EF lenses

gezzamondo · Sep 8, 2018

I'm sure I won't be the only one who is extremely frustrated with canons decision to change the mount fir their mirror less camera.

I've got so many EF lenses and I keep reading reviews about the adapters causing the autofocus not to perform correctly

Are all future canon mirrorless cameras going to use the new mount and all EF lenses will require an adapter?

I'm so tempted just to sell all my canon equipment and move to Sony, I've waited so long to see what canon release in competition with Sony and Nikon and to be honest, it's been a complete let down

legit2cents · Sep 8, 2018

As far as I know the adapters haven't been tested. I'm sure they will be fine. Your gear list states that you have EF-S lenses. Bee happy they made one for those as well. Can't see the problem.

dgumshu · Sep 8, 2018

gezzamondo said:
I'm sure I won't be the only one who is extremely frustrated with canons decision to change the mount fir their mirror less camera.

I've got so many EF lenses and I keep reading reviews about the adapters causing the autofocus not to perform correctly

Are all future canon mirrorless cameras going to use the new mount and all EF lenses will require an adapter?

I'm so tempted just to sell all my canon equipment and move to Sony, I've waited so long to see what canon release in competition with Sony and Nikon and to be honest, it's been a complete let down

You're confusing third party adapters using Canon glass on Brand X bodies.

Canon R-EF Adapters should work as well as Native on Native... according to Canon. While I would have preferred not to adapt, Original Canon on Canon won't bother me.

Canon also continues to release EF glass, so it will be around for a while.

diness · Sep 8, 2018

dgumshu said:
gezzamondo said:

I'm sure I won't be the only one who is extremely frustrated with canons decision to change the mount fir their mirror less camera.

I've got so many EF lenses and I keep reading reviews about the adapters causing the autofocus not to perform correctly

Are all future canon mirrorless cameras going to use the new mount and all EF lenses will require an adapter?

I'm so tempted just to sell all my canon equipment and move to Sony, I've waited so long to see what canon release in competition with Sony and Nikon and to be honest, it's been a complete let down

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You're confusing third party adapters using Canon glass on Brand X bodies.

Canon R-EF Adapters should work as well as Native on Native... according to Canon. While I would have preferred not to adapt, Original Canon on Canon won't bother me.

Canon also continues to release EF glass, so it will be around for a while.

BirdShooter7 · Sep 8, 2018

Adapters are a temporary solution. I expect the Canon ones will work better than most but native lenses would definitely be preferable.

Alexsfo · Sep 8, 2018

gezzamondo said:
I'm sure I won't be the only one who is extremely frustrated with canons decision to change the mount fir their mirror less camera.

I've got so many EF lenses and I keep reading reviews about the adapters causing the autofocus not to perform correctly

Are all future canon mirrorless cameras going to use the new mount and all EF lenses will require an adapter?

I'm so tempted just to sell all my canon equipment and move to Sony, I've waited so long to see what canon release in competition with Sony and Nikon and to be honest, it's been a complete let down

The only reviews I’ve seen so far is that EF lenses perform the same as RF lenses. However, tracking AF espeically in low light seems to be faster with 5div, not sure about 6dii. I have no reservation using Canon adapter considering I can get one with the control ring or drop-in CPL and variable ND filters. This means our EF lenses will have additional functionality that is not available to us with EF mount cameras. I am still waitining for optical performance comparisons of EF lenses on EF mount vs RF mount. This is because Canon had stated that the sensor in the EOS R was optimized for short flange distance - I am afraid this may mean some performance hit (in the corners perhaps) with dslr lenses - hope not.

The only inconvinience of adapters when you have multiple EF lenses, you need to remove the adapter from one of the lenses and put it on another EF lense before you can mount it on EOS R body. Unless you own multiple adapters for each EF lens. In my case, I will only have two EF lenses if I switch to RF so not too bad. Loving their RF 35mm f1.8 and possibly 24-105 f4.

Lawn Lends · Sep 8, 2018

BirdShooter7 said:
Adapters are a temporary solution. I expect the Canon ones will work better than most but native lenses would definitely be preferable.

So when you use a Canon 1.4x or 2.0x TC with a Canon EF lens, you are not using a "native" lens with the camera?

Alexsfo · Sep 8, 2018

BirdShooter7 said:
Adapters are a temporary solution. I expect the Canon ones will work better than most but native lenses would definitely be preferable.

