Fuji JPEG editing do or don't?

I often re-edit Fuji JPG files.

I do it because it's convenient, easy and can be done on my phone in Google Photos.

But mostly I do it to annoy the sort of people who get angry on the internet about what other people do with their own cameras. :-)
 
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Fuji Silkypix does RAF to TIFF conversion. (This is a little off topic, since the point here was that Fuji OOC JPG is a better starting point towards finished photo as opposed to RAF)
I don't think it was implied that the OOC JPEG was a better starting point only that it may be an acceptable route to take that required less effort. Given the option to create and process an RAF file I will never fail to produce a superior final image compared to the camera's JPEG.
I fully agree with your statement. Time is precious though.
Yes. That's why I shoot and process raw files -- so much faster than trying to repair JPEGs.
 
Ysarex,

Please explain your user name. I have always thought it was catchy. I also realize now that you are a genius or at least one of the smartest men (or women) on this forum.

Your comments about the compromise we call OOC JPEG is spot on (as the Brits say).

For me, JPEGS are just for exporting from RAW to be emailed to my family or posted on Flickr at whatever size and quality I desire.

That is the only purpose of a JPEG.

But I admit that JPEGs are used by 99.9% of all humanity every day. They like to take pictures with their phone.

I do not.

Wait -- I did use my Google Pixel 2 phone camera once last month. I snapped a picture of the parking spot number I was parked in at the airport because as time goes by, I forget almost everything like that.

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
 
But I admit that JPEGs are used by 99.9% of all humanity every day. They like to take pictures with their phone.

I do not.
I am glad we all were able to make you feel good about yourself.
I need all the help I can get. I am in Houston visiting my 30 year-old daughter and she gave me a 20 minute lecture about how silly it is to carry a shoulder bag with a camera and 3 lenses inside it. And when I set up two off-camera Speedlites to light the room that my 14 month old Granddaughter was running around in, they thought I had lost my mind (as they happily produced technically terrible images of the little girl while waving around their phone with one hand and snapping away....

My self-esteem is shattered.

That's why I need you guys.

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
 
Ysarex,

Please explain your user name. I have always thought it was catchy.
Camera makers (especially German) of the early to mid 20th century named their various lens designs. Kodak Ektar, Zeiss Planar, Zeiss Biogon, Schneider Xenotar, Leica Summilux, Canon Serenar, etc.. An old favorite lens of mine was Rodenstock's Ysarex. The practice has since faded.
 
Hi all. This question has been bothering me lately. I shoot raw + jpeg but find it's so much easier getting the look I want wether B&W or COLOR by just editing the jpeg file I Lightroom. I honestly can't see any degradation of the file. Tweak the tone curve, adjust whites, blacks, exposure, reduce saturation, vignette or whatever. Probably the only thing I don't do is sharpen.

I know, why don't I just do the same to the raw file? Because it just takes a lot longer. A lot. And multiply by 100+ images and kiss your evening good bye.

So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!
This is a great question and it mirrors my experiences over the last 18 months or so.

Change in cameras (Nikon FF to X-Pro2), change in post processing (DxO not support Fuji RAW), change in subject matter and a change in Asset Management (whining Aperture ex-user). Taken together these caused me to look long and hard at my workflow. Overall I'm happy I did.

After many years of film, actually getting it right in camera is an obsession. I almost never shoot with an expectation of "fixing" it later. What I've found is:

1) Fuji JPG's are frighteningly good, great for 90+% of my needs;

2) After culling I use Athentech's Perfectly Clear on my keepers. Batch processing, very simple to use;

3) With careful processing of RAW files in Iridient and other software I'm able to approach the quality of the JPG's...usually...but that's about it. Working the JPG's gives me more satisfactory output.

After an evening's shoot I may return with 700+ images. Processing that many RAW files was taking me 2 days. Now I review and rate the JPG's. Then I send the keepers to Perfectly Clear and go have something to eat. Later I review the results and do any cropping or minor touch up I desire. Entire process including dinner...2 1/2 to 3 hours.

Thank you Fuji.
 
Ysarex,

Please explain your user name. I have always thought it was catchy.
Camera makers (especially German) of the early to mid 20th century named their various lens designs. Kodak Ektar, Zeiss Planar, Zeiss Biogon, Schneider Xenotar, Leica Summilux, Canon Serenar, etc.. An old favorite lens of mine was Rodenstock's Ysarex. The practice has since faded.
I should have Googled that term and I would have found the lens. It sounded very familiar to me. I know I came across that in my childhood because my Dad was a huge camera guy and I bet that lens was in his stash. I remember that name from back then. Very clever user name. I should never have used my real first name when I started here on this Board. But Greg is common enough that if the Board members send a team of arm-breakers down to San Antonio, hey will have to do at least 25 minutes of detective work to find me. 😀

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
 
I shoot for a very busy studio that covers corporate events. We shoot jpegs 100% of the time and edit them if need be. Been doing it since the switch to digital.

So yes, editing your jpeg, at least just once is fine And seriously, who edits a jpeg, saves, edits again, saves, etc, etc.? No one. If your going to do that, turn the jpeg into a Photoshop file and make adjustment layers and save that over and over.

Your fine.
 
You do realise Greg that as Fuji's No.1 global cheerleader you've now mortally offended those nice guys and girls in the Fuji Labs who've worked so hard to give us these wonderful JPEGs and film sims! The next camera will be RAW ONLY! And we know who to blame... 😫
 
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But I admit that JPEGs are used by 99.9% of all humanity every day. They like to take pictures with their phone.

