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I'm an adept, longtime photoshop user. Although I subscribe to CC and can download LR without additional charge, I've never done so based on my (erroneous?) belief that (other than LR's advanced file handling/naming tools), anything that can be done in LR can also be done easily by experienced users in PS, with the added benefit of adjustment and masking layers. Am I misinformed? I'd love to hear from any experienced PS users who also use LR, including reasons why they might use LR instead of PS.

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I'm an adept, longtime photoshop user. Although I subscribe to CC and can download LR without additional charge, I've never done so based on my (erroneous?) belief that (other than LR's advanced file handling/naming tools), anything that can be done in LR can also be done easily by experienced users in PS, with the added benefit of adjustment and masking layers. Am I misinformed? I'd love to hear from any experienced PS users who also use LR, including reasons why they might use LR instead of PS.

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Photoshop lacking comprehensive DAM features quickly comes to mind. PS and LR complement each other, with a tiny few overlapping features.
 
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Check out the free tutorials on photoserge.com

The way he uses Lr will give you an idea of its advantages, especially if you're doing quick edits.
 
I'm an adept, longtime photoshop user. Although I subscribe to CC and can download LR without additional charge, I've never done so based on my (erroneous?) belief that (other than LR's advanced file handling/naming tools), anything that can be done in LR can also be done easily by experienced users in PS, with the added benefit of adjustment and masking layers. Am I misinformed? I'd love to hear from any experienced PS users who also use LR, including reasons why they might use LR instead of PS.
I’m a longtime PS user too, with little knowledge of LR. I’ll be interested to see what folks here have to say.

Other than file management, the main thing I might use LR for are the various filters you can download for it. There are tons, and some look interesting. I’m especially interested in seeing how close I can come to recapturing the look of my old Echtachrome slides. I’m imagining that I could apply a LR filter and dig into the settings to find out how they achieved it. I could be way off base, however.
 
I'm an adept, longtime photoshop user. Although I subscribe to CC and can download LR without additional charge, I've never done so based on my (erroneous?) belief that (other than LR's advanced file handling/naming tools), anything that can be done in LR can also be done easily by experienced users in PS, with the added benefit of adjustment and masking layers. Am I misinformed? I'd love to hear from any experienced PS users who also use LR, including reasons why they might use LR instead of PS.
You talk as if Lightroom is nothing more than an editor. It is much more than an editor, it is a complete workflow solution, from the step of ingesting your photos from your camera, organizing them, editing and distributing the photos via any one of a number of methods. From that point of view, I consider Lightroom indispensible, and Photoshop to be needed only one those occasions when I need layers, which isn't often for me.
 
I'm an adept, longtime photoshop user. Although I subscribe to CC and can download LR without additional charge, I've never done so based on my (erroneous?) belief that (other than LR's advanced file handling/naming tools), anything that can be done in LR can also be done easily by experienced users in PS, with the added benefit of adjustment and masking layers. Am I misinformed? I'd love to hear from any experienced PS users who also use LR, including reasons why they might use LR instead of PS.
I’m a longtime PS user too, with little knowledge of LR. I’ll be interested to see what folks here have to say.

Other than file management, the main thing I might use LR for are the various filters you can download for it. There are tons, and some look interesting. I’m especially interested in seeing how close I can come to recapturing the look of my old Echtachrome slides. I’m imagining that I could apply a LR filter and dig into the settings to find out how they achieved it. I could be way off base, however.
Lightroom is a total workflow solution. Much more than organizing tool with the ability to use filters. (By the way, I object to calling LR a "file management" tool, because although it does that, it has a lot more tools to help you organize than just "file management").

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I'm an adept, longtime photoshop user. Although I subscribe to CC and can download LR without additional charge, I've never done so based on my (erroneous?) belief that (other than LR's advanced file handling/naming tools), anything that can be done in LR can also be done easily by experienced users in PS, with the added benefit of adjustment and masking layers. Am I misinformed? I'd love to hear from any experienced PS users who also use LR, including reasons why they might use LR instead of PS.
I’m a longtime PS user too, with little knowledge of LR. I’ll be interested to see what folks here have to say.

Other than file management, the main thing I might use LR for are the various filters you can download for it. There are tons, and some look interesting. I’m especially interested in seeing how close I can come to recapturing the look of my old Echtachrome slides. I’m imagining that I could apply a LR filter and dig into the settings to find out how they achieved it. I could be way off base, however.
Lightroom is a total workflow solution. Much more than organizing tool with the ability to use filters. (By the way, I object to calling LR a "file management" tool, because although it does that, it has a lot more tools to help you organize than just "file management").
Here’s a LR question that I hope isn’t hijacking the OP’s thread: I have thousands of photos I’ve organized into various folders over the years. How useful would it be to pull them all into LR at this point? What would be the benefits? And how laborious would it be?

Like the OP, I’m trying to figure out how/if using Lightroom would make sense for me.
 
