It's true - lugs can snap nylon cords

I like the simplicity of Rob's idea, but I too think that it might be a little too thin for comfort, since I actually do wear my camera around my neck some of the time.

Greg, you're going to go nuts when you hear this, but after 45 or so years of trying all sorts of different camera straps (and you and I are just about the same age), with the Fuji system I really prefer the factory straps. Most of the time when I'm out shooting I have the camera in my hand with the strap looped a few times around my wrist. The factory straps work perfectly for that.

bs1946 said:

So I switched to a Peak Design Leash strap for the X-T2 but I don't like it that much. The Leash is quite thin and digs into my neck or shoulder depending on how I wear it. Perhaps, one of their wider straps would be more comfortable but, I am looking for something to replace it.

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Bill, I posted earlier in this thread that I have tried both the Slide and the Slide Lite (both the new v3) from Peak Design on my recent two week trip. I also have their newer hand strap - the one with the magnet in it. Gave that to the Mrs. as I couldn’t get comfortable with the magnet right on top of my 16-55 in the Bag.

I found that the Slide v3 works perfectly for the X-T2 and my lens. For added security and piece of mind, in those situations that warrant it, I would clip the camera to the shoulder strap of my very small messenger bag using their new Capture v3 clip AND the Slide strao. Examples of the need for this setup would be when light hiking through old excavated caves (people were much smaller 5,000 years ago) - don’t want the camera to swing into rock moving around or when walking through an extremely crowded market navigating people and snapping frames.

Try their new Sling strap. It is a better fit width wise for me.

Hey Frank. That factory strap is not bad. It's thin and light. But you would love the DSPTCH. It has a quick release, is low mass, and is very adjustable as a sling or neck strap.

FrankB2 said:

Miskec said:

borderplatz said:

i have recentlt moved to the Optech strap option, my proloop attatchments are much thicker, that thinner cord option attatchment i would not use, good catch before it broke

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The only problem is I don't use the metal rings and attach the op loop connector directly to the camera lug. I understand the potential danger but I will continue to use the it without the metal rings. Far too many forums said that metal rings wear out the lugs, which is unacceptable.

Neven

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I must have missed something, as this is the first I've heard of split rings wearing out strap lugs. I've been using split rings on strap lugs since the 1970's. When did this become a problem? Is it something more recent?

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My photo blog: www.frankbaiamonte.com

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Oh yes, google it. There are numerous photos. And it looks...yikes!

Rod McD said:

Hi,

Man! All these expensive clunking multi-part things attached to cameras...... My suggestion - go down your local outdoor/climbing supplier and by a metre or so of rock-climbing cord for next to nothing off the roll. Tie into the camera directly. Soft. Silent. Won't mark your camera. No need for protectors. No clanking metal and synthetic bits. No stitching that fails. And nothing stronger on the planet. Spend an extra couple of bucks and buy a spare metre while you're at it.

Cheers, Rod

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Interesting suggestion. I find it hard to imagine having the cord on my neck, it looks thin and odd.but it is a cool idea.

Thank you

neven

bs1946 said:

I have three different camera straps, plus a wrist strap that have snap connectors on them. I use 16mm split rings on my X-E2 and X-T2. Plus I also have little rubber o-rings that protect the body from being scratched by the rings.

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If i’ll use the split rings, i will add the rubber rings.

bs1946 said:

I was a solid fan of these speed clips for the ability to quickly put a strap on or remove it. But, I've now had three occurrences where the snap clips have come off the split rings. The latest incident occurred when my X-T2 was less than two weeks old and I now have scrape marks on the bottom of the body as a result.

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ouch! Luckily, i haven’t drop any of the cameras i own.

bs1946 said:

All of the clips and split rings are made from high quality stainless steel and were options offered by the strap maker.

So I switched to a Peak Design Leash strap for the X-T2 but I don't like it that much. The Leash is quite thin and digs into my neck or shoulder depending on how I wear it. Perhaps, one of their wider straps would be more comfortable but, I am looking for something to replace it.

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There are a number of custom strap makers offering straps using paracord which is about the same as climbing rope. Sailor Strap in Poland was the first I saw. Now Annie Barton in Hong Kong has added paracord straps to their line of custom leather straps. Last night I came across another strap maker, TieHerUp, who makes expensive leather straps for Leica cameras, and they are offering paracord straps for the SL and Q.

