Canon's new ff mirrorless camera and lenses: will you buy?

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This is a question that has been on my mind today regarding the Canon ecosystem. For those who do photography and not video, I am wondering who will be interested in buying into either this new ff camera or any of the lenses coming with it. From the looks of it, the camera appears to be a mirrorless equivalent of the 5D IV. If it's priced similar to the 5D IV, I don't think that I will be interested. If the camera ends up at $2,000 like I've heard one rumor state, then I will do something I've never done with any of my gear: I will preorder it. Whether I acquire the new body or not, I definitely will be selling either of my 5D IV bodies, even if this new camera turns out to be .5lbs lighter. I would however, sell my 6D ii/ 7d Ii.

Regarding the lenses, I am interested in just two: the rf 50mm f/1.2 and the rf 28-70mm f/2. Foremost, I hope these lenses will be compatible with ef mount cameras. I also imagine the pricing of both of these will be out of this world, like both the 50mm f/1.2 and the 24-70mm f/2.8 ii were upon release. If so, I don't think I will be buying either for a while. However with the 24-70mm f/2 if the performance was out of this world at f/2 and doesn't weigh 2.5-3+ lbs will, then regardless of the price, I will probably strongly consider buying one. As far as the 50mm f/1.2 goes, unless it is somehow like 35mm ii wide open, has better af and is reasonably priced (unlike what the original was in 06), I can't justify myself buying one when I have the original 50mm l, 35mm ii and 85mm f/1.4 is.

Since there are so many ef lenses out there in the world and so many are so great regardless of age (the 135mm f/2!!!!!!), I don't know if many photogs are going to go out and buy these newer rf lenses unless they are ef mount compatible and are either ergonomically practical (the 28-70mm f/2) or are substantially improved from the previous versions (rf 50mm f/1.2).

Lastly, there is also the fact that I am largely satisfied and deeply attached with my gear. I work as a freelance photographer and use 9 different L lenses across all the genres I dabble in. My oldest lens by design was brought to market in 96 and my newest lens came out in 2017, with all the rest coming around the later 2000's. All of them perform so well, it's ridiculous. Any more resolving power/ sharpness is not going to do me any good. These rf lenses will also not being any lighter than current ef lenses, only the bodies will be somewhat smaller. In fact, some of these rf lenses may even be heavier than their ef counterparts.

Speaking of weight, even though they may be heavier than what this mirrorless camera will be, I also love my 5D IVS. Being able to view your exposure in real time through the viewfinder is the only real benefit I can think of with this potential new camera (unless it has ibis), and even then, the act of "chimping" isn't something I do to check my exposure/ settings, it's something I very often because I like to see the moments I captured in real time on my back lcd, whether it be during a wedding, portraiture, or whatever else.

So far from what I've seen with Sony, the benefits of their mirrorless system for still photography have only been very marginal. I wonder if it will be the same with Canon's new ml system. We will have to see, I guess, if there is honestly anything game changing enough that from this new mirrorless system that I will be enticing enough for me to consider.

Sidenote: Dear Canon, please let the 5D V be when it comes out be a DSLR that either obliterates the D850 or at least matches it :-).
 
I’m more curious than I am in buying... for now. Looking forward more to the 5DSR ll and 1DX lll, but don’t know how that will turn out. They may just decide to combine the high mp body with thier next mirrorless release. The 1D series, who knows? It’s wait and see.

I’ll have to wait for reviews, but can’t see jumping into another EVF. I’m keeping my DSLRs.

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I will watch and perhaps in a generation or two I will. I have the 5d Mark IV and the latest canon L zooms. i'm in no hurry.
 
I like what the rumors are showing, save the fact that it looks like Canon is not embracing IBIS anytime soon, and, to be honest, that's a real let down for me, because I have a lot of lenses that don't have IS that could really use IBIS.

That brings up the next situation: how will Canon's new mirrorless RF mount will work with EF lenses (I should hope perfectly), especially third party EF lenses.

That said, I'm very much liking the rumored lenses to be offered with the camera, especially the 28-70 / 2 (IS?). If I could pair up a 28-70 / 2 IS with my 70-200 / 4L IS II (Why not f/2.8L IS II or III you ask? Size and weight -- same thing that makes FF mirrorless appeal to me.) then those two lenses alone would make it work for me.

Then there's the sensor. It sounds like it might be a tweak on the 5D4 sensor. So long as it isn't any worse (consider the lower base ISO DR of the 6D2 sensor vs the 6D sensor, although, other than that, the 6D2 sensor was better in every way), I would say that the sensor is "good enough" for me -- for now.

Lastly is AF. I would like the AF to be at least as good as the 6D2, at a bare minimum, preferably 5D4 level (or better). If the AF is problematic, then, well, we have a problem. ;-)

So, assuming all the unknowns come to be known in a good way, and the price is "within reason", then I think I'll take the leap. Otherwise, I'll wait it out with my 6D2 for a while, see how Canon vs Sony vs Nikon pans out, and then decide what to do.
 
no "real" ones that I see, and I have asked.
 
What are the benefits of mirrorless?

cheaper nastier camera?

just wundrin'...
OTOH (so may have missed assorted things)...

