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miles green · Feb 12, 2018

Conjure said:
Maybe a K-02 (FF?) with electronic viewfinder?

That would be something!

Give it a curved sensor, a new mount, and a new series of tiny and excellent limiteds.

An adaptor (with lens, AF motor and aperture actuator) would allow the use of old lenses.

The curved sensor will prevent competition from Sigma and Tamron, and all the manual focus lens makers.

Sony would have someone to sell their curved sensors to, as everybody else, including Sony, is waaaaay to deep into their respective lens systems to start a new lens line...

That would shake things up a bit!

Where's that new FF GR anyway?

Alex Sarbu · Feb 12, 2018

zakaria said:
Alex Sarbu said:

Chris Mak said:

I think this picture may not show the actual new camera, but may have used an existing body. It may be simply meant to stir the imagination with the info that a new body is about to be launched in february 2018.

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You could be right. And Asahi man never said it's a real teaser image ;-) (if he would say that, I would believe him of course)

Alex

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Asahi man never post a photo for criteria. Or for do you like it!

I'm just stating a remote possibility

IMO if there's going to be a teaser campaign for a CP+ announcement, it should start this week.

Alex

zakaria · Feb 12, 2018

Alex Sarbu said:
zakaria said:

Alex Sarbu said:

Chris Mak said:

I think this picture may not show the actual new camera, but may have used an existing body. It may be simply meant to stir the imagination with the info that a new body is about to be launched in february 2018.

Click to expand...

You could be right. And Asahi man never said it's a real teaser image ;-) (if he would say that, I would believe him of course)

Alex

Click to expand...

Asahi man never post a photo for criteria. Or for do you like it!

Click to expand...

I'm just stating a remote possibility

IMO if there's going to be a teaser campaign for a CP+ announcement, it should start this week.

Alex

Why not pre CP+

Like sigma 14-24 art

Alex Sarbu · Feb 12, 2018

zakaria said:
Alex Sarbu said:

zakaria said:

Alex Sarbu said:

Chris Mak said:

I think this picture may not show the actual new camera, but may have used an existing body. It may be simply meant to stir the imagination with the info that a new body is about to be launched in february 2018.

Click to expand...

You could be right. And Asahi man never said it's a real teaser image ;-) (if he would say that, I would believe him of course)

Alex

Click to expand...

Asahi man never post a photo for criteria. Or for do you like it!

Click to expand...

I'm just stating a remote possibility

IMO if there's going to be a teaser campaign for a CP+ announcement, it should start this week.

Alex

Click to expand...

Why not pre CP+

Like sigma 14-24 art

The actual announcement should indeed predate CP+ - as they want to present that product during the show. This is what I'm talking about, when I say "a CP+ announcement".

Of course, a teaser campaign should take place starting some days before. Thus, this week.

Alex

Mark Ransom · Feb 12, 2018

altis said:
As I understand it:

in America mm-dd-yy is typical;

in Europe dd-mm-yy is typical;

in Japan (and computers) yy-mm-dd is typical.

To me is seems the American method method makes no sense as it’s neither little-endian nor big-endian.

I think the American style makes more sense if you often leave off the year. Then it's most significant, least significant, with the optional part at the end.

The Japanese style (with 4-digit year) is an ISO standard which I use when I require the least ambiguity. It's also the best when you need to sort something by date.

Mark Ransom · Feb 12, 2018

miles green said:
Conjure said:

Maybe a K-02 (FF?) with electronic viewfinder?

Click to expand...

That would be something!

Give it a curved sensor, a new mount, and a new series of tiny and excellent limiteds.

An adaptor (with lens, AF motor and aperture actuator) would allow the use of old lenses.

The curved sensor will prevent competition from Sigma and Tamron, and all the manual focus lens makers.

Sony would have someone to sell their curved sensors to, as everybody else, including Sony, is waaaaay to deep into their respective lens systems to start a new lens line...

That would shake things up a bit!

Where's that new FF GR anyway?

Interesting idea. Coming up with a new lens line would certainly explain the year of the drought!

zakaria · Feb 12, 2018

Alex Sarbu said:
zakaria said:

Alex Sarbu said:

zakaria said:

Alex Sarbu said:

Chris Mak said:

I think this picture may not show the actual new camera, but may have used an existing body. It may be simply meant to stir the imagination with the info that a new body is about to be launched in february 2018.