Doubt that, I bet Canon will continue releasing EF lenses. They have said so many times that RF mount is by no means a replacement of EF mount but rather an additional tool. I think only in 2020 (Olympis in Japan) everything will be clarified so no need for endless speculatations when every Canon representative so strongly insists RF mount is not a replacement of EF mount. Just like they will continue releasing EOS M lenses and bodies. Three mounts to cover all market needs.

olstrup · Sep 9, 2018

Alexsfo said:
The only inconvinience of adapters when you have multiple EF lenses, you need to remove the adapter from one of the lenses and put it on another EF lense before you can mount it on EOS R body.

Why take the adapter off the camera for every lens swap? Leave it on and it will be an extention of the camera body which will work like an EF camera body (mount wise that is). That way you can forget about the adapter.

Macro guy · Sep 9, 2018

gezzamondo said:
I'm sure I won't be the only one who is extremely frustrated with canons decision to change the mount fir their mirror less camera.

I've got so many EF lenses and I keep reading reviews about the adapters causing the autofocus not to perform correctly

Are all future canon mirrorless cameras going to use the new mount and all EF lenses will require an adapter?

Yes, that's correct.

gezzamondo said:
I'm so tempted just to sell all my canon equipment and move to Sony, I've waited so long to see what canon release in competition with Sony and Nikon and to be honest, it's been a complete let down

You could do that or you could keep your EF gear and move to Sony or you could keep your gear and get a Canon or you could keep your EF gear and get a Canon and Sony. The Canon R switches to native EF protocol when it senses the adapter, so your lenses will work the same as no adapter was present. However, since it's the camera that switches protocols, it's feasible that Canon will drop that feature some time in the future, thereby abandoning all EF lenses. At that point, I suspect there will be an EF to Nikon Z adapter, so you'll be able to shoot with your EF lenses on a Nikon camera or a Sony.

gezzamondo · Sep 9, 2018

This whole thing is so frustrating, especially after waiting so long for cannon to release something.

I'm really tempted just to sell everything and start again. I have a few EF sigma lenses which I love but I really don't want to start buying adapters for them.

I think the best option for me is to make the switch to a A7Riii and buy all the Sigma lenses again with the E mount.

Sony are still way ahead of everyone, I thought Canon would have released something that blew both Sony and Nikon out the water but they've not, they've had plenty of time to do it and have failed

robblackett · Sep 9, 2018

gezzamondo said:
This whole thing is so frustrating, especially after waiting so long for cannon to release something.

I'm really tempted just to sell everything and start again. I have a few EF sigma lenses which I love but I really don't want to start buying adapters for them.

I think the best option for me is to make the switch to a A7Riii and buy all the Sigma lenses again with the E mount.

Sony are still way ahead of everyone, I thought Canon would have released something that blew both Sony and Nikon out the water but they've not, they've had plenty of time to do it and have failed

I confess I don't really understand this need for something that "blows everything else out of the water". It's also a pretty crass phrase.

I wonder, do you really believe that the difference between brands is so great that you will gain much, if anything by switching? And will you do it again in a year or two when some other company comes up with something (theoretically) better?

Having said all that I'm not sure I take your post that seriously. If you've been waiting for cannon (sic) that long I'm surprised you haven't at least learned to spell it correctly.

Lawn Lends · Sep 9, 2018

gezzamondo said:
This whole thing is so frustrating, especially after waiting so long for cannon to release something.

I'm really tempted just to sell everything and start again. I have a few EF sigma lenses which I love but I really don't want to start buying adapters for them.

I think the best option for me is to make the switch to a A7Riii and buy all the Sigma lenses again with the E mount.

Sony are still way ahead of everyone, I thought Canon would have released something that blew both Sony and Nikon out the water but they've not, they've had plenty of time to do it and have failed

I own an A7r3 and would highly recommend it. That being said, I haven't sold my Canon EF lenses because they work generally fine with with a Metabones adapter. I bought one expensive native Sony lens (the Gmaster 70-200 f2.8) for it and that is all I plan to buy for Sony for the present.

That being said, I do plan on getting this EOS R and one adapter (maybe the new 3rd ring adapter if I read it is worth it). But you only need one adapter per R body unless there is a difference between the adapters you want to take advantage of, such as the filter tray.

This is the camera that the 6D2 should have been.

Am I disappointed that the EOS R doesnt have IBIS? Certainly. This means that it cant take full advantage of the higher-end AF lenses (which look really nice). It also wont work so well with my older EF lenses which dont have IS, such as my favorite 28-200 f2.8L. Of course, I have my Sony with the 24-200 Gmaster to use anyway, so that is not such a big deal to me. And I have been using this old Canon lens with my Canon 6D and have taken great photos with it without any stabilization, so it is really only certain situations where IS is important.