I do not.
I am glad we all were able to make you feel good about yourself.
I need all the help I can get. I am in Houston visiting my 30 year-old daughter and she gave me a 20 minute lecture about how silly it is to carry a shoulder bag with a camera and 3 lenses inside it. And when I set up two off-camera Speedlites to light the room that my 14 month old Granddaughter was running around in, they thought I had lost my mind (as they happily produced technically terrible images of the little girl while waving around their phone with one hand and snapping away....

My self-esteem is shattered.

That's why I need you guys.

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
https://www.flickr.com/photos/139148982@N02/albums
Don't tell her how much time you spend editing raw file then instead of visiting her or your granddaughter 😉
 
Hi all. This question has been bothering me lately. I shoot raw + jpeg but find it's so much easier getting the look I want wether B&W or COLOR by just editing the jpeg file I Lightroom. I honestly can't see any degradation of the file. Tweak the tone curve, adjust whites, blacks, exposure, reduce saturation, vignette or whatever. Probably the only thing I don't do is sharpen.

I know, why don't I just do the same to the raw file? Because it just takes a lot longer. A lot. And multiply by 100+ images and kiss your evening good bye.

So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!
This is a great question and it mirrors my experiences over the last 18 months or so.

Change in cameras (Nikon FF to X-Pro2), change in post processing (DxO not support Fuji RAW), change in subject matter and a change in Asset Management (whining Aperture ex-user). Taken together these caused me to look long and hard at my workflow. Overall I'm happy I did.

After many years of film, actually getting it right in camera is an obsession. I almost never shoot with an expectation of "fixing" it later. What I've found is:

1) Fuji JPG's are frighteningly good, great for 90+% of my needs;

2) After culling I use Athentech's Perfectly Clear on my keepers. Batch processing, very simple to use;

3) With careful processing of RAW files in Iridient and other software I'm able to approach the quality of the JPG's...usually...but that's about it. Working the JPG's gives me more satisfactory output.

After an evening's shoot I may return with 700+ images. Processing that many RAW files was taking me 2 days. Now I review and rate the JPG's. Then I send the keepers to Perfectly Clear and go have something to eat. Later I review the results and do any cropping or minor touch up I desire. Entire process including dinner...2 1/2 to 3 hours.

Thank you Fuji.
 
I shoot for a very busy studio that covers corporate events. We shoot jpegs 100% of the time and edit them if need be. Been doing it since the switch to digital.

So yes, editing your jpeg, at least just once is fine And seriously, who edits a jpeg, saves, edits again, saves, etc, etc.? No one. If your going to do that, turn the jpeg into a Photoshop file and make adjustment layers and save that over and over.

Your fine.
 
But I admit that JPEGs are used by 99.9% of all humanity every day. They like to take pictures with their phone.

I do not.
I am glad we all were able to make you feel good about yourself.
I need all the help I can get. I am in Houston visiting my 30 year-old daughter and she gave me a 20 minute lecture about how silly it is to carry a shoulder bag with a camera and 3 lenses inside it. And when I set up two off-camera Speedlites to light the room that my 14 month old Granddaughter was running around in, they thought I had lost my mind (as they happily produced technically terrible images of the little girl while waving around their phone with one hand and snapping away....

My self-esteem is shattered.

That's why I need you guys.

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
https://www.flickr.com/photos/139148982@N02/albums
Don't tell her how much time you spend editing raw file then instead of visiting her or your granddaughter 😉
Thanks Todd, I think I will wait till I get home for post work on this one. 😃
 
First off, I don't use Lightroom, Photoshop, or Elements and I won't bore you with why.

With my X100T, X-E2, and X-T2, I shot RAW and used the in-camera converter to create the jpegs I wanted.

Now that the X100F is my only camera, I have gone back to shooting jpegs strains out of the camera. If I do want to make some min or corrections or put a more artistic style on a photo, I will use the Nik collection or Snapseed.

Bill S.
www.flickr.com/photos/wrs1946
instagram.com@billschaffel
“Sharpness is a bourgeois concept”
- Henri Cartier-Bresson -
 
You do realise Greg that as Fuji's No.1 global cheerleader you've now mortally offended those nice guys and girls in the Fuji Labs who've worked so hard to give us these wonderful JPEGs and film sims! The next camera will be RAW ONLY! And we know who to blame... 😫
Raw only and no video please. And the histogram depicts the actual raw file, not the embedded jpeg. Oh, and IBIS on the XT-4.

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
 
Hi all. This question has been bothering me lately. I shoot raw + jpeg but find it's so much easier getting the look I want wether B&W or COLOR by just editing the jpeg file I Lightroom. I honestly can't see any degradation of the file. Tweak the tone curve, adjust whites, blacks, exposure, reduce saturation, vignette or whatever. Probably the only thing I don't do is sharpen.

I know, why don't I just do the same to the raw file? Because it just takes a lot longer. A lot. And multiply by 100+ images and kiss your evening good bye.

So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!
Hm, I bought a camera for its 14 bit color depth, and then go with the JPGs only? Not for me :)

My workflow in LR: I apply the approbiate camera profile first (most times the Astia simulation), and then do my edits on the file. You can do minor changes on the JPG as well, but if you change the colors a bit more (WB or color dynamic), you need the extra bits from the RAW.



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Markus
 
It's absolutely clear to everybody on this forum that RAW gives a lot more latitude, but I feel the RAW devotees under-estimate what can be done with a JPEG. Just look at the world of mobile photography and apps such as Snapseed and VSCO. The latter has a huge range of profiles that do change colour quite dramatically and successfully. I was quite surprised what can be done from a well exposed JPEG when I started uploading my shots to phone / tablet and using these apps. They might not pass the "perfection test" on DPR, but they're good enough for most people's output and purposes IMO. We should celebrate the fact that Fuji give us a great starting point for those who prefer to use JPEGs or whose mobile workflow pretty much demands it!
 
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