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Just curious. Wouldn't adapting the RF with it's shorter flange distance to EF bring a host of disadvantages like light loss/ loss of infinity focusing?
 
Jonneymendoza2 said:
DeeNikon said:
... how long do you think Canon will support the now obviously dying EF System?
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By 2020 dslr will be dead
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i think you are hiding your hear in the sand! there is a huge majority that do not participate in MILC hype...only gear heads! canikon will respond to DSLR needs for long time to come! what can one see in MILC that will entice them to ditch their BSLRs and join the MILC bandwagon...to gain what, small size, OVF, etc, etc? not compelling to me! so dream on ;-)
 
1Dx4me said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
DeeNikon said:
... how long do you think Canon will support the now obviously dying EF System?
Click to expand...
By 2020 dslr will be dead
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i think you are hiding your hear in the sand! there is a huge majority that do not participate in MILC hype...only gear heads! canikon will respond to DSLR needs for long time to come! what can one see in MILC that will entice them to ditch their BSLRs and join the MILC bandwagon...to gain what, small size, OVF, etc, etc? not compelling to me! so dream on ;-)
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1Dx4me said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
DeeNikon said:
... how long do you think Canon will support the now obviously dying EF System?
Click to expand...
By 2020 dslr will be dead
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i think you are hiding your hear in the sand! there is a huge majority that do not participate in MILC hype...only gear heads! canikon will respond to DSLR needs for long time to come! what can one see in MILC that will entice them to ditch their BSLRs and join the MILC bandwagon...to gain what, small size, OVF, etc, etc? not compelling to me! so dream on ;-)
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It seems like the only lenses that would really benefit from being redesigned are the short focal lengths.
 
TrackDayLT4 said:
1Dx4me said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
DeeNikon said:
... how long do you think Canon will support the now obviously dying EF System?
Click to expand...
By 2020 dslr will be dead
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i think you are hiding your hear in the sand! there is a huge majority that do not participate in MILC hype...only gear heads! canikon will respond to DSLR needs for long time to come! what can one see in MILC that will entice them to ditch their BSLRs and join the MILC bandwagon...to gain what, small size, OVF, etc, etc? not compelling to me! so dream on ;-)
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Yes, there is a lot of MILC hype.

But.... for the first time in 30 years, Canon has released a new mount!

More electrical contacts, more features, a modern refresh, AND it can't work on a Mirrored Body!

This is significant, Canon is a conservative Japanese company, they do not do this lightly. This is the leading indicator that Canon see's MILC as the future, not mirrored camera's.

To make this new RF mount successful, Canon will have to shift resources to RF lens development. EF lens development will slow along with EF camera development.

Look at Canon's historic FF and APSC lens releases;

2013 4 lenses

2014 6 lenses

2015 4 lenses

2016 7 lenses

2017 5 Lenses

2018 9 Lenses (includes RF and rumored Big Whites)

To build out the RF lens portfolio, they will need to release several RF lenses every year, that does not leave much for EF.

The next 5 years will see a big change for Canon, a big focus on their new RF mount.

How long will EF last? many more years, look at the EOS 1V, that was available for 18 years. On the other hand, the Canon 30D was released in 2000, and the last Canon film camera was released in 2004.

Change is coming, and it is for RF and the expense of EF. If you don't like it, that is quickly becoming a problem, where ya gonna go? Nikon is going to have to focus on it's MILC platform at the expense of mirrored, and of course Sony started the whole situation.

Hang on, it's going to be a ride!
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Yes, we’ve heard all that supposition before. Now show us the documentation to back it up.
 
