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Italy trip - which prime
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Great captures. They won't let you shoot the Sistine Chapel like that anymore, lots of guards shutting everyone trying to take photos down. They're trying to force you to buy photos instead of snapping your own. It is funny watching them chase everyone pulling out their phones as the crowds are insane.I visited there in 2012, all Canon gear then however. Since I was and still am main zoom user, I carried two sets - 5D2 with EF 24-105L/4.0 IS (that went south in 2nd day of the trip), EF 17-40L/4.0 (no 'IS'), EF 70-200L/4.0 IS; 60D with Sigma 17-50/2.8 OS. But I did carry old EF 50/1.4 and EF 15/2.8 fisheye (that rarely used but great in anything of circles such as doom or spiral stairs etc).
Venice, wish a f2.8 zoom FE 16-35 GM there
Inside St. Peter's Basilica with EF 15/2.8 fisheye, wish FE 16-35 GM there
Inside the Sistine Chapel with EF 17-40L (no 'IS' and soft edges wide open), wish FE 16-35 GM there
but did pull out EF 50/1.4 (no 'IS' however and not tack sharp), wish EF 24-70L/2.8 II there that works very well on Sony bodies with IBIS
But suggest you have a fast UWA prime and 55/1.8 ZA, great choices for indoor. FE 24-105 zoom will be perfect for outdoor that I have tons of photos from Canon version, just not in that trip that in 2nd day, the internal cable broke that the lens AF stuck at 24mm/F4.0. After the trip spent $200 repair in CPS, sold $600 and bought EF 24-70L/2.8 II in the holiday season deal of that year.
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As for the OP's question, I like the 28/2, but its not wide enough for interiors, I'd go with the Batis 18 or my favorite lens, the 16-35/4. My 16-35 got a good workout in Italy, I used it all the time.
Chris
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PWPhotography
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Thank you. Cameras in the Sistine Chapel was not allowed six years ago also but many did anyway. There are opportunities that while you're entering before all settling down and before the door was closed, or when the session is finished and people are exiting, you can quickly snap photos. The guards cannot capture everyone. Once you captured the photos they usually will not do anything unless you ignored and tried to continue shoot that will face the risk of being kicked out.
One of my reasons prefer f/2.8 zoom is one-stop over f/4.0 which is a big deal in low light hand-held. For outdoor I also used EF 70-200L/4.0 IS (or now FE 70-200G) lots especially after EF 24-105L IS broken.
EF 70-200L/4.0 IS hand-held pano (3-row in portrait orientation, stitched from 40~50 photos), full size is much much bigger
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BBQue
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The question is: that ceiling has been photographed so many times and in such detail, why even do it yourself? What exactly is your photo adding, that thousands of others have not already?
PS: As you know Michelangelo was criticized for excessive nudity in this Church painting. To their credit, they allowed eventually it (but the main critic become unwilling part of the painting, with his pinis being bitten by a snake, which is my favorite detail). I am not so sure about 21st century USA, would such a painting even be possible? In a church?
PS: Your Florence photos are great! Love the warm colors. So fitting!
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PWPhotography
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The same question will also apply outdoor landscape or in this case Italy. The same architectures or landscape have been taken by so many, why you want to take your own ones?
Guess the main reason they don't want tourists to take photos is flashing that usually from cellphone or P&S in dummy mode, those flashing will cause damages on those ancient paintings. Maybe 6 years later, now it's more tighten up rule, I don't remember then there were many guards there aggressively chasing after you. Many were taking photos then. I actually have lots of photos in the Chapel, here another one at entry. There were lots of people in that small chapel, pack of tourists as you can see.
hope I had 17L TS-E then on A7r III with IBIS
Completely different time and culture many centuries apart.
Beautiful city. Will visit again. The country worths at least two weeks alone. Another two of the city.
