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New 2D to replace 1D
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Ken Phillips
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... if somebody says that a 2D will REPLACE the 1D, I'll call them a fool ... but I could be wrong ... they may just be ignorant!
All I want in the new 1D is a clean ISO 12800, 72 frame buffer (two rolls of film worth!) and ten frames per second at six megapixels. And WA capable firmware.
Don't care about 1.3x or FF ... either way.
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All I want in the new 1D is a clean ISO 12800, 72 frame buffer (two rolls of film worth!) and ten frames per second at six megapixels. And WA capable firmware.
Don't care about 1.3x or FF ... either way.
Ken
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Ken Phillips
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The 1D still reigns supreme as the best all-around camera every produced by anyone anywhere in the history of mankind all digital and film formats included.
Just my opinion.
Ken
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Just my opinion.
Ken
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DavidP #28649
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When the -1N was replaced, it was with the -1v
With digital, right now they seem to have a split between high megapixels and high FPS. Both of those cameras co-exist as -1 series cameras.
IF something REPLACES the -1D, I think it would have a -1 name.
If it's a -2 series, then it can't really be a -1D replacement.
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With digital, right now they seem to have a split between high megapixels and high FPS. Both of those cameras co-exist as -1 series cameras.
IF something REPLACES the -1D, I think it would have a -1 name.
If it's a -2 series, then it can't really be a -1D replacement.
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David Lawson
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Wether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outragous roumors, or take arms against a sea of assumptions. david in the UK but not Stratford.
Where there's smoke, there's fire. The real question one should ask is what kind of fire is it? In the past I've been quite skeptical about rumors and urban legends, but lately I've been listening to them a little more closely on the various forums. Of course some of these accounts are outright lies, but I've found that many of these tales are based on some piece of truth. Remember the G4/G5 rumors and all the PhotoShop fakes circulating around a while ago. Not long after that the G5 made it's appearance. Then there was the digital rebel stories. Guess what? It turned out to be true also. Now there is this 2D camera. I know a 1D replacement is coming, but what it will be called is anyone's guess. Man, I just love all these stories. Keep them coming! Of course I take them all with a grain of salt, but when they come true I'm amazed. If this turns out to be the case I'll say, "See I told you the 2D was on the way. I read it on http://www.dpreview.com !"
Adam-T
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It'd be silly to make a cheaper camera with the 8FPS where the weather sealing IS REALLY NEEDED, not in a studio camera like the 1DS..
PJs need a tough reliable fast shooting weatherproof tool, Only the 1-series body can offer that, not some mag alloy version of the EOS-3 (which is a Semi Pro camera series anyway and always was since the EOS10 & 5)..
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PJs need a tough reliable fast shooting weatherproof tool, Only the 1-series body can offer that, not some mag alloy version of the EOS-3 (which is a Semi Pro camera series anyway and always was since the EOS10 & 5)..
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Adam-T
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That's like saying the Honda Legend is the flagship vehicle and the Fireblade (or whatever supersports Bike is tops now) has been usurped.
The 1DS if anything needs the 1-series body far less than the 1D does as the 1DS is more of a studio tool, it's the 1D which is likely to get banged around, wet and run in all conditions - Like the 1V and 1V-HS they're targetted at different markets.. The only thing which will Usurp the 1D will be a BETTER 1D, and not in a Semi-Pro 3-series body either.. The 1DS is a different tool for a different job.
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Troponin
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unless, Canon will target high FPS low Res as 2 series and low fps and high res as 1 series.
Now, can could be developing a 1series that is both high res and high FPS to replace the 1Ds in 1.5 to 2 years--- that would be the only reason to come out with a 2D.
I much prefer a 1Dn or 1Dv and a 3D to keep thing in sync with there current terminology!!!
Just my very little 2 cents worth or maybe it's a dime now.
Troponin (Trop)
'No Limitation is Limitation'
and I still can't spell worth a dang!
Now, can could be developing a 1series that is both high res and high FPS to replace the 1Ds in 1.5 to 2 years--- that would be the only reason to come out with a 2D.
I much prefer a 1Dn or 1Dv and a 3D to keep thing in sync with there current terminology!!!
Just my very little 2 cents worth or maybe it's a dime now.
--It'd be silly to make a cheaper camera with the 8FPS where the
weather sealing IS REALLY NEEDED, not in a studio camera like the
1DS..
PJs need a tough reliable fast shooting weatherproof tool, Only the
1-series body can offer that, not some mag alloy version of the
EOS-3 (which is a Semi Pro camera series anyway and always was
since the EOS10 & 5)..
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Troponin (Trop)
'No Limitation is Limitation'
and I still can't spell worth a dang!
Steven Noyes
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Since Canon uses smaller numbers for better cameras, and the 1D/1Ds are the pinnacle of digital cameras 
, then the next name must be the 0D. Unless it was already "-1D/-1Ds" and then maybe it will be -2D;-)
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, then the next name must be the 0D. Unless it was already "-1D/-1Ds" and then maybe it will be -2D;-)Steven
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Hans Kilian
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You're obviously not a PJ if you think the 1Ds is the top camera. The 1Ds and 1D share the top spot. They're different cameras for different markets.