1Dx4me said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
DeeNikon said:
... how long do you think Canon will support the now obviously dying EF System?
Click to expand...
By 2020 dslr will be dead
Click to expand...
i think you are hiding your hear in the sand! there is a huge majority that do not participate in MILC hype...only gear heads! canikon will respond to DSLR needs for long time to come! what can one see in MILC that will entice them to ditch their BSLRs and join the MILC bandwagon...to gain what, small size, OVF, etc, etc? not compelling to me! so dream on ;-)
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TrackDayLT4 said:
1Dx4me said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
DeeNikon said:
... how long do you think Canon will support the now obviously dying EF System?
Click to expand...
By 2020 dslr will be dead
Click to expand...
i think you are hiding your hear in the sand! there is a huge majority that do not participate in MILC hype...only gear heads! canikon will respond to DSLR needs for long time to come! what can one see in MILC that will entice them to ditch their BSLRs and join the MILC bandwagon...to gain what, small size, OVF, etc, etc? not compelling to me! so dream on ;-)
Click to expand...
Yes, there is a lot of MILC hype.

But.... for the first time in 30 years, Canon has released a new mount!

More electrical contacts, more features, a modern refresh, AND it can't work on a Mirrored Body!

This is significant, Canon is a conservative Japanese company, they do not do this lightly. This is the leading indicator that Canon see's MILC as the future, not mirrored camera's.

To make this new RF mount successful, Canon will have to shift resources to RF lens development. EF lens development will slow along with EF camera development.

Look at Canon's historic FF and APSC lens releases;

2013 4 lenses

2014 6 lenses

2015 4 lenses

2016 7 lenses

2017 5 Lenses

2018 9 Lenses (includes RF and rumored Big Whites)

To build out the RF lens portfolio, they will need to release several RF lenses every year, that does not leave much for EF.

The next 5 years will see a big change for Canon, a big focus on their new RF mount.

How long will EF last? many more years, look at the EOS 1V, that was available for 18 years. On the other hand, the Canon 30D was released in 2000, and the last Canon film camera was released in 2004.

Change is coming, and it is for RF and the expense of EF. If you don't like it, that is quickly becoming a problem, where ya gonna go? Nikon is going to have to focus on it's MILC platform at the expense of mirrored, and of course Sony started the whole situation.

Hang on, it's going to be a ride!
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i appreciate your response...and yeah, it is gonna be a ride, for sure ;-) i am not against MILC at all, i am glad we all have one more choice to think about! what irritates me is a few individuals that hammer their doom and gloom stories about DSLR cameras that have served me and a whole a lot of other people over the years. some of them are brave enough to say DSLRs died yesterday, can you imagine that ;-) well, i am not gonna dispute that in a long run! i think DSLRs are going to be around for a while, though. can you imagine how many EF lenses are out there, Millions of them, probably. this major change is going to take place but not in a week or a month.

while MIL cameras are good but if they feel horrid in my big hands? where would i go then? i am not anti-progress, i worked for a cutting edge technology corporation as an engineer so i know a little bit what is going on out there! i am desperately waiting for canon's 5Dsr II, if canon ever introduce that, that would be my last DSLR for as long as i live-- if i can get my hands on one of them!

i understand camera technology progresses quickly just like everything else but i hope canon/nikon don't shove their MILCs down user's throat just because it is progress! as i have stated, ergonomics of a camera is very important! those who want small ergonomics and size, that is fine, but i bet a huge majority won't be happy with these small body cameras! we'll see what transpires in the future!

peace.
 
Jonneymendoza2 said:
1Dx4me said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
DeeNikon said:
... how long do you think Canon will support the now obviously dying EF System?
Click to expand...
By 2020 dslr will be dead
Click to expand...
i think you are hiding your hear in the sand! there is a huge majority that do not participate in MILC hype...only gear heads! canikon will respond to DSLR needs for long time to come! what can one see in MILC that will entice them to ditch their BSLRs and join the MILC bandwagon...to gain what, small size, OVF, etc, etc? not compelling to me! so dream on ;-)
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If canikon force you to ditch your dslr then u all will move to MILC or take up another hobby/job .simple as that.

the next 1dx will be Mirrorless and that will be the start of the end of DSLR
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i have absolutely no problem with that! but what if people absolutely hate the small size the ergonomic of the new MILC? we'll see.
 