Click to expand...

You could be right. And Asahi man never said it's a real teaser image ;-) (if he would say that, I would believe him of course)

Alex

Click to expand...

Asahi man never post a photo for criteria. Or for do you like it!

Click to expand...

I'm just stating a remote possibility

IMO if there's going to be a teaser campaign for a CP+ announcement, it should start this week.

Alex

Click to expand...

Why not pre CP+

Like sigma 14-24 art

Click to expand...

The actual announcement should indeed predate CP+ - as they want to present that product during the show. This is what I'm talking about, when I say "a CP+ announcement".

Of course, a teaser campaign should take place starting some days before. Thus, this week.

Alex

Thanks Alex

Alex Sarbu · Feb 12, 2018

zakaria said:
Alex Sarbu said:

zakaria said:

Alex Sarbu said:

zakaria said:

Alex Sarbu said:

Chris Mak said:

I think this picture may not show the actual new camera, but may have used an existing body. It may be simply meant to stir the imagination with the info that a new body is about to be launched in february 2018.

Click to expand...

You could be right. And Asahi man never said it's a real teaser image ;-) (if he would say that, I would believe him of course)

Alex

Click to expand...

Asahi man never post a photo for criteria. Or for do you like it!

Click to expand...

I'm just stating a remote possibility

IMO if there's going to be a teaser campaign for a CP+ announcement, it should start this week.

Alex

Click to expand...

Why not pre CP+

Like sigma 14-24 art

Click to expand...

The actual announcement should indeed predate CP+ - as they want to present that product during the show. This is what I'm talking about, when I say "a CP+ announcement".

Of course, a teaser campaign should take place starting some days before. Thus, this week.

Alex

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Thanks Alex

You're welcome.

Alex

Holger Bargen · Feb 12, 2018

Conjure said:
asahi man said:

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According to my German Pentax-Dealer:

There is no Pentak K3 successor (in 2018)

The picture does not show a K-70 successor.

My personal opinion:

A successor for the KP does not make much sense

The top of the picture is too small for fullframe pentaprism.

Maybe a K-02 (FF?) with electronic viewfinder?

This is very interesting information and the obeservations you made are interesting, too.

No optical viewfinder would mean no mirror box. If they stay with the k-mount (and I don't expect a curved sensor or something like that as the speed at which Pentax rings out new lenses is simply not fast enough to expect an entire new line out of nothing.

I would expect a mirrorless FF camera with k-mount.

What does this mean: The camera can be much smaller as it doesn't need any mirrorbox or pentaprism. But it has to carry the flange typical for k-mount and it also needs some space for the IS/IBIS system. This would define a minimum size for the depth of the camera - but the missing and voluminous parts would allow a smaller design.

The missing pentaprism would reduce the hight of the camera and if the mirrorbox is missing it would allow to put some technial parts more to the border of the way of the light towards the sensor. The camera could be smaller regarding its width.

We would end up with a camera that looks a little bit like a cube - a little bit like a small sized 645z.

My K1 is not too big for me and I like the mirror as protection for my sensor if I change my lenses.

Let's wait for the specifications of the new model if it would be a nice to have or almost a must have for me.

Best regards

Holger

K0d · Feb 13, 2018

If you superimpose the K1 over it matching the size of mount the reflections match the K1 so the body could be little changed. Sony seem to limit the access to their chips to later than their own cameras and Nikon but Pentax seem to get more from the chip in that time delay. But with Nikon changing supply and Sony getting out of SLR's this may change. At least the mount is good old K

K1 superimposed

Conjure · Feb 13, 2018

Holger Bargen said:
Conjure said:

asahi man said:

Click to expand...

According to my German Pentax-Dealer:

There is no Pentak K3 successor (in 2018)

The picture does not show a K-70 successor.

My personal opinion:

A successor for the KP does not make much sense

The top of the picture is too small for fullframe pentaprism.

Maybe a K-02 (FF?) with electronic viewfinder?

Click to expand...

This is very interesting information and the obeservations you made are interesting, too.

No optical viewfinder would mean no mirror box. If they stay with the k-mount (and I don't expect a curved sensor or something like that as the speed at which Pentax rings out new lenses is simply not fast enough to expect an entire new line out of nothing.

