Closing the Gap: The Fuji X lens suggestion thread to end all threads

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OK, so we all know what happens on lens suggestion threads. Everyone says what lenses they want, and by the end of the thread there's almost as many suggestions as there are contributors. However, it can still be plenty of fun.

So suppose we look at it another way? Suppose we suggest what lenses we want, but fit that into a framework of what the Fuji lens line up offers now? That way, we make suggestions as to what the line up should look like when 'fully formed'.

To help compare what Fuji offer with an ideal benchmark, I have listed at the bottom of this post all main full frame Canon lenses, supplemented on a couple of occasions by Nikon and 3rd party lenses where they seem to offer something significantly different. (Why full frame? Because apart from Fuji, no one offers a complete native apsc lens line up. That means most apsc systems have strange line ups which are even larger than full frame line ups in theory, but with many impractical options.)

Here are my suggestions on how to participate:

1. Suggest no more than 10 lenses. It would probably take years for Fuji to give us 10 new lenses, but it's not a completely unrealistic number in total to round out the system.

2. Assume Fuji update all older lenses so they are WR and focus quite fast, but keep the same optical formulae. It seems likely that will happen at some point, as it doesn't necessitate the R&D cost of a new optical formula.

3. All suggestions have to be realistic lenses. You don't have to show a proposed lens actually exists in any system, but expect to justify it on the grounds it's plausible given what does exist.

4. Try to make suggestions that make Fuji a better system for all types of photographers - from hobbyists on a budget to pros shooting sports, wildlife and fashion. That may mean suggesting lenses you aren't personally interested in.

5. Assume no further third party AF lens support. I think we can assume the third party manual lenses from the likes of Laowa and Samyang will continue to be released for X mount.

The Benchmark System

I've grouped these, mainly by focal length, though there may be good reasons for different options at the same focal length. In bold afterwards, I give the existing or announced rough Fuji options. This isn't a scientific match, just a rough way of comparing what Fuji currently offer to the benchmark. I've mentioned adapted options where those seem particularly likely to be of interest (eg, AF lenses or those you'll use in manual focus anyway).

800 f5.6, 600 & 500 f4
400 f5.6, 400 f2.8, 400 f4 (200 f2 with converter)
200-500 f5.6, 150-600 (100-400)
200-400 f4
200 f2, 200 f2.8
180 f3.5 macro (80 with converter)
135 f2, 135 f2.8 (90)
100-400 f5.6
120-300 f2.8, 300 f4, 300 f2.8 (200 f2)
100 f2.8 macro (80)
100 f2
85 1.2/1.4/1.8 (56/50/60)
75-300 (55-200, 50-230)
70-200 f2.8 & f4 (50-140)
50 macro (adapted options & Zeiss 50)
50 f1.4, 50 f1.8 (35 f1.4/2/Zeiss 32)
40 pancake (27)
35 f1.4, 35 f2 (23 f1.4/2)
28 f1.8, 28 f2.8 (18)
28-300 (18-135)
24-105 f4
24-70 f2.8, 24-85 various apertures (16-55, 18-55, 16-50)
24 f2.8, 24 f1.4 (16)
20 f2.8 (14)
16-35 f2.8, 16-35 f4 (10-24)
14 f2.8/f1.8 (Laowa 9)
14-24 f2.8, 11-24 f4 (8-16)
Specialist macro lenses (adapted options)
TS lenses (adapted options)
 
Just give me a WR 27 mm with an aperture ring and a compact, slow tele prime (f/2, somewhere in the 80-100mm range) . plus the WR/updated versions of the current lenses, and I'm good.
 
Just give me a WR 27 mm with an aperture ring and a compact, slow tele prime (f/2, somewhere in the 80-100mm range) . plus the WR/updated versions of the current lenses, and I'm good.
I'd like to see a 65 f/2 WR to go along with the 35 and 50 f/3 I now have. I like the 35 f/2 so much I'm thinking about selling the 35 f/1.4 and have decided not to buy a 56 f/1.2.

But the range I'm missing is in the 90-100+ in 35mm terms. So a 65 or 70 mm lens with f/2 aperture I would buy.
 
See below. 10 options, covers all gaps. I haven't added anything at super wide angle as I think the third party manual focus options are practical at those focal lengths, and will probably keep coming. What do you think?