...Here’s a LR question that I hope isn’t hijacking the OP’s thread: I have thousands of photos I’ve organized into various folders over the years. How useful would it be to pull them all into LR at this point? What would be the benefits? And how laborious would it be?...
Thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands?

As far as labor is concerned, about 4 years ago I took my pile of about 60K photos and although they were for the most part already in LR, the first 10-15K had no keywords as they were imported as I was just learning PP. Moreover, there were a lot of duplicates, different versions, and plain junk included. I went through the whole lot, dumped the junk, placed keywords on the images without any, placed additional keywords on images that were lacking completeness. Wound up with about 18K photos fairly well organized.

The whole process took about 3 weeks of spare time. So if you have thousands of photos, no sweat. Tens of thousands, it will take a while. Hundreds of thousands, consider it a long-term project and find a strategy to break it up into small parts. Maybe separate it into separate years?

With that having been done, I was easily able to locate photos from 10-15 years past. When a friend died, just searching on his name showed me a number of photos I had completely forgotten I took, and I could contribute them to the memorial. The LR catalog has a much better memory than I do.

PS: I organize photos into folders with subject names. If I were using that to look for specific people, I would have to look through all the folders that I might think included those people. I might miss some folders that included those people. The keywords make the difference in that case.

LR also can organize things into collections. A given photo can be in more than one collection without duplicating the photo, something you can't do with folders. Using LR, you're working with a database, not just an organized pile of photos.
 
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LR is ACR on photo editing steroids. Basically all the windows you find in ACR are are in LR but opened all of the time. It is like opening a RAW file as a smart object so you can go back into ACR.

Unlike PS LR's uses a catalogue system (DAM) remembers all my edits - forever. I can export Jpegs or whatever and delete them later if I want to. Need them again, just export.

The catalogue itself is unique. A record of your adjustments that you can kept on a different drive that your files are stored. I can make edits using LR, go into those files with Canon's DPP, make edits and it won't effect LR's edits. Since it is a catalogue system there are some rules to follow like how you move folders around to maintain links between the catalogue and files. I try to work within LR but you can fix broken links.

As for the steroids part you have graduated, radial and brush adjustments so you can do a lot without sending to PS. The new Range Mask makes it even better.


Since LR is not a pixel editor you can send a file to PS while maintaining your LR edits. It opens as a RAW file. Make your additional edits and you can save it back into LR as a TIFF or PSD. It opens as a second file beside the original CR2. I flag the CR2 and hide it under the TIFF so it does not export. LR won't do layers and you can't create actions but you can use presets that are available at all times. The new Range Mask helps with the layers.

It took me two free trials and about a year to warm up to LR because of the exporting. In PS you can resize and sharpen so you can see your final product before saving. In LR you enter your final size, pick media type and select high, standard or low for sharpening. I had a tough time with that because of too many years of using PS. I did some tests with my local printer and got really good results so I used it for event editing. The export page has a lot to offer and you can set your own presets for various media types.

I still used PS for my hobby shots as I had my own actions but about a year ago stared to use LR more often and now all of the time. I don't know what those people people from the PixelGenius group did but the more I use it the more I appreciate it. Recently that group made PK sharpener for PS free so I'm trying it out.

Jeff Schewe said at Luminous Landscape that LR's print module was better than PS. I don't print as I use a local printer so I can't compare.

Last thing is you can create collections and do all sorts of stuff with the DAM. I haven't really gotten into that so I don't know much about it.

So for events shooting LR saved me. My wife said there was a lot less cussing coming from the digital darkroom after I got it. As for a pixel editor and depending on your needs PS may still be for you. If you only need the pixel editor occasionally then starting in LR and sending to LR is not bad. You don't want to do it for every second file but it also depends on how many you edit.
 
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...Since LR is not a pixel editor...
LR didn't start out as a pixel editor and for the most part it still isn't. However, some newer features such as gradient, radial, brush, adjustments, redeye correction, and a host of other things that edit pixels.
 
In LR you enter your final size, pick media type and select high, standard or low for sharpening.

Just wanted t add to this. In PS you see your final resizing/sharpening edit. In LR you see it after the export. I just felt like I lost control but using LR you don't have to eyeball and sharpen for media type. It does it for you and does a great job. Even when viewing sharpening for screen/web after export is excellent.
 
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...Since LR is not a pixel editor...
LR didn't start out as a pixel editor and for the most part it still isn't. However, some newer features such as gradient, radial, brush, adjustments, redeye correction, and a host of other things that edit pixels.
Yes exactly. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
And I did forget to mention that LR keeps the history of its edits, unlike PS. In PS you can go back in the history until you close the session. In LR you can go back any time (although it is possible to write over some of the edits if you go part way back in the history and then add some more edits).
 
And I did forget to mention that LR keeps the history of its edits, unlike PS. In PS you can go back in the history until you close the session. In LR you can go back any time (although it is possible to write over some of the edits if you go part way back in the history and then add some more edits).
One of my favourite parts.
 
