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HarryLally said:
So you got the 24-105L II in the end, despite Klaus' negative review. Is there any improvement over the MkI, in your opinion? Very nice photo, BTW.
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I made a lukewarm review, myself, back in 2106 when it was launched (I had high expectations for it, since this combination of FLs is crucial for my type of photography).

I also did write, however, that it could be an interesting proposal once the price fell.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58660634

I got mine for 750 EUR, from a dismantled new kit (white box).

I expect to sell my version I for about 450/500 EUR, so I will end up giving 250/300 for the switch, which I find reasonable for the significant improvement on vignetting, small improvement in IQ at the long end and improved IS performance.

PK

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Thanks for responding. It is my most-used lens these days and I have been disappointed and slightly frustrated by the AF on my 6D lately in admittedly fairly poor light. So I'm tempted by a change in camera and MkII lens and there are very good deals here at the moment . I'm also off to Scotland (east coast) in mid July and then probably later to Oz to see my son and his family in Melbourne. So this may be a good time to change. Thanks for your input. Very helpful.
 
HarryLally said:
Thanks for responding. It is my most-used lens these days and I have been disappointed and slightly frustrated by the AF on my 6D lately in admittedly fairly poor light. So I'm tempted by a change in camera and MkII lens and there are very good deals here at the moment . I'm also off to Scotland (east coast) in mid July and then probably later to Oz to see my son and his family in Melbourne. So this may be a good time to change. Thanks for your input. Very helpful.
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One thing that might be relevant (...or just related to luck...).

My MKI was very, very good but it took me 3 attempts to get that apt performer.

The MKII proved perfect at the first attempt and the one I tried initially, for that appraisal, back in 2016, was also very good.

PK
 
rsmithsd73 said:
Its a nice photo, but every photographer's needs are different. There are allot of defections right now to the Nikon D850 / D5 by bird photographers. The autofocus for tracking moving subjects is just far better.
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Well that depends on who you talk to and thier needs some of the best have switched others have not.
rsmithsd73 said:
For others, the issue might be recoverable shadows with better DR. Still others prefer the smaller form factor of a mirrorless. To each their own, and yes I'm a 5DIV shooter and generally happy.
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rsmithsd73 said:
Its a nice photo, but every photographer's needs are different. There are allot
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a lot.
rsmithsd73 said:
of defections right now to the Nikon D850 / D5 by bird photographers. The autofocus for tracking moving subjects is just far better.
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I’ve been shooting sports professionally with the 5D3, 7D2, and now 5D4. There is nothing lacking in the AF.
rsmithsd73 said:
For others, the issue might be recoverable shadows with better DR.
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This has been demonstrated, even in this very thread, to be insignificant.
rsmithsd73 said:
Still others prefer the smaller form factor of a mirrorless.
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Certainly not for birding.
rsmithsd73 said:
To each their own, and yes I'm a 5DIV shooter and generally happy.
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JackM said:
rsmithsd73 said:
Its a nice photo, but every photographer's needs are different. There are allot
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JackM said:
of defections right now to the Nikon D850 / D5 by bird photographers. The autofocus for tracking moving subjects is just far better.
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I’ve been shooting sports professionally with the 5D3, 7D2, and now 5D4. There is nothing lacking in the AF.
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Whilst I stand firm that the 5D4 is an excellent camera, capable of taking excellent pictures, it's miles behind the latest from Nikon & Sony when it comes to tracking moving objects through a frame.

Some peoples arguments about Canon, specifically around DR are based on numbers with a negligible difference in the real world, but AF tracking is one where Canon are lagging.
 
noggin2k1 said:
JackM said:
rsmithsd73 said:
Its a nice photo, but every photographer's needs are different. There are allot

of defections right now to the Nikon D850 / D5 by bird photographers. The autofocus for tracking moving subjects is just far better.
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I’ve been shooting sports professionally with the 5D3, 7D2, and now 5D4. There is nothing lacking in the AF.
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Whilst I stand firm that the 5D4 is an excellent camera, capable of taking excellent pictures, it's miles behind the latest from Nikon & Sony when it comes to tracking moving objects through a frame.
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You're talking about stills, right?

PK
 
noggin2k1 said:
Some peoples arguments about Canon, specifically around DR are based on numbers with a negligible difference in the real world, but AF tracking is one where Canon are lagging.
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Having used cameras side by side in my photographic pursuits with differences measuring in excess of two PDR stops, that difference is not negligible. Wherever there is a shadow, DR is needed. The 5D4 may be adequate in this respect but for the camera that really needs the best DR, the 5DsR which barely missed the DR improvements of the 5D4 and 80D, Canon has stubbornly stuck to their numbnuts product cycle. In the meantime, I've acquired two MF cameras that can do things this particular Canon model cannot do making it very difficult to even pull the Canon from the bag.
 
