i am not a native speaker ;-)

Thanks everyone. I noticed shortly after posting it was the directional buttons set to shortcuts, with the right directional button cycling through the shutter settings. The display was set to only show the shooting settings and information while the shutter button was pressed which did not help, but I was eventually able to notice it on the bottom corner while playing around with the camera.
I don't know why I did not notice it sooner, the shortcuts are one of the first things I configure for myself but I'm glad it's not an issue like I origianlly thought.

Photandya · Sep 18, 2018

Hello

As seen in XT-20 menu, three types of shutters are mentioned One is manual shutter, second is Electronic shutter and third is , manual + electronic shutter in my newest Fujifilm.

What I found is, manual shutter and Manual + electronic shutter is on display. Electronic shutter which is useful for street photography, is missing.

Is it because of firmware or anything else ?

Will you please guide me ?

Thanks in advance.

user061018 · Sep 18, 2018

Photandya said:
Hello

As seen in XT-20 menu, three types of shutters are mentioned One is manual shutter, second is Electronic shutter and third is , manual + electronic shutter in my newest Fujifilm.

What I found is, manual shutter and Manual + electronic shutter is on display. Electronic shutter which is useful for street photography, is missing.

Is it because of firmware or anything else ?

Will you please guide me ?

Thanks in advance.

I'm no longer in possession of the camera but I think it may be due to your shooting mode? Could you check if you are in Auto mode. Flash does not work with electronic shutter so if you are in auto mode it may be a reason for the firmware to prevent the user from manually selecting it.

It's just a guess, I'm probably wrong but I'm sure someone will come by with the right answer.

seegeeb · Sep 18, 2018

user061018 said:
Photandya said:

Hello

As seen in XT-20 menu, three types of shutters are mentioned One is manual shutter, second is Electronic shutter and third is , manual + electronic shutter in my newest Fujifilm.

What I found is, manual shutter and Manual + electronic shutter is on display. Electronic shutter which is useful for street photography, is missing.

Is it because of firmware or anything else ?

Will you please guide me ?

Thanks in advance.

Click to expand...

I'm no longer in possession of the camera but I think it may be due to your shooting mode? Could you check if you are in Auto mode. Flash does not work with electronic shutter so if you are in auto mode it may be a reason for the firmware to prevent the user from manually selecting it.

It's just a guess, I'm probably wrong but I'm sure someone will come by with the right answer.

Yes, this.

In Auto mode, only M and M+E are available in the Menu. There's no E shutter option.

Photandya · Sep 19, 2018

Tones of thanks for your feedback and valueable suggestion.

Will check at my end.

Thanks once again.

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