Of course, these are all custom neck straps, finished with leather ends and split rings, for more than $100 plus shipping.

Greg7579 said:

All Fuji shooters should use the nylon string quick release systems attached directly to the lugs. Do not remove the interior part of the lug.

Do not use the metal triangles.

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Why not?

Sincere question, not trying to sound snarky. What problem does that create?

I hated the stiff synthetic leather on the Fuji X-T20 strap because it doesn't just flop when putting the camera in a bag. It sticks up and you have to shove it in. (Fuji should learn from my Panasonic strap of the same size that flops properly.)

Just got the Peak Design Leash strap and attached the loops to the Fuji-supplied strap triangles. I'd seen YouTube videos showing the elastic fraying on the Fuji lugs, some after only a few months.

rlmack said:

Just got the Peak Design Leash strap and attached the loops to the Fuji-supplied strap triangles. I'd seen YouTube videos showing the elastic fraying on the Fuji lugs, some after only a few months.

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Believe it or not, with lots of movement, hiking and navigating crowded streets for hours, the Peak Design strings (I have the latest that came with all of my v3 PD straps and clips) can and will become undone from those Fuji supplies triangles. It happened to me twice in a week long period on my recent trip.

I removed the triangles and threaded the PD strings directly through the lug holes. Not a problem since. As Greg said, watch for the wear indicators that are RED housed within the outer sheathing of the nylon strings.

lewiedude2 said:

rlmack said:

Just got the Peak Design Leash strap and attached the loops to the Fuji-supplied strap triangles. I'd seen YouTube videos showing the elastic fraying on the Fuji lugs, some after only a few months.

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Believe it or not, with lots of movement, hiking and navigating crowded streets for hours, the Peak Design strings (I have the latest that came with all of my v3 PD straps and clips) can and will become undone from those Fuji supplies triangles. It happened to me twice in a week long period on my recent trip.

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My experiences as well, except I first found out it was possible for the Peak Design anchor to work itself out of the triangles was when my X-T2 with 16-55 suddenly came loose, only held up by the camera strap caught under the shoulder strap of my camera bag. I am so glad that Peak Design came up with the narrower anchors.

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I removed the triangles and threaded the PD strings directly through the lug holes. Not a problem since. As Greg said, watch for the wear indicators that are RED housed within the outer sheathing of the nylon strings.

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That is exactly what I do as well. So far, I have never seen any indications of wear marks. I make it a point to remove the anchors from my cameras on a regular basis and examine them closely for wear. So far, nothing.

The quick release strings on both the straps I mentioned are cheap and can be ordered in packages of three. They have wear indicators. Mine have not worn and I use my camera and walk with it around my neck more than anyone you know (I'll bet), and probably way more than anyone on this forum. They have not worn yet, but I changed strings after reading all this.

The metal triangles are clunky and scratch the camera, but using them is not problem if it manes you feel like the camera is more secure.

Now I have probably jinxed myself. A string will break on my next long trip and my camera will crash to the bottom of a cliff (hopefully without me behind it trying to catch it).

Marcos Villaroman said:

My experiences as well, except I first found out it was possible for the Peak Design anchor to work itself out of the triangles was when my X-T2 with 16-55 suddenly came loose, only held up by the camera strap caught under the shoulder strap of my camera bag. I am so glad that Peak Design came up with the narrower anchors.

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During that one week period when the unthinkable "unwinding" of the PD string came off the left wire triagle, my camera was sitting on a seat and I picked it up in both the strap and right hand grip - the little string completely became unattached to the triangle and I thought for a minute about how that could have happened. I thought that it was one of my kids that was playing around with the camera when i wasn't looking. Then it happened again and the second time it was ABOUT to come off...never again with the PD strings and a metal "threaded" piece of equipment...too much movement means it will happen.

So, no metal triangles any longer! I religiously check the strings now.

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Marcos Villaroman said:

My experiences as well, except I first found out it was possible for the Peak Design anchor to work itself out of the triangles was when my X-T2 with 16-55 suddenly came loose, only held up by the camera strap caught under the shoulder strap of my camera bag. I am so glad that Peak Design came up with the narrower anchors.

