Panasonic only adopted DSLM comparatively recently because I remember seeing huge DSLM adverts at a trade show and being surprised that they'd finally embraced the term 'mirrorless.'
Understood.
Lol.... Was trying to think of something very basic, where there really was no other name. All I could come up with.
The poll seems to indicate otherwise. The question was placed on a site that deals with photography and cameras. The people here are generally fairly knowledgeable on all things camera related.
No I wasn’t. I thought my question was pretty simple and I explained in the OP why I asked. Terminology is everything in a language, if we want successful communication. I thought the thread has gone fairly civil so far.
There is no final answer to a poll, unless every possible voter has voted. Not very likely to happen.
Me too!!!
I spent a fair bit of time researching the subject since I started this thread and that is not what I found. I posted those results here;
I'm not and I explained the purpose of my question in the OP. I also have no experience with what happened at that time except by going back over old threads and blog posts. I also explained why I was absent;
I have no opinion on that.
It wouldn't have stuck long ago, because long ago mirrorless were still the oddity, rather than the mainstream they are now.Better names are always betterBut one would think that if there were a better name, it would have stuck long ago.
Then again, you have a point in that it definitely made sense early on when their distinguishing feature was that they removed the mirror from the DSLR ... if you search dpr forums for "mirrorless", the first mention of it I found was a thread from 2001 in which someone asked about the possibility of a "mirrorless" alternative to a DSLR that used an EVF ... so people were looking for this variation on DSLRs before they existed.
Now, when the paradigm has shifted a little, and people aren't so much looking for a "not a DSLR" as they are a "whatever you call these things" maybe it's time for another stab at it. I don't see the point nor do I give it any substantial chance of succeeding, but I'll wish you (or anyone else) good luck with it !
- Dennis
But have you ever called those things mirrorless o heard anyone doing that?I wasn't aware there was a rule that it had to be an ILCSome people really take it too seriously, my old Kodak disposable cameras are mirrorless, the Cybershots my dad used to use are mirrorless, the billions of phones with cameras are mirrorless, etc etc etc. Hell, webcams are mirrorless.
But have you ever called those things mirrorless o heard anyone doing that?I wasn't aware there was a rule that it had to be an ILC
Did you say "One Kodak mirrorless camera, please.", when you bought those disposable cameras?
Did your dad go to the store and ask for a mirrorless camera when he was buying that Cybershot?
When you send a photo you took with your phone to your friend and they ask what camera you used to take it, do you say "my mirrorless camera"?
Have you ever heard anyone refer to a webcam as mirrorless camera?
When Canon announces a new mirrorless camera, do you think "Aww sheesh, if only there was a way I could tell if this is a P&S, action camera, video camera or a webcam. I guess I will never know, it could be everything..."
When someone says "Mirrorless is now good enough to shoot hockey players", do you wonder how is it possible to do that with a webcam, and what kind of ammunition they use, and most importantly, why would anyone want to kill hockey players?
Is it true that many people in UK are buying mobiles for their infanta's?By these standards, the "S" could have been dropped from the term "SLR" long ago because nearly all cameras that use a mirror reflex designs use only one lens for quote a longt time now. Double lens reflex cameras are vintage items for true hobbyists.For younger people it is their smartphone that are the reference. And smartphones are like 100 to 1 compared to stand alone cameras.Ok. I'm not sure I buy it because there are more ILCs that are SLRs in use than mirrorless, but there's some merit in that. On that note, I keep wondering when we can drop the "D" from DSLR
- Dennis
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Speaking about phones - mobile phones are simply called "mobiles" in British English - another nice example of term that is used in a much narrower sense than the literal meaning implies.Applying strict logic, every portable item is a "mobile" .
The problem with the use of the word "mirrorless" is that we are not allowed to be used as a definition for all types of cameras that lack mirror. It's only if you he camera that lack mirror has interchangeable lenses it can be defined as mirrorless.
Panasonic's own G1 press release repeatedly referred to it as a "mirrorless structure".
The FZ1000 certainly isn't a mirrorless category camera, but his point was that the reasons being given for sticking to DSLR were weak or even wrong.
Totally agree, as I and others have pointed out in this thread.But have you ever called those things mirrorless o heard anyone doing that?I wasn't aware there was a rule that it had to be an ILC
Did you say "One Kodak mirrorless camera, please.", when you bought those disposable cameras?
Did your dad go to the store and ask for a mirrorless camera when he was buying that Cybershot?
When you send a photo you took with your phone to your friend and they ask what camera you used to take it, do you say "my mirrorless camera"?
Have you ever heard anyone refer to a webcam as mirrorless camera?
When Canon announces a new mirrorless camera, do you think "Aww sheesh, if only there was a way I could tell if this is a P&S, action camera, video camera or a webcam. I guess I will never know, it could be everything..."
When someone says "Mirrorless is now good enough to shoot hockey players", do you wonder how is it possible to do that with a webcam, and what kind of ammunition they use, and most importantly, why would anyone want to kill hockey players?
I would be disappointed (but not surprised) if they did. The fact that shop assistants are not well versed in their lines is hardly a reason to change the definitions of cameras.
No, it is defined in terms of what it replaces (at least for those who choose to buy it).
Necessity is never dumb.
Almost all digital cameras has been mirrorless since the start and most film cameras too. One of the few exceptions are (D)SLR., Which is a niche camera evolved from film cameras where optical viewfinder where the only option.
Richard, here is the Panasonic Press Release of the G1: Press Release