I would expect a mirrorless FF camera with k-mount.

What does this mean: The camera can be much smaller as it doesn't need any mirrorbox or pentaprism. But it has to carry the flange typical for k-mount and it also needs some space for the IS/IBIS system. This would define a minimum size for the depth of the camera - but the missing and voluminous parts would allow a smaller design.

The missing pentaprism would reduce the hight of the camera and if the mirrorbox is missing it would allow to put some technial parts more to the border of the way of the light towards the sensor. The camera could be smaller regarding its width.

We would end up with a camera that looks a little bit like a cube - a little bit like a small sized 645z.

My K1 is not too big for me and I like the mirror as protection for my sensor if I change my lenses.

Let's wait for the specifications of the new model if it would be a nice to have or almost a must have for me.

Best regards

Holger

Hi Holger,

in the mean time I found a nice work of "Sir. Lister":

It could be anything....

Maybe K-02 was just wishful thinking

Anton

Lyff · Feb 13, 2018

Conjure said:
Holger Bargen said:

Conjure said:

asahi man said:

Click to expand...

According to my German Pentax-Dealer:

There is no Pentak K3 successor (in 2018)

The picture does not show a K-70 successor.

My personal opinion:

A successor for the KP does not make much sense

The top of the picture is too small for fullframe pentaprism.

Maybe a K-02 (FF?) with electronic viewfinder?

Click to expand...

This is very interesting information and the obeservations you made are interesting, too.

No optical viewfinder would mean no mirror box. If they stay with the k-mount (and I don't expect a curved sensor or something like that as the speed at which Pentax rings out new lenses is simply not fast enough to expect an entire new line out of nothing.

I would expect a mirrorless FF camera with k-mount.

What does this mean: The camera can be much smaller as it doesn't need any mirrorbox or pentaprism. But it has to carry the flange typical for k-mount and it also needs some space for the IS/IBIS system. This would define a minimum size for the depth of the camera - but the missing and voluminous parts would allow a smaller design.

The missing pentaprism would reduce the hight of the camera and if the mirrorbox is missing it would allow to put some technial parts more to the border of the way of the light towards the sensor. The camera could be smaller regarding its width.

We would end up with a camera that looks a little bit like a cube - a little bit like a small sized 645z.

My K1 is not too big for me and I like the mirror as protection for my sensor if I change my lenses.

Let's wait for the specifications of the new model if it would be a nice to have or almost a must have for me.

Best regards

Holger

Click to expand...

Hi Holger,

in the mean time I found a nice work of "Sir. Lister":

It could be anything....

Maybe K-02 was just wishful thinking

Anton

That looks much more like the K-3 series than any other body, if it’s truly a photo of the new camera it seems we have a flagship APSC coming.

Holger Bargen · Feb 13, 2018

Conjure said:
Holger Bargen said:

Conjure said:

asahi man said:

Click to expand...

According to my German Pentax-Dealer:

There is no Pentak K3 successor (in 2018)

The picture does not show a K-70 successor.

My personal opinion:

A successor for the KP does not make much sense

The top of the picture is too small for fullframe pentaprism.

Maybe a K-02 (FF?) with electronic viewfinder?

Click to expand...

This is very interesting information and the obeservations you made are interesting, too.

No optical viewfinder would mean no mirror box. If they stay with the k-mount (and I don't expect a curved sensor or something like that as the speed at which Pentax rings out new lenses is simply not fast enough to expect an entire new line out of nothing.

I would expect a mirrorless FF camera with k-mount.

What does this mean: The camera can be much smaller as it doesn't need any mirrorbox or pentaprism. But it has to carry the flange typical for k-mount and it also needs some space for the IS/IBIS system. This would define a minimum size for the depth of the camera - but the missing and voluminous parts would allow a smaller design.

The missing pentaprism would reduce the hight of the camera and if the mirrorbox is missing it would allow to put some technial parts more to the border of the way of the light towards the sensor. The camera could be smaller regarding its width.

We would end up with a camera that looks a little bit like a cube - a little bit like a small sized 645z.

My K1 is not too big for me and I like the mirror as protection for my sensor if I change my lenses.

Let's wait for the specifications of the new model if it would be a nice to have or almost a must have for me.