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During that one week period when the unthinkable "unwinding" of the PD string came off the left wire triagle, my camera was sitting on a seat and I picked it up in both the strap and right hand grip - the little string completely became unattached to the triangle and I thought for a minute about how that could have happened. I thought that it was one of my kids that was playing around with the camera when i wasn't looking. Then it happened again and the second time it was ABOUT to come off...never again with the PD strings and a metal "threaded" piece of equipment...too much movement means it will happen.

So, no metal triangles any longer! I religiously check the strings now.

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Checking gear on a regular basis, including the strap connectors, sounds like a great idea. I usually check my cameras for dust on lenses or on sensors; must also check the strap connectors.

Too many things can get bumped while your camera is "just sitting" in your camera bag. Knobs can be twisted, including turning the camera on; the camera strap can get twisted, including a think cord could work itself loose; etc.

Looking back, this happened a lot with my Canon DSLR gear. Aside from the power switch, I really like how the X-T2 has knobs with locks on them.

If connector fraying becomes more of a problem, I would consider changing out the Peak Design anchors on a regular basis, regardless of physical condition. Sort of like how I would always change the smoke detector batteries every year on New Years day.

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Greg7579 said:

All Fuji shooters should use the nylon string quick release systems attached directly to the lugs. Do not remove the interior part of the lug.

Do not use the metal triangles.

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Why not?

Sincere question, not trying to sound snarky. What problem does that create?

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Fuji had a problem with their strap lugs breaking. So instead of a total redesign, they came up with the idea of the insert to strengthen the lugs. The first to get them was the X-E2. But the fix meant that the average split ring and most of the cord connectors, like Peak Design, would not fit the new lug holes, so they also began using those stupid triangles that remind me of a couple of reworked paper clips. peak Design has come out with thinner cord on their connectors and if you get 16mm split rings, they will also fit the smaller Fuji big holes.

If you remove the inserts to enlarge the lug hole, a couple of things occurring. First you void your warranty with any issues involving the lug holes, plus you run the risk of incurring the original problem of breaking the lugs, and Fuji will be glad to charge you a bundle to fix them.

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I hated the stiff synthetic leather on the Fuji X-T20 strap because it doesn't just flop when putting the camera in a bag. It sticks up and you have to shove it in. (Fuji should learn from my Panasonic strap of the same size that flops properly.)

Just got the Peak Design Leash strap and attached the loops to the Fuji-supplied strap triangles. I'd seen YouTube videos showing the elastic fraying on the Fuji lugs, some after only a few months.

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That fraying isn't going to happen overnight so if you have the latest thinner loops, you will be better off, removing the triangles and threading the loops through your X-T20's lugs. Even with the new thinner and stronger loops, getting them through the lug holes can be a pain. I took a needle and thread, tied the loop to the thread and used the needle to quickly and easily pull the loop through the lug hole.

Rod McD said:

There you go..... Taken recently coz I'm going to post a review of the lens in the Adapted Lens Forum. (MF Sigma 180/5.6 Apo Macro). The cord is OOF, but you get the idea.

Cheers, Rod

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I apologize in advance for nit picking..but I can tell you as a climber..that is no climbing cord!! I would not trust my life on that. I was envisioning 5 or 6mm cord through the metal triangles..something I may try for a leash.

Clive

lengthy discussion about the metal triangle connectors. Get a round one. It works fine. See my previous response with pictures. Not cumbersome, lugs don't wear, things don't come undone.

Thanks for all the answers about problems using the triangles. I'll have to reconsider. I was impatient attaching the loops and didn't have anything handy to shove them through the lugs.

Hi,

I used to climb and cave, and agree with you. I wouldn't put my life on it either. I can't remember the manufacturer's name. I bought it from the climbing section in one of the better outdoor shops in Adelaide and it was rated at 100Kg breaking strain. Enough for a leash, as you say, and enough for an XT1, methinks. But not for putting one's life on. I use it because I'm confident in it after three years of use and hate big straps that take up more room in the case than the camera.

As I said in an earlier post, I don't actually wear the camera around my neck for long. I use primes up to the size of the 16mm from a shoulder case and the camera goes in and out. Hiking in rough terrain, cycling, kayaking or actually climbing with anything around your neck is a bad idea.

Cheers, Rod

just so I understand the metal holes built in the camera can wear out the cords? I'm using a peak design wrist strap with the anchor link looped directly to the camera strap hole, (not using the triangle loop that came with the camera)

Paracord straps are strong, lightweight and durable. Using the technique in this video, you can easily make them adjustable.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwR52_KCXYs