d750 successor?

Social connectivity doesn't sell cameras in China. Never will. And social isn't as attractive as it used to be, here. Because Nazis.

It's not more complicated than that. If you disagree with me, make an argument. Push some data. If you can't? Well, rethink your position and come back.
The basis for your argument is just plain wrong. "Social media" is not synonymous with "Facebook." China has plenty of social media. It's different in that it is controlled & censored; but it's still social media.
In fact, cash is becoming obsolete in China...due to social media platforms like WeChat (which has almost a billion users):
China doesn't have social media?

See what happens when you take your tin foil hat off? The chemtrail gas has gotten to you! Run back to the bunker!
Here's the problem with your post: you aren't reading what you've linked. And you've never actually used WeChat.

I have and do!

So, let's just again be perfectly clear:

WeChat isn't social media.

Take it from someone who lives a quarter of the year in Shanghai and Hong Kong. WeChat is a DM platform, on which there are game, commerce, and payment apps. The closest thing we have to in the west is your phone's OS--without the ability to run anything like Facebook or Instagram.

Look, It's not social because there's no social feed, no social publishing, no viral "creator content." No aspiring filmmakers or photographers can "bypassing the gatekeepers" with WeChat. The whole point of social media is that it isn't controlled by the state or by institutional gatekeepers--or at least, that was Bill Ferris's argument.

Clue in, friend. You're out of your depth, here.
 
With the continued movement of advertising dollars to mobile-accessible sites and the growth of visuals/images replacing keywords as search targets, image-making devices that meet the UI expectations of a generation that has grown up with in the Web, are the devices that will spawn the next generation of dedicated image-makers and visual storytellers.

Just as today's rising filmmakers don't need Hollywood to reach an audience, emerging artists and creatives in all media - including photography - are not restricted to working with brick & mortar institutions as gatekeepers to an audience. Those institutions are bypassed every day by folks who connect directly with audiences via social media and other interactive, online platforms.
And increasingly, those every-day folks are using interactive, online platforms to organize hate, bigotry, and nuclear threats; to troll; to live-stream murder suicides, or just to laugh at the dead bodies of people who've committed suicide in a Japanese forest. Because, you know.
Close your eyes and click you're heels together, three times, while repeating, "There's no place like home." It'll be OK, really.
Sure it will. But not because we're sarcastic jerks about other people's suffering, [snip]
Because the next camera Nikon releases will be the answer to social Injustice and oppression, around the globe.
Geez, don't be such a snowflake, Bill. [snip]

The nazis have been bad for business, dude! [snip]
If you're genuinely interested in inviting others to engage in a conversation, you might consider altering your approach:
  • Don't lead with insults
Said the man who told me to "click my heels and say 'no place like home'" when he didn't have an argument to make. I believe it's quoted in the thread, right up there in baby blue!
  • Don't invoke Nazis
But Nazis invoked themselves on social media. I didn't make their activity up. It's not fiction. Why should we pretend that they haven't been particularly, loudly active on these platforms in recent years, or that other users and businesses haven't noticed this?
Good luck with that.
Good luck to you too, sir!
 
Last edited:
Here's the problem with your post: you aren't reading what you've linked. And you've never actually used WeChat.

I have and do!

So, let's just again be perfectly clear:

WeChat isn't social media.

Take it from someone who lives a quarter of the year in Shanghai and Hong Kong. WeChat is a DM platform, on which there are game, commerce, and payment apps. The closest thing we have to in the west is your phone's OS--without the ability to run anything like Facebook or Instagram.

Look, It's not social because there's no social feed, no social publishing, no viral "creator content." No aspiring filmmakers or photographers can "bypassing the gatekeepers" with WeChat. The whole point of social media is that it isn't controlled by the state or by institutional gatekeepers--or at least, that was Bill Ferris's argument.

Clue in, friend. You're out of your depth, here.
Then you don't know what the word "social" means. Which makes sense.
 
WeChat isn't social media.

Take it from someone who lives a quarter of the year in Shanghai and Hong Kong. WeChat is a DM platform, on which there are game, commerce, and payment apps. The closest thing we have to in the west is your phone's OS--without the ability to run anything like Facebook or Instagram.
Then you don't know what the word "social" means. Which makes sense.
Yeah . . . I think it's a little more likely that you're talking about something you've never actually used. And I can't fault you--it would be hard to understand WeChat without actually using it in its home culture.

You want to think that there's something like Facebook or Instagram or Twitter in China. But I'm here to tell you, there isn't. WeChat is really different. I'm not just twisting you to win an argument, here.

Imagine that Snapchat were highly monitored / censored by the government--even your one-to-one messaging roll--and that it also allowed you to buy things or make payments. That's maybe the closest analogy? Again, it's more like an operating system in of itself than an app or a social service.

For our purposes here, the big fundamental difference is that you can't "publish" on WeChat. You can't be a "creator" with WeChat (unless you want to make a physical product to sell on it?) The state is the gatekeeper of publishing in China--end of story, no exceptions.

The other thing that's radically different about WeChat is that it isn't as abstract as Facebook or the 'gram or Twitter. It's deeply rooted into daily life--it's how you pay for lunch and your didi car, how you reserve your hotel, how you signal your co-worker to setup a meeting. WeChat helps you get with people face-to-face--it doesn't supplant in-person interaction and socialization the way Western social media does for some users.

Look, I think the hurt, here, amounts to you really liking the idea of what Social Media in the West used to be--the massive promise, the incredible opportunity. The ability to publish! And friend, I hear you on that. 2012, 2013, 2014--those were heady years. Facebook and Instagram and Twitter were blowing open whole new worlds of possibility. If Nikon had jumped into it in 2012 or 2013, it would've been the best decision they'd ever made, and they'd have had a few wonderful years riding into it.