Best regards

Holger

Click to expand...

Hi Holger,

in the mean time I found a nice work of "Sir. Lister":

It could be anything....

Maybe K-02 was just wishful thinking

Anton

Dear Anton!

Thank ou for your posting. If I look at your graphics I see most likely a FF EVF camera in KP body. Just my impression.

Best regards

Holger

tinetz · Feb 13, 2018

Holger Bargen said:
Conjure said:

Holger Bargen said:

Conjure said:

asahi man said:

Click to expand...

According to my German Pentax-Dealer:

There is no Pentak K3 successor (in 2018)

The picture does not show a K-70 successor.

My personal opinion:

A successor for the KP does not make much sense

The top of the picture is too small for fullframe pentaprism.

Maybe a K-02 (FF?) with electronic viewfinder?

Click to expand...

This is very interesting information and the obeservations you made are interesting, too.

No optical viewfinder would mean no mirror box. If they stay with the k-mount (and I don't expect a curved sensor or something like that as the speed at which Pentax rings out new lenses is simply not fast enough to expect an entire new line out of nothing.

I would expect a mirrorless FF camera with k-mount.

What does this mean: The camera can be much smaller as it doesn't need any mirrorbox or pentaprism. But it has to carry the flange typical for k-mount and it also needs some space for the IS/IBIS system. This would define a minimum size for the depth of the camera - but the missing and voluminous parts would allow a smaller design.

The missing pentaprism would reduce the hight of the camera and if the mirrorbox is missing it would allow to put some technial parts more to the border of the way of the light towards the sensor. The camera could be smaller regarding its width.

We would end up with a camera that looks a little bit like a cube - a little bit like a small sized 645z.

My K1 is not too big for me and I like the mirror as protection for my sensor if I change my lenses.

Let's wait for the specifications of the new model if it would be a nice to have or almost a must have for me.

Best regards

Holger

Click to expand...

Hi Holger,

in the mean time I found a nice work of "Sir. Lister":

It could be anything....

Maybe K-02 was just wishful thinking

Anton

Click to expand...

Dear Anton!

Thank ou for your posting. If I look at your graphics I see most likely a FF EVF camera in KP body. Just my impression.

Best regards

Holger

I would call that a quite far fetched interpretation.

It seems that the form in the teaser image clearly is of a K3(-type) body, shape and sizewise.

But, no one said that the teaser is showing the forthcoming body. It could be just a generic symbol. And, IIRC, someone has written that on mouse over the info on a certain shutterspeed, or ISO appeared. Can't test that, since I'm only on my mobile phone.

ronniemac · Feb 13, 2018

Holger Bargen said:
Conjure said:

asahi man said:

Click to expand...

According to my German Pentax-Dealer:

There is no Pentak K3 successor (in 2018)

The picture does not show a K-70 successor.

My personal opinion:

A successor for the KP does not make much sense

The top of the picture is too small for fullframe pentaprism.

Maybe a K-02 (FF?) with electronic viewfinder?

Click to expand...

This is very interesting information and the obeservations you made are interesting, too.

No optical viewfinder would mean no mirror box. If they stay with the k-mount (and I don't expect a curved sensor or something like that as the speed at which Pentax rings out new lenses is simply not fast enough to expect an entire new line out of nothing.

I would expect a mirrorless FF camera with k-mount.

What does this mean: The camera can be much smaller as it doesn't need any mirrorbox or pentaprism. But it has to carry the flange typical for k-mount and it also needs some space for the IS/IBIS system. This would define a minimum size for the depth of the camera - but the missing and voluminous parts would allow a smaller design.

The missing pentaprism would reduce the hight of the camera and if the mirrorbox is missing it would allow to put some technial parts more to the border of the way of the light towards the sensor. The camera could be smaller regarding its width.

We would end up with a camera that looks a little bit like a cube - a little bit like a small sized 645z.

My K1 is not too big for me and I like the mirror as protection for my sensor if I change my lenses.

Let's wait for the specifications of the new model if it would be a nice to have or almost a must have for me.

Best regards

Holger

Looks very like a K-3ii to me so if it is anything to go by, a 'flagship' APS-C camera pitched above the KP which would be logical and nice too.