Nevertheless, this camera will be a great replacement and improvement over my 6D.

Macro guy · Sep 9, 2018

gezzamondo said:
This whole thing is so frustrating, especially after waiting so long for cannon to release something.

I'm really tempted just to sell everything and start again. I have a few EF sigma lenses which I love but I really don't want to start buying adapters for them.

I think the best option for me is to make the switch to a A7Riii and buy all the Sigma lenses again with the E mount.

Sony are still way ahead of everyone, I thought Canon would have released something that blew both Sony and Nikon out the water but they've not, they've had plenty of time to do it and have failed

You could do that, but unless you're shooting action, the EF adapter on the Sony should be fine. I would also be a bit weary with regard to Sony. Sony has a history of abandoning the market when the competition becomes stiff.

Alexsfo · Sep 9, 2018

olstrup said:
Alexsfo said:

The only inconvinience of adapters when you have multiple EF lenses, you need to remove the adapter from one of the lenses and put it on another EF lense before you can mount it on EOS R body.

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Why take the adapter off the camera for every lens swap? Leave it on and it will be an extention of the camera body which will work like an EF camera body (mount wise that is). That way you can forget about the adapter.

Lawn Lends · Sep 9, 2018

robblackett said:
gezzamondo said:

This whole thing is so frustrating, especially after waiting so long for cannon to release something.

I'm really tempted just to sell everything and start again. I have a few EF sigma lenses which I love but I really don't want to start buying adapters for them.

I think the best option for me is to make the switch to a A7Riii and buy all the Sigma lenses again with the E mount.

Sony are still way ahead of everyone, I thought Canon would have released something that blew both Sony and Nikon out the water but they've not, they've had plenty of time to do it and have failed

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I confess I don't really understand this need for something that "blows everything else out of the water". It's also a pretty crass phrase.

I am gonna have to cancel my order of anti-ship missiles with you.

BirdShooter7 · Sep 9, 2018

It definitely isn't ideal to have a separate TC. I have several worn out mounting flanges from my TC's that needed to be replaced over the years. This is part of why I would much prefer at least a built in 1.4x TC on my big tele lenses.

BirdShooter7 · Sep 9, 2018

They didn't say it wasn't a replacement for the mount. They repeatedly say that the R doesn't replace any current product. I'm sure that they will be releasing future EF lenses and EF mount bodies but it seems pretty clear that Canon sees the future as being mirrorless and RF mount. The adapters and EF lenses are transition products. In the compatibility video they even say use the lenses of today on the camera (RF mount) of the future... if they intend to release an EF mount mirrorless camera for telephoto use I would love to know about it sooner rather than later but it just doesn't seem to make much sense for them to do so. As nice as that new 600mm f/4 looks I am inclined to hold off on purchase of it until it is clear that they aren't planning on shifting the entire lens line to RF mount. If they are planning on release of RF mount telephoto lenses in the next 5 or so years then I would rather wait and get that.

robblackett · Sep 9, 2018

BirdShooter7 said:
It definitely isn't ideal to have a separate TC. I have several worn out mounting flanges from my TC's that needed to be replaced over the years. This is part of why I would much prefer at least a built in 1.4x TC on my big tele lenses.

I agree to a certain extent with what you have said and a built in switchable TC does have a certain appeal. However it does mean that lens will always be heavier and of greater bulk, even when you are not using the TC, if that is an issue.

But perhaps more importantly the built in system requires a different optical design in which the TC can be switched in and out, rather than the TC being simply positioned at the end between the lens and the body. That's not necessarily an issue with an optical formula designed from scratch to accommodate the TC but it would probably be somewhat more complex than just taking an existing optical formula and simply changing the housing. As such it's probably only practical on the longer focal lengths but that probably corresponds with what you indicated you want.

BirdShooter7 · Sep 9, 2018

The new lenses look like a new design to me so I'm guessing it wouldn't have been that much of a problem. Yes it will certainly add extra weight to add it to the lens and wouldn't make spec sheets quite as impressive, after all they did feel the need to undercut Sony on weight but just barely. For me it would be a significant improvement for usability and likely durability and the weight issue is negated for me since I have the 1.4x TC with me all the time anyway but now I have to find a place to put it and fiddle with caps when it's not on the lens. In any case it's a moot point for now as I doubt they will be releasing a TC model in the near future.

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