800 f5.6, 600 & 500 f4 (400 f4 - maximise the advantages of the crop sensor)
400 f5.6, 400 f2.8, 400 f4 (200 f2 with converter) (280 f4- relatively compact long lens that works with converters for those on a budget)
200-500 f5.6, 150-600 (100-400)
200-400 f4 (140-280 f2.8 - with drop in converter. Wildlife/sports photographers dream. Sigma have showed it's possible with the 120-300)
200 f2, 200 f2.8 (135 f2 - converter compatible)
180 f3.5 macro (80 with converter)
135 f2, 135 f2.8 (90)
100-400 f5.6 (70-300 f5.6 - converter compatible if it can still be compact)
120-300 f2.8, 300 f4, 300 f2.8 (200 f2)
100 f2.8 macro (80)
100 f2 (70 f2 Fujicron style, 80 f1.4 for fashion etc.)
85 1.2/1.4/1.8 (56/50/60)
75-300 (55-200, 50-230)
70-200 f2.8 & f4 (50-140) (60-120 f2 - great for indoor sport)
50 macro (adapted options & Zeiss 50)
50 f1.4, 50 f1.8 (35 f1.4/2/Zeiss 32)
40 pancake (27)
35 f1.4, 35 f2 (23 f1.4/2)
28 f1.8, 28 f2.8 (18)
28-300 (18-135)
24-105 f4 (16-70 f4 - no ois if ibis is going to trickle down the range over time)
24-70 f2.8, 24-85 various apertures (16-55, 18-55, 16-50)
24 f2.8, 24 f1.4 (16) (16f2 Fujicron style)
20 f2.8 (14)
16-35 f2.8, 16-35 f4 (10-24)
14 f2.8/f1.8 (Laowa 9)
14-24 f2.8, 11-24 f4 (8-16)
Specialist macro lenses (adapted options)
TS lenses (adapted options)
 
I have the 60mm f.2.4 macro, which is a lovely lens. A modernized version of that, with either a focus limiter or quick shift to prevent that long rack when you miss focus, would be much better for me than a pure tele 60 mm f/2 without the great close focus.

Hence my preference for something in a longer length.
 
Zooms:

XC 16-80 F3.5-5.6, or XF 16-90 F4. Both OIS, WR for the XF

XC 70-300 OIS

XC 10-20

XC 45-150 PZ OIS Why not?! Great consumer video lens, and will complement their new 15-45 :)

Primes:

XC 12mm or XF 12mm WR for astrophotography

XC 60mm 1:1 Macro

XC 75mm OIS or XF 75mm OIS WR
 
I'm quite happy with what I own today and they cover almost all the needs I have

However:

Love the size and utility of the 18-55 but wish it's a bit wider; Don't care much about the 16-55 for its size and lack of OIS; would like to see a smaller 16-55 2.8-4 OIS WR; this would be my killer lens for general photography

For birding while the 100-400 suits me fine , a faster prime would be great , but not as fast and heavy as the upcoming 200mm f2; just give me a 200 or 300mm f4 which can be used with TCs

Would also like to see a 50-140 f4 (compatible with TC) to accompany the 16-55 2.8-4 above (and replace my trusty 55-200)

Primes are all good today; just need to add OIS and replace the older AF mechanism

On macros, how about a 80mm f4 macro? smaller less expensive version of the 2.8

Cheers,
 
Hi,

I think Fuji is lacking in the telephoto department - short and long. I'd like to see them in XF design with aperture ring, WR and OIS.

I'd like to see an additional short telephoto prime.... say 100-135mm, but in modest speed to keep it small. The heavyweight 90/2 is already an excellent lens for those seeking a fast option.

And I'd like to see some high grade primes of moderate speed and compact for the FL in much longer FLs - a 300/4 and 500/5.6. I'm not interested in the 200/2 and TC solution. I suggest these speeds because modern high ISOs are so good. No-one can afford lenses like the 500/2.8's that Nikon and Canon offer and for wildlife use, they and the required tripod are also extremely heavy to lug in the field. Once again, with OIS and sealing.

With what I have, if I was able to add a very small say 100/3.5 and a 400-500 prime I don't think I'd need to consider any other new lenses.

Cheers, Rod
 
Just got into the Fuji system. Would love an equivalent fast wide zoom like Nikon 14-28 f/2.8 or Tamron 15-30 f/2.8 with VC (Stabilization). Current offering (10-24 f/4) cannot match. I read somewhere that they're coming with an 8-16 (12-24 35mm FOV), if it is true (and assuming it is reasonably price), that would be it.
 
I own 2 of the Leica M 135mm f/2.8 lenses with the Bug Eyes and it is anything but small.

Yes it was built for FF but being for the M system it is smaller than the same focal length and f stop for a D/SLR style camera.
 
All I would like to see is an updated 18 F2, to match the other F2s, and a slightly more versatile OIS general zoom - say 16-85 F4 - which is decently sharp but still compact.

Otherwise, I'm good with what I have, and I never carry more than 3 lenses on a trip anyway.
 
As a landscape photographer who likes to hike, I REALLY want Fuji to introduce a pair of red-badge zooms that are F4. So, a 16-55 F4 and a 50-140 F4. These lenses would be the true peers, in terms of IQ, build quality, WR, compatibility with TC, etc. of the the existing F2.8 zooms, just smaller and lighter.

All the FF manufacturers have equivalents to this, and I can see why - it saves substantial weight. For landscape, F4 is plenty fast. Given that the X-H1 with the existing 10-24/16-55/50-140 is substantially heavier than the A7III with Sony's trio of F4 zooms, I think this is a gap that really needs to be plugged.