I do like the idea of a FF K-01 though, if a tilt screen and EVF was included, I would be up for it. Personally I really like the K-01design, and given the substantial size and weight of new FF lenses, there would be little point in altering the flange distance or changing the basic form except for the EVF and tilt screen, but yes, a better grip and improved ergonomics would be necessary. So different to the old K-01, but adopting the same basic design concept would be fine for me.

Of course, I really doubt this will happen - more's the pity. I am in the tiny subset minority endangered species who appreciate the form and beauty of the K-01.

On the other hand, there is a slight possibility that a GR will be developed as FF camera with a fixed focal length 28mm lens. Personally I would give this serious consideration if it included a built in EVF, tilt screen, and clip on mini flash.

Having stated all that, if there are no new cameras and the focus is on launching new prime lenses, I will be perfectly happy - I already have enough cameras to outlast me!

rwl408 · Feb 13, 2018

Conjure said:
According to my German Pentax-Dealer:

There is no Pentak K3 successor (in 2018)

The picture does not show a K-70 successor.

My personal opinion:

A successor for the KP does not make much sense

The top of the picture is too small for fullframe pentaprism.

Maybe a K-02 (FF?) with electronic viewfinder?

I will go along with a mirrorless camera. Smart Vision needs something beyond Theta and the mirrorless platform is the next logical step.

James O'Neill · Feb 13, 2018

Holger Bargen said:
Conjure said:

asahi man said:

Click to expand...

According to my German Pentax-Dealer:

There is no Pentak K3 successor (in 2018)

The picture does not show a K-70 successor.

My personal opinion:

A successor for the KP does not make much sense

The top of the picture is too small for fullframe pentaprism.

Maybe a K-02 (FF?) with electronic viewfinder?

Click to expand...

Given the commercial disaster that was the K-01 I think we can rule that idea out.

Holger Bargen said:
This is very interesting information and the obeservations you made are interesting, too.

No optical viewfinder would mean no mirror box.

No. If you have a K-mount lens the distance between the back of the lens has to be the same. So you get the same size box with no mirror in it not "no mirror-box" but a "no-mirror box"

Holger Bargen said:
If they stay with the k-mount (and I don't expect a curved sensor or something like that as the speed at which Pentax rings out new lenses is simply not fast enough to expect an entire new line out of nothing.

I would expect a mirrorless FF camera with k-mount.

Mirrorless K-mount is the worst of all worlds. A big camera because the lens to sensor distance forces it , but without a proper viewfinder.

Mirrorless means a new range of lenses. And given Ricoh's rate of lens introduction.... no, just no.

James O'Neill · Feb 13, 2018

Lyff said:
Conjure said:

Holger Bargen said:

Conjure said:

asahi man said:

Click to expand...

According to my German Pentax-Dealer:

There is no Pentak K3 successor (in 2018)

The picture does not show a K-70 successor.

My personal opinion:

A successor for the KP does not make much sense

The top of the picture is too small for fullframe pentaprism.

Maybe a K-02 (FF?) with electronic viewfinder?

Click to expand...

This is very interesting information and the obeservations you made are interesting, too.

No optical viewfinder would mean no mirror box. If they stay with the k-mount (and I don't expect a curved sensor or something like that as the speed at which Pentax rings out new lenses is simply not fast enough to expect an entire new line out of nothing.

I would expect a mirrorless FF camera with k-mount.

What does this mean: The camera can be much smaller as it doesn't need any mirrorbox or pentaprism. But it has to carry the flange typical for k-mount and it also needs some space for the IS/IBIS system. This would define a minimum size for the depth of the camera - but the missing and voluminous parts would allow a smaller design.

The missing pentaprism would reduce the hight of the camera and if the mirrorbox is missing it would allow to put some technial parts more to the border of the way of the light towards the sensor. The camera could be smaller regarding its width.

We would end up with a camera that looks a little bit like a cube - a little bit like a small sized 645z.

My K1 is not too big for me and I like the mirror as protection for my sensor if I change my lenses.

Let's wait for the specifications of the new model if it would be a nice to have or almost a must have for me.

Best regards

Holger

Click to expand...

Hi Holger,

in the mean time I found a nice work of "Sir. Lister":

It could be anything....

Maybe K-02 was just wishful thinking

Anton

Click to expand...

That looks much more like the K-3 series than any other body, if it’s truly a photo of the new camera it seems we have a flagship APSC coming.