PhotoKhan said:
noggin2k1 said:
JackM said:
rsmithsd73 said:
Its a nice photo, but every photographer's needs are different. There are allot

of defections right now to the Nikon D850 / D5 by bird photographers. The autofocus for tracking moving subjects is just far better.
Click to expand...
I’ve been shooting sports professionally with the 5D3, 7D2, and now 5D4. There is nothing lacking in the AF.
Click to expand...
Whilst I stand firm that the 5D4 is an excellent camera, capable of taking excellent pictures, it's miles behind the latest from Nikon & Sony when it comes to tracking moving objects through a frame.
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You're talking about stills, right?

PK
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Yes.
 
noggin2k1 said:
PhotoKhan said:
noggin2k1 said:
JackM said:
rsmithsd73 said:
Its a nice photo, but every photographer's needs are different. There are allot

of defections right now to the Nikon D850 / D5 by bird photographers. The autofocus for tracking moving subjects is just far better.
Click to expand...
I’ve been shooting sports professionally with the 5D3, 7D2, and now 5D4. There is nothing lacking in the AF.
Click to expand...
Whilst I stand firm that the 5D4 is an excellent camera, capable of taking excellent pictures, it's miles behind the latest from Nikon & Sony when it comes to tracking moving objects through a frame.
Click to expand...
You're talking about stills, right?

PK
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Yes.
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I thought so...

PK
 
noggin2k1 said:
JackM said:
rsmithsd73 said:
Its a nice photo, but every photographer's needs are different. There are allot

of defections right now to the Nikon D850 / D5 by bird photographers. The autofocus for tracking moving subjects is just far better.
Click to expand...
I’ve been shooting sports professionally with the 5D3, 7D2, and now 5D4. There is nothing lacking in the AF.
Click to expand...
Whilst I stand firm that the 5D4 is an excellent camera, capable of taking excellent pictures, it's miles behind the latest from Nikon & Sony when it comes to tracking moving objects through a frame.

Some peoples arguments about Canon, specifically around DR are based on numbers with a negligible difference in the real world, but AF tracking is one where Canon are lagging.
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Not for sports. I don't bird, so maybe "tracking through a frame" is more important for birding. Any sports photographer worth a damn knows how to keep their chosen cluster of AF points on their subject. The importance of automatic AF point switching for human subjects is grossly overstated on this website and its forums.



 
JackM said:
noggin2k1 said:
JackM said:
rsmithsd73 said:
Its a nice photo, but every photographer's needs are different. There are allot

of defections right now to the Nikon D850 / D5 by bird photographers. The autofocus for tracking moving subjects is just far better.
Click to expand...
I’ve been shooting sports professionally with the 5D3, 7D2, and now 5D4. There is nothing lacking in the AF.
Click to expand...
Whilst I stand firm that the 5D4 is an excellent camera, capable of taking excellent pictures, it's miles behind the latest from Nikon & Sony when it comes to tracking moving objects through a frame.

Some peoples arguments about Canon, specifically around DR are based on numbers with a negligible difference in the real world, but AF tracking is one where Canon are lagging.
Click to expand...
Not for sports. I don't bird, so maybe "tracking through a frame" is more important for birding. Any sports photographer worth a damn knows how to keep their chosen cluster of AF points on their subject. The importance of automatic AF point switching for human subjects is grossly overstated on this website and its forums.

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I shoot sports, low light events (fast moving dancers), and animals in motion, and can categorically tell you there's shots I get on Sony kit that I just wouldn't get on Canon, along with a much higher keeper rate.

Kit, technology, technique - doesn't really matter what it's down to, that's fact of matter from my experience.
 
noggin2k1 said:
JackM said:
rsmithsd73 said:
Its a nice photo, but every photographer's needs are different. There are allot

of defections right now to the Nikon D850 / D5 by bird photographers. The autofocus for tracking moving subjects is just far better.
Click to expand...
I’ve been shooting sports professionally with the 5D3, 7D2, and now 5D4. There is nothing lacking in the AF.
Click to expand...
Whilst I stand firm that the 5D4 is an excellent camera, capable of taking excellent pictures, it's miles behind the latest from Nikon & Sony when it comes to tracking moving objects through a frame.
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Fast moving object is what I shoot 90% of the time. I track fast moving objects using a Single point while panning. I prefer a single point vs the other options. No issues here. Works just fine. If it were miles behind, I’d have a real problem. Even my older 1DX is great. All that fast tracking hype is for people who don’t know any better... or don’t know thier camera. In fact, the A9 came in last in a Micheal the Maven video focus comparison between the 1DX ll and D5. According to him, the A9 is a speed deacon, just not quite as polished as the other two. :-)

I find that any limitation is based on the focus speed of a particular lens vs another, not the body.
noggin2k1 said:
Some peoples arguments about Canon, specifically around DR are based on numbers with a negligible difference in the real world, but AF tracking is one where Canon are lagging.
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noggin2k1 said:
JackM said:
noggin2k1 said:
JackM said:
rsmithsd73 said:
Its a nice photo, but every photographer's needs are different. There are allot

of defections right now to the Nikon D850 / D5 by bird photographers. The autofocus for tracking moving subjects is just far better.
Click to expand...
I’ve been shooting sports professionally with the 5D3, 7D2, and now 5D4. There is nothing lacking in the AF.
Click to expand...
Whilst I stand firm that the 5D4 is an excellent camera, capable of taking excellent pictures, it's miles behind the latest from Nikon & Sony when it comes to tracking moving objects through a frame.