1Dx4me said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
1Dx4me said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
DeeNikon said:
... how long do you think Canon will support the now obviously dying EF System?
Click to expand...
By 2020 dslr will be dead
Click to expand...
i think you are hiding your hear in the sand! there is a huge majority that do not participate in MILC hype...only gear heads! canikon will respond to DSLR needs for long time to come! what can one see in MILC that will entice them to ditch their BSLRs and join the MILC bandwagon...to gain what, small size, OVF, etc, etc? not compelling to me! so dream on ;-)
Click to expand...
If canikon force you to ditch your dslr then u all will move to MILC or take up another hobby/job .simple as that.

the next 1dx will be Mirrorless and that will be the start of the end of DSLR
Click to expand...
i have absolutely no problem with that! but what if people absolutely hate the small size the ergonomic of the new MILC? we'll see.
Click to expand...
 
Jonneymendoza2 said:
1Dx4me said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
1Dx4me said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
DeeNikon said:
... how long do you think Canon will support the now obviously dying EF System?
Click to expand...
By 2020 dslr will be dead
Click to expand...
i think you are hiding your hear in the sand! there is a huge majority that do not participate in MILC hype...only gear heads! canikon will respond to DSLR needs for long time to come! what can one see in MILC that will entice them to ditch their BSLRs and join the MILC bandwagon...to gain what, small size, OVF, etc, etc? not compelling to me! so dream on ;-)
Click to expand...
If canikon force you to ditch your dslr then u all will move to MILC or take up another hobby/job .simple as that.

the next 1dx will be Mirrorless and that will be the start of the end of DSLR
Click to expand...
i have absolutely no problem with that! but what if people absolutely hate the small size the ergonomic of the new MILC? we'll see.
Click to expand...
The add a battery grip!
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There are plenty of smaller cameras available, if you want smaller, you can buy one of those. And, positive side effect, leave the larger cameras to those of us who prefer them.

Win-win, I'd say.
Jonneymendoza2 said:
Do people have gigantic hands or something?
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People come in different sizes, quite varied. Their hands to, too. Some have smaller, some have larger hands.

People come with different wishes and needs. Some like larger cameras, some like smaller cameras.

It's good, isn't it, that the market provides a variety of styles of cameras?
Regards, Mike
 
Jonneymendoza2 said:
1Dx4me said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
DeeNikon said:
... how long do you think Canon will support the now obviously dying EF System?
Click to expand...
By 2020 dslr will be dead
Click to expand...
i think you are hiding your hear in the sand! there is a huge majority that do not participate in MILC hype...only gear heads! canikon will respond to DSLR needs for long time to come! what can one see in MILC that will entice them to ditch their BSLRs and join the MILC bandwagon...to gain what, small size, OVF, etc, etc? not compelling to me! so dream on ;-)
Click to expand...
If canikon force you to ditch your dslr then u all will move to MILC or take up another hobby/job .simple as that.

the next 1dx will be Mirrorless and that will be the start of the end of DSLR
Click to expand...
I must have missed that report announcement from Canon. Can you please provide the link? I’m sure we’d all like to read it.

I’m looking forward to the 1DX lll, but not in mirrorless.
 
dgumshu said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
1Dx4me said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
DeeNikon said:
... how long do you think Canon will support the now obviously dying EF System?
Click to expand...
By 2020 dslr will be dead
Click to expand...
i think you are hiding your hear in the sand! there is a huge majority that do not participate in MILC hype...only gear heads! canikon will respond to DSLR needs for long time to come! what can one see in MILC that will entice them to ditch their BSLRs and join the MILC bandwagon...to gain what, small size, OVF, etc, etc? not compelling to me! so dream on ;-)
Click to expand...
If canikon force you to ditch your dslr then u all will move to MILC or take up another hobby/job .simple as that.

the next 1dx will be Mirrorless and that will be the start of the end of DSLR
Click to expand...
I must have missed that report announcement from Canon. Can you please provide the link? I’m sure we’d all like to read it.

I’m looking forward to the 1DX lll, but not in mirrorless.
Click to expand...
 