If you turn up the gamma on that image it looks to have controls on the left of the image which are VERY like the those of the KP/K1 (two wheels rather than a flat top plate). The Pentaprism and bulge round the lens mount suggest APS-C size, so that says KP-II

Alex Sarbu · Feb 13, 2018

James O'Neill said:
Holger Bargen said:

Conjure said:

Maybe a K-02 (FF?) with electronic viewfinder?

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

Given the commercial disaster that was the K-01 I think we can rule that idea out.

Commercial disaster? It surely looks so, but... after a while, they've made a new - blue -edition. But I think that was a Japan-only model?

James O'Neill said:
James O'Neill said:

This is very interesting information and the obeservations you made are interesting, too.

No optical viewfinder would mean no mirror box.

Click to expand...

No. If you have a K-mount lens the distance between the back of the lens has to be the same. So you get the same size box with no mirror in it not "no mirror-box" but a "no-mirror box"

Absolutely. Well, technically it would be an empty box, not a mirror box

James O'Neill said:
James O'Neill said:

If they stay with the k-mount (and I don't expect a curved sensor or something like that as the speed at which Pentax rings out new lenses is simply not fast enough to expect an entire new line out of nothing.

I would expect a mirrorless FF camera with k-mount.

Click to expand...

Mirrorless K-mount is the worst of all worlds. A big camera because the lens to sensor distance forces it , but without a proper viewfinder.

I fully agree; thinking on the long term - about a mirrorless system, not a mirrorless one-off product like the K-01 - the proper solution is a dedicated mount. Otherwise they would always have the disadvantage of that empty space, even after the lens issues would've been long solved.

James O'Neill said:
Mirrorless means a new range of lenses. And given Ricoh's rate of lens introduction.... no, just no.

Not now, I agree. Maybe after the D FA lens line would look better. I guess at some point they'll have to do it (and the EVFs would improve).

Alex

Holger Bargen · Feb 13, 2018

James O'Neill said:
Holger Bargen said:

Conjure said:

asahi man said:

Click to expand...

According to my German Pentax-Dealer:

There is no Pentak K3 successor (in 2018)

The picture does not show a K-70 successor.

My personal opinion:

A successor for the KP does not make much sense

The top of the picture is too small for fullframe pentaprism.

Maybe a K-02 (FF?) with electronic viewfinder?

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

Given the commercial disaster that was the K-01 I think we can rule that idea out.

James O'Neill said:

This is very interesting information and the obeservations you made are interesting, too.

No optical viewfinder would mean no mirror box.

Click to expand...

No. If you have a K-mount lens the distance between the back of the lens has to be the same. So you get the same size box with no mirror in it not "no mirror-box" but a "no-mirror box"

James O'Neill said:

If they stay with the k-mount (and I don't expect a curved sensor or something like that as the speed at which Pentax rings out new lenses is simply not fast enough to expect an entire new line out of nothing.

I would expect a mirrorless FF camera with k-mount.

Click to expand...

Mirrorless K-mount is the worst of all worlds. A big camera because the lens to sensor distance forces it , but without a proper viewfinder.

Mirrorless means a new range of lenses. And given Ricoh's rate of lens introduction.... no, just no.

Mirrorless means: no mirror but EVF. The K-mount is does not allow a smaller design as the flange is defined. But on the other hand mirrorless cameras don't reduce the volume of camera gear a lot. It is just an advantage for the camera body (in my case less than 10% of the gear I carry with me) and extreme wide angle lenses - all other lenses have more of their flange inside the lens and will make lenses designed for mirrorless bigger than normal DSLR lenses.

The advantage of a mirrorless camera would be: no mirror and thus no problems with mirror-flapping. No mirror and thus higher burst rates. Some people prefer EVF and these people would get whar they want.

On the other hand in some situations (for me: most of the time) an OVF is better as it is the direct view on the object and has higher resulution with less energy consumption.

The k-mount itself does not mean that you can't build a mirrorless camera around it. And the advantage of a mount designed for mirrorless is not that big.

Now let me "dream" a little: The missing mirror in a camera with k-mount would open room to put the sensor on a sledge and build an AF system within the camera with it. That would be great. It would allow a very fast AF system for all of our MF lenses!

Best regards

Holger

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