The great GX9 poll - 😀or 😢?

daguerre999 said:

I have no particular bias toward any camera line. I am / was leaning toward the M43 system due to it's light-weight and compact lenses. I like the RF format just because I like it. The GX8 was almost top of my list but the OOC colour in JPEG put me off as did the shutter shock issue. I was hoping the GX9 would solve theses issues. Perhaps it has, but the various 'downgrades' are a bitter disappointment. All they had to do was slip in a new shutter and upgrade the colour balance.
Easy as. Instead they've butchered a perfectly decent camera. Dunno what they were thinking

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daguerre999 said:

but it's not for me.
Waiting on a Fuji XPro3 now.

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DH007 said:

Disgusted. Shame on Panasonic for ruining many a cat or bird photos that would have been taken with a properly named GX95.

The GX8 was basically complained about by many as being too large no tilt screen, and the shutter shock problem that wasn't a problem, but it was, it's just easier to live in denial for some.They put the best sensor they make into something smaller then great. M43 rules again.

I guess because I never use an EVF that change didn't bother me. I actually have looked at my G7s and felt how much smaller the camera would be without them on it. I started with a GX7 I'm going home I just have a bunch of better lenses now. Once I sell the 12-60 then it comes out to about $900 less than the G9.

Pre order placed. Weirded out by the free 25mm lens offer in the UK it's basically a tip off that even Panasonic doesn't value it at the 1K range to do that on launch. It will be $899 / $799 by Christmas or they will run the promo and I'll prob by a second body at that point.

I just wished they named it right.

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Trevor Carpenter said:

DH007 said:

I'm going to give up photography because Panasonic released the GX9

If they named it GX95 I'd be OK with it though but they really dropped the ball and all my camera gear is now for sale there is no point.

Does it have a 10 bit e shutter?

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I know how you feel, I was about to buy a Ferrari but have you the seen their naming convention. Totally absurd. Call themselves car manufacturers, well they've lost my business.

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Aberaeron said:

Pixnat2 said:

Those internet polls are not reliable nor representative at all, but the results are interesting anyway.

The minority (45 %) is disappointed.

The majority (55%) is happy or don't care.

Now the question is : among the minority, how many would actually buy a GX8 MKII?

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I wouldn't buy it because i don't like the name. It reminds me of Mortal Kombat II.

OK i'll stop just somewhat dumfounded a the responses here a little. the G9 is the flagship and it has the bells and whistles and some solutions to problems that for some of us never existed. The GX9 is a smaller more compact variant that doesn't have the bells and whistles but at its core seems like a decent camera. Wait on some more feedback because the devil is often in the details but I think it sits OK in the lineup because if history repeats they might not be in a super hurry to phase out the G85 / GX85 etc. The G7 is still being sold and at its price point is a heck of a lot of camera.

I actually think it's better they are recycling some parts and tech because your not going to be the field testing beta for new tech especially if they are doing any cost cutting to make up the R&D cost. They work out the kinks in the previous tech and tweak and enhance it and what you should end up with is a bomb proof product for the most part in terms of any unforeseen issues at least.

In a perfect world i hope they come out with something bigger with a better grip, with a better EVF and weather sealing and whatever else this is missing. Oh wait they pretty much did and called it the G9.

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BarnET said:

cpt kent said:

My sentiments exactly.

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But then they also had to price it like a Gx95.

100-200 bucks less seems required with that old unpopular cheap field sequential evf.

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Tom Caldwell said:

Andrewteee said:

If they had called it the GX95 then all would be well. But the naming convention boggles the mind. If there is ever going to be a true GX8 successor what the heck would they call that?

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Hmm, now lets go back and have another look ....

The GX8 was a marketing mistake. Rushed out too soon for whatever reason with the 20mp sensor and before the soft shutter and better IBiIS were ready to be included. Maybe they thought that the market would pay “any price” for the sake of 20mp?

It was too expensive and despite the noisy fully articulated lcd claque who would like to see every camera ever made with a fully articulated lcd (full stop) there were and are still many users who prefer tilt lcd units. Choice of lcd articulation is good and Panasonic still provides it.

In a simple marketing exercise Panasonic produced an expensive white elephant of limited technology (? Questionable in the light of the current raging) that did not advance the GX7 very far at all despite its 20mp sensor it was significantly larger and more expensive.

The sales must have been in free fall and the GX7 was aging and still very popular.

So they decided to update the GX7 with a series of improvements as a logical gap-filler at a more reasonable price point. But what to call it? So we have the snow job of the “GX8 and one half” (GX85/80) as it could hardly be called a GX9 and the GX8 slot was already filled. A 20mp sensor would have blown the RRP out of the water at the time.

So we might now get a huge complain from GX8 owners who somehow feel cheated that the upgrade they did not need has not been offered. Why would the average GX8 owner need to upgrade a camera body that has a trick evf, weather sealing, the popular (for some) fully articulated lcd, a bit more size meat and the 20mp sensor already? Think about it and think harder if it were to be sold on a price plane similar to that of the launch price of the GX8.

The truth of the matter (like the GM series) was that it only became popular when it was reduced to distress pricing because Panasonic could not sell them at their desired price point for love nor money - well the right money won in the end but it was not Panasonic’s “right money”.

So this camera is positioned right where the GX8 should have originally been and priced to sell in numbers at a price Panasonic will not have to slash to move them.

It has the longed for 20mp sensor for goodness sake and otherwise is a made over and improved version of the popular and long running GX7 at a logical price point where it will no doubt replace the GX85/80 as is most likely planned.