A viewfinder that provides more information:

* Focus peaking for manual focus
* Magnified view for critical focus
* Live histogram in viewfinder
* Image review without taking eye away, also way better in bright light
* Lots of video-centric things like blinkies, waveforms
* Ability to preview exposure. I usually take my mirrorless camera when it's dark as I can see how the exposure is working, rather than guess/shoot/chimp/adjust on the DSLR (as you don't want a standard exposure at night, you want it to look like night).
* Less blackout time possible when shooting, even no blackout time is available and will become standard at some point
* When shooting B+W can have a B+W image in the viewfinder (etc. for other image changes)

Also:

* Usually quieter as no mirror.
* No micro-focus adjustment for fast lenses.
* AF points available closer to the edge of the image
* Canon's LV focusing focuses at f11, DSLR focusing stops at f8
* AF can detect and track eyes as well as faces and focus on one or another, DSLR exposure sensors can just about detect faces, but can't handle eyes.
* Less likely to be stopped going into an event when carrying one
* Potential for much faster burst modes to catch exact moment of bat hitting ball, etc.
* Can have in-camera IBIS (stabilisation by moving the sensor) so all lenses are stabilised even small/light primes and the viewfinder still shows what the image will be. (If you did that in a DSLR the image and viewfinder wouldn't agree anytime the sensor was moved.)

However:

* DSLR AF is still better with long lenses.
* Actually see what is happening rather than watching it on a small TV. (I frequently take my DSLR to big events so I can actually see them rather than watch them.)
* Currently lots of native lenses, big ecosystem.
* Huge battery life however much you use the viewfinder (mirrorless cameras usually detect your eye at the EVF so just hanging it over your shoulder can turn on the EVF as you move around and flatten the battery).
* Can see through the lens instantly, even if camera was off.
* Fast startup times (as long as battery is present they are never off, just in a very low power state and the power switch really just enables the rest of the controls) vs waiting for EVF to start-up, etc.
 
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Happy with using a DSLR and lens.
 
The initial lens offerings, based on their specs, are going to be way too pricey for my budget except for maybe the 24-105. I'm guessing the 50 f/1.2 will be similarly priced to Nikon's, somewhere in the $500-$600 range. I'll be interested in seeing the actual specs of the camera body and how well the adapter works for EF lenses.

Mark
 
That brings up the next situation: how will Canon's new mirrorless RF mount will work with EF lenses (I should hope perfectly), especially third party EF lenses.
Oh yess... let's hope for the best.
 
guess the same reason I didn't buy a 3D LED TV.. or Curved screen TV .. or Curved PC Monitor.. -- marketing gimmicks

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my Canon 80d sure beats using that ol' Petri 7s
 
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Canon appear to be fully committed to mirrorless but seem to be pitching the initial lens line up at a fairly rarefied target audience. Ultra-fast apertures, electronic shutter, smaller size and -6ev AF sound pretty compelling for certain niche areas such as classical concert photography. Doen't seem to be an alternative for the mass market at present, more a system to complement their DSLRs/EF lenses.
 
NO. There is no very wide angle lens being released any the lenses that are being released are way too heavy (by at least a factor of 2). My reason for going mirroless is to go light. From what I have seen there is no reason to get this to replace my 5DIV.
 
I am interested by this new system and 3 lenses

- the kit lens (24_105 L)

- the 35 macro

- the 50 L
 
NO. There is no very wide angle lens being released any the lenses that are being released are way too heavy (by at least a factor of 2). My reason for going mirroless is to go light. From what I have seen there is no reason to get this to replace my 5DIV.
Yes, no advantage in FF ML weight or size wise... to any substantial degree that is. That’s why I went with the smallest Fuji APSC with small lenses; mainly for travel when not doing my regular thing.

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It looks like nice enough gear but so far none of it makes me want to buy. I'm obviously not the target audience for the leaked products.
 
More parallel than a replacement for Canon's DSLR? If so, probably intended to give FF mirrorless intenders a choice in the Canon stable rather than their going elsewhere.
 
My 5D IV, 5Ds R, and 7D Mark II cameras are a nice team. I have a rather mature selection of lenses, with any gaps among my Canon-mount lenses nicely filled by Nikon-mount lenses, for my Nikon D5 and D850 cameras. That is quite an accumulation of cameras.

Occasionally, it is nice to have a smaller camera body, and I bought an M3, second-hand, before Canon USA had started official importation. Hurricane Harvey ruined my M3, so, I am considering various small ILCs, and this consideration includes Nikon Z and Canon R cameras. My M3 was smaller than necessary.

Compatibilty with existing lenses is a priority, for me.

There is no hurry. I have been dabbling with a Nikon 1 V1 camera, with FT1 adapter. It is a lesser camera than an EOS M3, but has some redeeming qualities.

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The Eos-R would be the ideal backup/companion for my 5D4 during volleyball matches, so I could keep the 70-200 f2.8II on the 5D4 and use the Eos-R with either the 24-70 f2.8 II and/or the new 50 f1.2 for candid shots, photos of the public, group photos etc etc.

If prices will be something like 3000us$ for the body and 2000us$ for the 50 1.2, I'd probably postpone the purchase for a while. Within a 2000+1500us$ price range, I'd consider buying both soon after release.

The 28-70 f2 is a very interesting lens, but with the 24-70 f2.8 II in the bag I won't need a change/upgrade for a very long time.
 
nope, but i'd buy 5Dsr II, though! somehow, i just can't get into MILC, whatsoever, i don't know why!
 

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