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I personally don't think that will ever happen. There are already 2 lenses with that similar zoom range. a third would just clutter the playing field.

Anytime a zoom lens is a constant aperture it will be bigger than one with a variable aperture.
As a landscape photographer who likes to hike, I REALLY want Fuji to introduce a pair of red-badge zooms that are F4. So, a 16-55 F4 and a 50-140 F4. These lenses would be the true peers, in terms of IQ, build quality, WR, compatibility with TC, etc. of the the existing F2.8 zooms, just smaller and lighter.

All the FF manufacturers have equivalents to this, and I can see why - it saves substantial weight. For landscape, F4 is plenty fast. Given that the X-H1 with the existing 10-24/16-55/50-140 is substantially heavier than the A7III with Sony's trio of F4 zooms, I think this is a gap that really needs to be plugged.

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I personally don't think that will ever happen. There are already 2 lenses with that similar zoom range. a third would just clutter the playing field.
Well, that fact hasn't deterred Sony, Nikon, or Canon. And this thread is about plugging holes.
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As a landscape photographer who likes to hike, I REALLY want Fuji to introduce a pair of red-badge zooms that are F4. So, a 16-55 F4 and a 50-140 F4. These lenses would be the true peers, in terms of IQ, build quality, WR, compatibility with TC, etc. of the the existing F2.8 zooms, just smaller and lighter.

All the FF manufacturers have equivalents to this, and I can see why - it saves substantial weight. For landscape, F4 is plenty fast. Given that the X-H1 with the existing 10-24/16-55/50-140 is substantially heavier than the A7III with Sony's trio of F4 zooms, I think this is a gap that really needs to be plugged.
 
A compact, light and excellent 50-140 f4 would indeed find its way quickly to my travel bag.
 
As a landscape photographer who likes to hike, I REALLY want Fuji to introduce a pair of red-badge zooms that are F4. So, a 16-55 F4 and a 50-140 F4. These lenses would be the true peers, in terms of IQ, build quality, WR, compatibility with TC, etc. of the the existing F2.8 zooms, just smaller and lighter.

All the FF manufacturers have equivalents to this, and I can see why - it saves substantial weight. For landscape, F4 is plenty fast. Given that the X-H1 with the existing 10-24/16-55/50-140 is substantially heavier than the A7III with Sony's trio of F4 zooms, I think this is a gap that really needs to be plugged.
 
Hi,

I think Fuji is lacking in the telephoto department - short and long. I'd like to see them in XF design with aperture ring, WR and OIS.

I'd like to see an additional short telephoto prime.... say 100-135mm, but in modest speed to keep it small. The heavyweight 90/2 is already an excellent lens for those seeking a fast option.

And I'd like to see some high grade primes of moderate speed and compact for the FL in much longer FLs - a 300/4 and 500/5.6. I'm not interested in the 200/2 and TC solution. I suggest these speeds because modern high ISOs are so good. No-one can afford lenses like the 500/2.8's that Nikon and Canon offer and for wildlife use, they and the required tripod are also extremely heavy to lug in the field. Once again, with OIS and sealing.
With you all the way on the more compact primes, I was pretty disappointed they made the 200 f2 rather than f2.8. However, I think the modern way is to make zooms for the mass market and primes only for extra speed. Canon and Nikon don't even seem to have a 600 f5.6 any more. A 280 f4 or similar with teleconverter compatibility seems possible though, basically a 400 f5.6 equivalent with the same front element but probably shorter and lighter.
With what I have, if I was able to add a very small say 100/3.5 and a 400-500 prime I don't think I'd need to consider any other new lenses.

Cheers, Rod
 
As a landscape photographer who likes to hike, I REALLY want Fuji to introduce a pair of red-badge zooms that are F4. So, a 16-55 F4 and a 50-140 F4. These lenses would be the true peers, in terms of IQ, build quality, WR, compatibility with TC, etc. of the the existing F2.8 zooms, just smaller and lighter.

All the FF manufacturers have equivalents to this, and I can see why - it saves substantial weight. For landscape, F4 is plenty fast. Given that the X-H1 with the existing 10-24/16-55/50-140 is substantially heavier than the A7III with Sony's trio of F4 zooms, I think this is a gap that really needs to be plugged.
 
Hi,

I think an updated version (for AF matters) of the 55-200 would sell like donuts. That could as well be a 70-200 f4, just like Canon and Nikon have, and they sell very well near full frame and APS-C action photographers.

An alternative would be a new XC telezoom, maybe 45-200 to go with the 15-45 pancake, but 4.0 to 5.6, instead of 4.5 to 6.3. Those are best sellers in the tele range for Canikon DSLRs, like the 75-300 in Canon. Of course AF motors updated.

Until the 2nd generation Fuji cameras didn't benefit too much from quick focusing lenses, but with these new ones, lenses are becoming the weak point.

Also agree on the mid tele XF WR prime, like a 70 or 75 f2.0.
 

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