Here Panasonic is returning to its original model numbering sequence and not making a premium high priced RF body to compete directly head to head with the G9.

For those that need more evf oomph, and the advanced tricks they can pay a bit more and get the premium G9.

One day the present GX8 might be superseded but I hardly think that such a premium camera body is anywhere near the end of its use by date already. As far as i know nobody has updated a 20mp camera body that is presently made. The GH5s is a special case.

Nice to see that the GX9 reverts to a tilt LCD. As a new owner of a G9 I would have great difficulty in “needing” much the same thing in RF guise, but the GX9 fits nicely into the progression frame of GX7->GX85->GX9 although I already have a GX85 and the GX7 I alo have still delights me.

There will be a GX9 in my future, but I am far from ready for it just yet.

A direct expensive GX8 upgrade would be too close to my G9 and I would not be willing to take a loss by on-selling my G9 for such a camera - the G9 is far too good a camera for that. As a result for me direct competitive premium GX8 upgrade at G9 price point = fail. GX9 as a logical successor to the GX85 at a more reasonable price point = looking good, but I am in no hurry.

Lets get real - once the “shock” has gone the GX9 will sell really well as how many now beating their breasts in sorrow would gladly pay the same for their “dream” GX9 if it was as expensive as the G9?

Maybe ignore such a camera body and complain about the price until Panasonic discounts it out at near death experience prices - I suggest that Panasonic had a think abut this and said “no thanks”.

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nucmanchh said:

Might be off topic but I want to know what someone in this forum might know about which battery comes with the GX9 and does it use the traditional charger

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nucmanchh said:

This is a successor to the GX7!

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Le Frog said:

cameron2 said:

NowHearThis said:

The big problem that I see is that you don’t see most people going WOW.

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Yeah, that's because the GX9 is what the GX85 should have been ...

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Actually, the GX9 (plus weather sealing, better evf, mic/audio in/out) is what the GX8 should have been. The GX85 should have been if not as small as the GX800, at least not bigger than the Olympus PEN EPM2.

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daguerre999 said:

I have no particular bias toward any camera line. I am / was leaning toward the M43 system due to it's light-weight and compact lenses. I like the RF format just because I like it. The GX8 was almost top of my list but the OOC colour in JPEG put me off as did the shutter shock issue. I was hoping the GX9 would solve theses issues. Perhaps it has, but the various 'downgrades' are a bitter disappointment. All they had to do was slip in a new shutter and upgrade the colour balance.
Easy as. Instead they've butchered a perfectly decent camera. Dunno what they were thinking but it's not for me.
Waiting on a Fuji XPro3 now.

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nucmanchh said:

Might be off topic but I want to know what someone in this forum might know about which battery comes with the GX9 and does it use the traditional charger

This is a successor to the GX7!

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Astrotripper said:

But that was Panasonic's fault. GX8 was a botched job. On many fronts. And Panasonic persistently keeps making the same mistake.

First of all, people were not happy that apparent GX7 successor was so different from GX7. GX8 should have not been called GX8. That name carried certain expectations, which were not met by the camera itself. Simply put, it was not really a GX8 and should have not been marketed as such.

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Astrotripper said:

And then there were all the little issues that made GX8 look a bit like a rushed product (especially in retrospect). Faulty shutters, shutter shock issues, especially with the kit lens it was sold with (I mean come on, what were they thinking?), cropped 4K video, no IBIS in video and poor IBIS performance in general (and unimpressive Dual IS).

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Astrotripper said:

And 8 months later comes GX80 and it turns out both biggest technical issues of GX8 could have been avoided if it came out later. That was basically a nail in the coffin of GX8.

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traveler_101 said:

traveler_101 said:

And then there were all the little issues that made GX8 look a bit like a rushed product (especially in retrospect). Faulty shutters, shutter shock issues, especially with the kit lens it was sold with (I mean come on, what were they thinking?), cropped 4K video, no IBIS in video and poor IBIS performance in general (and unimpressive Dual IS).

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Are these faults statistically true or a collection of anecdotes - just asking.

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traveler_101 said:

And 8 months later comes GX80 and it turns out both biggest technical issues of GX8 could have been avoided if it came out later. That was basically a nail in the coffin of GX8.

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You mean in terms of sales?

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DLBlack said:

If the camera was named GX95 I would think it was a great camera for this market level. Still not a camera I would consider. I was hoping a camera named GX9 would be a upgrade to the GX8 and a pro-level camera since it has single digit name. Then I would be really interested in the camera. The way it is I am disappointed.

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Andrewteee said:

If they had called it the GX95 then all would be well. But the naming convention boggles the mind. If there is ever going to be a true GX8 successor what the heck would they call that?

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DLBlack said:

If the camera was named GX95 I would think it was a great camera for this market level. Still not a camera I would consider. I was hoping a camera named GX9 would be a upgrade to the GX8 and a pro-level camera since it has single digit name. Then I would be really interested in the camera. The way it is I am disappointed.

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brianric said:

DLBlack said:

If the camera was named GX95 I would think it was a great camera for this market level. Still not a camera I would consider. I was hoping a camera named GX9 would be a upgrade to the GX8 and a pro-level camera since it has single digit name. Then I would be really interested in the camera. The way it is I am disappointed.

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Like you. I am disappointed that this camera is not a true upgrade to replace my GX8. Having said that by coming out with the GX9 that tells me Panasonic will never do a true upgrade to the GX8 so I can go on and look elsewhere rather than wait.

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