A key difference (aside from the obvious DAM features) is how info about edits is stored.

Ps files, if you use say adjustment layers, stores info in the file. And with layers, that can grow a big file fast. Lr can store in the file, but it adds far less, and adds nothing if you just store the info in Lr's database.

So if you had to say convert a ton of images to BW, crop 'em, correct perspective, and so on, I'd wager each saved Ps file would take up more space than all that editing in Lr. Space is cheap, but still. If I had to convert a couple days of images all with just the kinds of edits one does pro forma (the types of ACR stuff you'd do in Ps) then Lr would just be more efficient at that. So maybe look at it like an ACR alternative vs a Ps alternative.

Start doing things like making virtual copies, and you begin to see why in some situations that's better than saving info in layers or even history in Ps, let alone separate files.

Lr also has publishing, which can be very useful at the end of a workflow. Ps can't maintain the same kind of relationship with exported files as publishing does. Got the same image that needs to go to print in different ways, and for web, and export to send as email, and then you might say hmm, better to do the editing in Lr if at all possible.

These things lend themselves to workflows with lots of images. Yes, Ps can work with batches, and repetitive processes and such, but Lr is designed with that in mind. Kind of fewer edits on more images, while Ps is more edits on fewer images. At least the way I use 'em, but the beauty of them together (and don't forget ugly stepsister Bridge) is that there are many ways of arriving at the same result.
 
A key difference (aside from the obvious DAM features) is how info about edits is stored.

Ps files, if you use say adjustment layers, stores info in the file. And with layers, that can grow a big file fast. Lr can store in the file, but it adds far less, and adds nothing if you just store the info in Lr's database.

So if you had to say convert a ton of images to BW, crop 'em, correct perspective, and so on, I'd wager each saved Ps file would take up more space than all that editing in Lr. Space is cheap, but still. If I had to convert a couple days of images all with just the kinds of edits one does pro forma (the types of ACR stuff you'd do in Ps) then Lr would just be more efficient at that. So maybe look at it like an ACR alternative vs a Ps alternative.

Start doing things like making virtual copies, and you begin to see why in some situations that's better than saving info in layers or even history in Ps, let alone separate files.

Lr also has publishing, which can be very useful at the end of a workflow. Ps can't maintain the same kind of relationship with exported files as publishing does. Got the same image that needs to go to print in different ways, and for web, and export to send as email, and then you might say hmm, better to do the editing in Lr if at all possible.

These things lend themselves to workflows with lots of images. Yes, Ps can work with batches, and repetitive processes and such, but Lr is designed with that in mind. Kind of fewer edits on more images, while Ps is more edits on fewer images. At least the way I use 'em, but the beauty of them together (and don't forget ugly stepsister Bridge) is that there are many ways of arriving at the same result.
I tried Bridge long ago and never really liked it. I didn't even install it this time.
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Check out the free tutorials on photoserge.com

The way he uses Lr will give you an idea of its advantages, especially if you're doing quick edits.
I don't see free tutorials on photoserge - they seem to be all for pay
 
...Since LR is not a pixel editor...
LR didn't start out as a pixel editor and for the most part it still isn't. However, some newer features such as gradient, radial, brush, adjustments, redeye correction, and a host of other things that edit pixels.
LR is not a pixel editor period, and LR 's dam is not a true dam. All facts look them up ?

Regards Patsym
 
The printing module in Lightroom is truly great. It’s also much easier to export to social media, email, etc., from Lightroom. The Lightroom Mobile app is great, too - included with the subscription.
 
I'm an adept, longtime photoshop user. Although I subscribe to CC and can download LR without additional charge, I've never done so based on my (erroneous?) belief that (other than LR's advanced file handling/naming tools), anything that can be done in LR can also be done easily by experienced users in PS, with the added benefit of adjustment and masking layers. Am I misinformed? I'd love to hear from any experienced PS users who also use LR, including reasons why they might use LR instead of PS.
I’m a longtime PS user too, with little knowledge of LR. I’ll be interested to see what folks here have to say.

Other than file management, the main thing I might use LR for are the various filters you can download for it. There are tons, and some look interesting. I’m especially interested in seeing how close I can come to recapturing the look of my old Echtachrome slides. I’m imagining that I could apply a LR filter and dig into the settings to find out how they achieved it. I could be way off base, however.
Lightroom is a total workflow solution. Much more than organizing tool with the ability to use filters. (By the way, I object to calling LR a "file management" tool, because although it does that, it has a lot more tools to help you organize than just "file management").
Here’s a LR question that I hope isn’t hijacking the OP’s thread: I have thousands of photos I’ve organized into various folders over the years. How useful would it be to pull them all into LR at this point? What would be the benefits? And how laborious would it be?

Like the OP, I’m trying to figure out how/if using Lightroom would make sense for me.
 

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