I was sick in those few days, so carried a lighter/smaller setup 60D with Sigma 17-50/2.8 OS. Bought this setup one year earlier then for the DisneyWorld trip as didn't want to lug 5D2 with heavy f/4 zoom lenses then. Hope A7-series released by then
accidentally shot at f/4 wide open and ISO 800 (actually can shoot at ISO 100) but it's OK and I like the framing. DOF is not really an issue but not at peak sharpness is
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Here is mine - taken with my first digital camera (when I thought 1 Megapixel is plenty and any more would just waste storage space )
And David, lost in the streets of Florence:
)And David, lost in the streets of Florence:
PWPhotography
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My first digital camera is a 2mp Sony P&S (forgot the model) that is 2001 or 2002? After few years I bought the first DSLR, Nikon D50 in 2005 when it was just released two months earlier then with very popular DX 18-200 super-zoom, many complained the creeping issue of the zoom but my copy didn't have that issue. Used about two years and switched to FF 5D in Dec 2017/Jan 2018, very first Canon camera in any categories ever bought. I was stunned by 5D IQ with EF 24-105L/2.0 IS and EF 70-200L/4.0 IS (first two lenses) that blows D50 out of water.Here is mine - taken with my first digital camera (when I thought 1 Megapixel is plenty and any more would just waste storage space
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George Paulides
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The new Zeiss Batis 40mm (with AF) should be available by next year.
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I just came back from a popular touristic city and I had the 28/2 on plus the fisheye adapter. My reasoning was that if I’m going to take the same picture as everyone else, I might as well bring a different perspective... I found it useful to have the “do no cross this line” stuff and other various signs out of rhe picture by shooting very close.
For the few shots without, the adapter, I would hold the adapter with my left hand and shoot with the right hand. So easy...
I also wanted the lightest gearset possible, I didn’t want to carry a zoom while walking 20 km a day (and the bottle of water etc...)
For the few shots without, the adapter, I would hold the adapter with my left hand and shoot with the right hand. So easy...
I also wanted the lightest gearset possible, I didn’t want to carry a zoom while walking 20 km a day (and the bottle of water etc...)
...and I found I most often wanted a bit more on the wide end, particularly in the churches.
I had my 24-105 F4 with me always, as well as the Samyang 35 2.8 and 16-35 F4, but I seldom took the last one because it was so damn HOT with temps frequently in the low to mid 90s (35 C).
I was traveling with my wife and friends and we walked several miles each day through the beautiful Italian cities in the regions of Veneto, Lombardy, Umbria and Friuli.
After a few days even the extra 1/2 kilo for the wide zoom became a bit much.
A small, light 14 or 16, or even 18 would be ideal.
Cheers
I had my 24-105 F4 with me always, as well as the Samyang 35 2.8 and 16-35 F4, but I seldom took the last one because it was so damn HOT with temps frequently in the low to mid 90s (35 C).
I was traveling with my wife and friends and we walked several miles each day through the beautiful Italian cities in the regions of Veneto, Lombardy, Umbria and Friuli.
After a few days even the extra 1/2 kilo for the wide zoom became a bit much.
A small, light 14 or 16, or even 18 would be ideal.
Cheers
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Iliah Borg
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At f/4, be prepared to shoot at eq. ISO speed 1200 .. 1600, having shutter speed of 1/15 .. 1/30.
Laslo Varadi
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Iliah Borg
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Generally this kind of shutter speed shouldn't be a problem, I used it as an indication of the available light.
It is not always shooting wide with a wide-angle lens. In confined and crowdy places wide-angle lenses are often used for close-ups. To stand in front of the crowd your lens needs to be wider
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Despite the enormous crowd, security did try to clamp down on as many as possible. I got one, but forgot to open up the aperture a bit and bump my SS, so its a little blurred. This was from the opposite end of the entrance, just before a metal security fence that would obscure any images.
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PWPhotography
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Ha, so you still able to take a few snapshots. The point is quick that you already took photos before the guard pointed youDespite the enormous crowd, security did try to clamp down on as many as possible. I got one, but forgot to open up the aperture a bit and bump my SS, so its a little blurred. This was from the opposite end of the entrance, just before a metal security fence that would obscure any images.
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I actually also carried Canon 24L TS-E II in that Italy trip and used several times to take architecture photos on 5D2. But quickly I found it's not wide enough such as in front of the Florence Cathedral in a very small square. In addition it's difficult to use on Canon DSLR hand-held. After that trip I bought 17L TS-E and sold 24L TS-E II. Since I also carried 17L TS-E in trips if involved in cityscape, and it's much easier to use on E-mount than Canon's own EF mount. I have a few samples posted in this link. I have seen photos from FE 12-24G but they don't look the same after vertical perspective fix (that loses resolution also). With 17L TS-E you really can stand in front of crowds to frame the architecture after shifting.https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4303538
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