TrackDayLT4 said:
dgumshu said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
1Dx4me said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
DeeNikon said:
... how long do you think Canon will support the now obviously dying EF System?
Click to expand...
By 2020 dslr will be dead
Click to expand...
i think you are hiding your hear in the sand! there is a huge majority that do not participate in MILC hype...only gear heads! canikon will respond to DSLR needs for long time to come! what can one see in MILC that will entice them to ditch their BSLRs and join the MILC bandwagon...to gain what, small size, OVF, etc, etc? not compelling to me! so dream on ;-)
Click to expand...
If canikon force you to ditch your dslr then u all will move to MILC or take up another hobby/job .simple as that.

the next 1dx will be Mirrorless and that will be the start of the end of DSLR
Click to expand...
I must have missed that report announcement from Canon. Can you please provide the link? I’m sure we’d all like to read it.

I’m looking forward to the 1DX lll, but not in mirrorless.
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Hmmm I seem to have missed the announcement on the 1DX III, Can you please provide the link? I'm sure we'd all like to read it.
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Me too.
 
Mike CH said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
1Dx4me said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
1Dx4me said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
DeeNikon said:
... how long do you think Canon will support the now obviously dying EF System?
Click to expand...
By 2020 dslr will be dead
Click to expand...
i think you are hiding your hear in the sand! there is a huge majority that do not participate in MILC hype...only gear heads! canikon will respond to DSLR needs for long time to come! what can one see in MILC that will entice them to ditch their BSLRs and join the MILC bandwagon...to gain what, small size, OVF, etc, etc? not compelling to me! so dream on ;-)
Click to expand...
If canikon force you to ditch your dslr then u all will move to MILC or take up another hobby/job .simple as that.

the next 1dx will be Mirrorless and that will be the start of the end of DSLR
Click to expand...
i have absolutely no problem with that! but what if people absolutely hate the small size the ergonomic of the new MILC? we'll see.
Click to expand...
The add a battery grip!
Click to expand...
There are plenty of smaller cameras available, if you want smaller, you can buy one of those. And, positive side effect, leave the larger cameras to those of us who prefer them.

Win-win, I'd say.
Mike CH said:
Do people have gigantic hands or something?
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People come in different sizes, quite varied. Their hands to, too. Some have smaller, some have larger hands.

People come with different wishes and needs. Some like larger cameras, some like smaller cameras.

It's good, isn't it, that the market provides a variety of styles of cameras?

Regards, Mike
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Jonneymendoza2 said:
Mike CH said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
1Dx4me said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
1Dx4me said:
Jonneymendoza2 said:
DeeNikon said:
... how long do you think Canon will support the now obviously dying EF System?
Click to expand...
By 2020 dslr will be dead
Click to expand...
i think you are hiding your hear in the sand! there is a huge majority that do not participate in MILC hype...only gear heads! canikon will respond to DSLR needs for long time to come! what can one see in MILC that will entice them to ditch their BSLRs and join the MILC bandwagon...to gain what, small size, OVF, etc, etc? not compelling to me! so dream on ;-)
Click to expand...
If canikon force you to ditch your dslr then u all will move to MILC or take up another hobby/job .simple as that.

the next 1dx will be Mirrorless and that will be the start of the end of DSLR
Click to expand...
i have absolutely no problem with that! but what if people absolutely hate the small size the ergonomic of the new MILC? we'll see.
Click to expand...
The add a battery grip!
Click to expand...
There are plenty of smaller cameras available, if you want smaller, you can buy one of those. And, positive side effect, leave the larger cameras to those of us who prefer them.

Win-win, I'd say.
Jonneymendoza2 said:
Do people have gigantic hands or something?
Click to expand...
People come in different sizes, quite varied. Their hands to, too. Some have smaller, some have larger hands.

People come with different wishes and needs. Some like larger cameras, some like smaller cameras.

It's good, isn't it, that the market provides a variety of styles of cameras?

Regards, Mike
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Add a Battery grip to make it bigger
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You didn't catch that about different people wanting different things and that the market already provide cameras in different sizes?

If you can get a small camera from one brand, and I can get a larger camera from another brand - why do you want to make all bodies the same size?

Regards, Mike
 
i imagine in a decade or so...but in the near term? Vibrant as ever.
 
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