I am saddened, too, by the end of that era of possibility. I really, really am. But, if you're engaged in business, as Nikon is, you can't live in denial. That's part of their problem now! You've got to look at the data, read the trend lines, watch what's going on, and plot a course with the clearest possible eyes.

Maybe things will turn around. Zuckerberg has made "fixing Facebook" his yearly self-improvement project for 2018, and maybe he will succeed in polishing off some of the stain the brand has picked up in the last year or two. But I would also suggest to you that Zuckerberg acknowledging the problems in this way proves they are both real and serious.
 
Last edited:
Good luck with that.
Good luck to you too, sir!
Nice of you two to end on a relatively civil note.

This was an EPIC thread to read. Definitely the best discussion I've read in a while on the "D750 Successor" or Nikon's or the Camera Industry's future.

Yes it was indirect, but my big takeaway:

These companies need to think about CHINA.

Maybe they already are, and maybe that's why American and European observers don't really understand the moves Nikon and Canon are making.

It's a perspective I haven't heard many commentators talking about. Not even Thom Hogan.

In the West want socially-connected cameras, but that might not add much appeal to a Chinese consumer.

Explains a lot. And, thinking about the D750's successor, it makes me wonder what a Chinese photographer would want that might be different than that I would want!

Honestly, I have no idea.

Anybody here posting from China care to comment?

Thanks Bill, Em, and Beatboxa, for taking the time and effort to argue it out. Much applause.
 
When you think about it, developing a new camera in this market is a tricky business. Look at how most of your friends are taking pictures. Fewer and fewer are using real cameras, because "it is so convenient to use my smartphone." We who haunt the dpreview and uglyhedgehog are becoming a smaller and smaller population segment, but at the same token, a more demanding one. That is why the Nikon D850 is doing well, and the Sony A7riii and high end Canon still have a niche.

There is a real demand for entry level FX sensor cameras, as enthusiasts have migrated from film some time ago, but are less than happy with DX limitations. I am one of those people, but I've saved up the money to buy a D850 and new lenses (but can still use my old film Nikkor AI lenses in manual mode). Sure, I would have considered a newer, improved version of the D750, but it is not going to be cheap either. Frankly, I get tired of reading the same old wish lists and "what to expect" lists. If the D850 is too much money, just wait. Nikon knows the D610 and D750 need to be done over, as there is a market segment to be exploited. Their research and development is not influenced by these forums, but is affected by market demand and improvements in technology. Production costs and marketability will determine the introduction of the next FX sensor Nikon cameras.
 
The one thing you can bet money on is that it will not have all the features of the D850.
No it definitely won't.

I just hope Nikon does not pull the same stunt like they did with the D7500 by removing existing features.
I think that is exactly the stunt that Nikon will pull. I think the D750 was originally planned to be the D610, then they had the D600 shutter issue, introduced a hasty fix and called it the D610, which meant when the camera that was supposed to be the D610 came along, they had to find a new name. This round, Nikon loves the number '5', and the only way they can manage a 5 for the new low end FX is 'D650'. Then the increased frame rate of the D850 makes it cover both the high res and high speed briefs, so there is less need for a camera filling the slot that the D750 did. So, what I'm expecting is a D7500 to the D850's D500. Possibly using the D850 sensor (that must have cost Nikon a pretty penny, and it won't stay in the D850 only), slower frame rate, 51 point AF and probably a lower spec body, to be called the D650.
 
The one thing you can bet money on is that it will not have all the features of the D850.
No it definitely won't.

I just hope Nikon does not pull the same stunt like they did with the D7500 by removing existing features.
I think that is exactly the stunt that Nikon will pull. I think the D750 was originally planned to be the D610, then they had the D600 shutter issue, introduced a hasty fix and called it the D610, which meant when the camera that was supposed to be the D610 came along, they had to find a new name. This round, Nikon loves the number '5', and the only way they can manage a 5 for the new low end FX is 'D650'. Then the increased frame rate of the D850 makes it cover both the high res and high speed briefs, so there is less need for a camera filling the slot that the D750 did. So, what I'm expecting is a D7500 to the D850's D500. Possibly using the D850 sensor (that must have cost Nikon a pretty penny, and it won't stay in the D850 only), slower frame rate, 51 point AF and probably a lower spec body, to be called the D650.
 
Besides not having 4K 60P, I think the D750 is still very capable. Im having a hard time seing, wich essential upgrades could be done. This review also touches on the subject:

I wonder, if Nikon is going mirrorless for the successor of the D750? Would make sense, as it is the "all-round"-camera in the semi-pro lineup.
 
Besides not having 4K 60P, I think the D750 is still very capable. Im having a hard time seing, wich essential upgrades could be done. This review also touches on the subject:

I wonder, if Nikon is going mirrorless for the successor of the D750? Would make sense, as it is the "all-round"-camera in the semi-pro lineup.
I'm quite happy with my D750 as it is, but would like to see the following in an updated version:
  • Max shutter speed increased to 1/8000 sec.
  • Higher flash sync speed
  • Same AF module as in D850
  • Higher resolution LCD
  • Retain the pop-up flash
  • AF joystick
As to mirrorless - I doubt very much that Nikon will replace the D750 with a mirrorless camera, that is just too risky for them as not everybody wants to go mirrorless at this point. However, they may consider some mirrorless version of this class of camera - and I believe (hope!) that is what they are going to do.

I would really like to have a mirrorless version of the D750, that will give me the best of both worlds. :-)

--
Jacques
apple-and-eve.com
 
Last edited:

Keyboard shortcuts

Back
Top