Some peoples arguments about Canon, specifically around DR are based on numbers with a negligible difference in the real world, but AF tracking is one where Canon are lagging.
Click to expand...
Not for sports. I don't bird, so maybe "tracking through a frame" is more important for birding. Any sports photographer worth a damn knows how to keep their chosen cluster of AF points on their subject. The importance of automatic AF point switching for human subjects is grossly overstated on this website and its forums.

Click to expand...
I shoot sports, low light events (fast moving dancers), and animals in motion, and can categorically tell you there's shots I get on Sony kit that I just wouldn't get on Canon, along with a much higher keeper rate.
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noggin2k1 said:
Kit, technology, technique - doesn't really matter what it's down to, that's fact of matter from my experience.
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Looks like people here have different experiences. Glad to hear you found a kit that works for you.

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dgumshu said:
Looks like people here have different experiences. Glad to hear you found a kit that works for you.
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I'll give an amen to that - it'd be a boring world if we all liked the exact same camera kit!
 
noggin2k1 said:
JackM said:
rsmithsd73 said:
Its a nice photo, but every photographer's needs are different. There are allot

of defections right now to the Nikon D850 / D5 by bird photographers. The autofocus for tracking moving subjects is just far better.
Click to expand...
I’ve been shooting sports professionally with the 5D3, 7D2, and now 5D4. There is nothing lacking in the AF.
Click to expand...
Whilst I stand firm that the 5D4 is an excellent camera, capable of taking excellent pictures, it's miles behind the latest from Nikon & Sony when it comes to tracking moving objects through a frame.

Some peoples arguments about Canon, specifically around DR are based on numbers with a negligible difference in the real world, but AF tracking is one where Canon are lagging.
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I forgot to mention that Michael the Maven did a focus test between the Sony A9, D5 and 1DX2. The Sony didn’t do as well as the other two. Consequently, they are not miles ahead, but more like trying to catch up. According to him, the Sony’s have a rack zoom issue also.

Im sure you’ve probably seen the video.
 
dgumshu said:
noggin2k1 said:
JackM said:
rsmithsd73 said:
Its a nice photo, but every photographer's needs are different. There are allot

of defections right now to the Nikon D850 / D5 by bird photographers. The autofocus for tracking moving subjects is just far better.
Click to expand...
I’ve been shooting sports professionally with the 5D3, 7D2, and now 5D4. There is nothing lacking in the AF.
Click to expand...
Whilst I stand firm that the 5D4 is an excellent camera, capable of taking excellent pictures, it's miles behind the latest from Nikon & Sony when it comes to tracking moving objects through a frame.

Some peoples arguments about Canon, specifically around DR are based on numbers with a negligible difference in the real world, but AF tracking is one where Canon are lagging.
Click to expand...
I forgot to mention that Michael the Maven did a focus test between the Sony A9, D5 and 1DX2. The Sony didn’t do as well as the other two. Consequently, they are not miles ahead, but more like trying to catch up. According to him, the Sony’s have a rack zoom issue also.

Im sure you’ve probably seen the video.
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PhotoKhan said:
dgumshu said:
noggin2k1 said:
JackM said:
rsmithsd73 said:
Its a nice photo, but every photographer's needs are different. There are allot

of defections right now to the Nikon D850 / D5 by bird photographers. The autofocus for tracking moving subjects is just far better.
Click to expand...
I’ve been shooting sports professionally with the 5D3, 7D2, and now 5D4. There is nothing lacking in the AF.
Click to expand...
Whilst I stand firm that the 5D4 is an excellent camera, capable of taking excellent pictures, it's miles behind the latest from Nikon & Sony when it comes to tracking moving objects through a frame.

Some peoples arguments about Canon, specifically around DR are based on numbers with a negligible difference in the real world, but AF tracking is one where Canon are lagging.
Click to expand...
I forgot to mention that Michael the Maven did a focus test between the Sony A9, D5 and 1DX2. The Sony didn’t do as well as the other two. Consequently, they are not miles ahead, but more like trying to catch up. According to him, the Sony’s have a rack zoom issue also.

Im sure you’ve probably seen the video.
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