And I'll take a 1D over a 1Ds any day, thanks. I feel the need - the need for speed...
Cheers,
Hans
And I'll take a 1D over a 1Ds any day, thanks. I feel the need - the need for speed...
Cheers,
Hans
JOHN CALLANAN
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For reading this thread......
Troponin
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Troponin (Trop)
'No Limitation is Limitation'
and I still can't spell worth a dang!
Jason Hutchinson
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So nobody agrees with me that a 1.3x "1d replacement" could be called a 2d? It just seems like Canon went out of their way to say the S in 1Ds meant "supreme.. bla bla bla" and perhaps they want one top of the line model.
If a 1d replacment were on a 1.3x crop, that says to me a lower class camera, since the true noise is proportional to the imager size (not the pixel size) given a level of technology. I wouldn't think that means the "2d" would have to have a lower body, it just would yield the "top of the line" status to the 1Ds. That doesn't really mean anything anyway. I don't think too many PJ's would care that their camera isn't named "top of the line."
I don't know. I certainly don't believe this original poster's story, since this was his first post, but it doesn't sound too crazy. I know some people would say people would want the "1" status on their camera just because of what it implies, but in the same manner, perhaps Canon wants to make a statement about how glorious the 1Ds is.
Who knows, I guess I'll shut up and wait for Canon to make a move.
jason
If a 1d replacment were on a 1.3x crop, that says to me a lower class camera, since the true noise is proportional to the imager size (not the pixel size) given a level of technology. I wouldn't think that means the "2d" would have to have a lower body, it just would yield the "top of the line" status to the 1Ds. That doesn't really mean anything anyway. I don't think too many PJ's would care that their camera isn't named "top of the line."
I don't know. I certainly don't believe this original poster's story, since this was his first post, but it doesn't sound too crazy. I know some people would say people would want the "1" status on their camera just because of what it implies, but in the same manner, perhaps Canon wants to make a statement about how glorious the 1Ds is.
Who knows, I guess I'll shut up and wait for Canon to make a move.
jason
Now, can could be developing a 1series that is both high res and
high FPS to replace the 1Ds in 1.5 to 2 years--- that would be the
only reason to come out with a 2D.
I much prefer a 1Dn or 1Dv and a 3D to keep thing in sync with
there current terminology!!!
Just my very little 2 cents worth or maybe it's a dime now.
--It'd be silly to make a cheaper camera with the 8FPS where the
weather sealing IS REALLY NEEDED, not in a studio camera like the
1DS..
PJs need a tough reliable fast shooting weatherproof tool, Only the
1-series body can offer that, not some mag alloy version of the
EOS-3 (which is a Semi Pro camera series anyway and always was
since the EOS10 & 5)..
--
Please ignore the Typos, I'm the world's worst Typist
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Troponin (Trop)
'No Limitation is Limitation'
and I still can't spell worth a dang!
Adam-T
Forum Pro
The "1" Part is nothing to do with the Imager, it's to do with the BODY and the projected purchaser, a 1-series body is designed to be used in all conditions day in, day out and that is exactly what the PJ needs, also needs a fast responsive camera..
I'd not like to do heavy PJ work with a metal bodied EOS-3, it doesn't have the strength or the weather sealing - and the 1-series body IMO is overkill for the usual purpose a 1DS is used for, in fact an EOS3 body (even in it's existing Plastic shell) would be more than good enough for studio and fair weather work - it's the PJ camera which needs to be tough, it's not an "Ego" thing being a 1-series, it's a Necessity for the camera which needs it regardless irrelevant stuff like FOV crop or imager size
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I'd not like to do heavy PJ work with a metal bodied EOS-3, it doesn't have the strength or the weather sealing - and the 1-series body IMO is overkill for the usual purpose a 1DS is used for, in fact an EOS3 body (even in it's existing Plastic shell) would be more than good enough for studio and fair weather work - it's the PJ camera which needs to be tough, it's not an "Ego" thing being a 1-series, it's a Necessity for the camera which needs it regardless irrelevant stuff like FOV crop or imager size
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Jason Hutchinson
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Definitely in the film days, since there was no sensor. What if Canon changed their minds? When the 1D was released, it was the best sensored camera in their line.
I'm just saying use a 1 series body and call it a 2D. That's leave out the confusion people have about "which is the top of the line camera?" You might be right though, perhaps 1 series just means the body, but marketing never works like that so you never hear those words out of Canon's mouth (that I can recall).
Like I said, I never meant make it out of EOS 3 materials, obviously it needs the hard shell most.
Jason
Mr Majestyk
Senior Member
And they still have the flagship 1Ds. It's just a label, so why can't a 2D be a fully pro camera. I think if the camera has the build quality of a 1D nobody will give a damn that's it a 2D.
Mr Majestyk
Senior Member
Why has Canon never released a 2 series or 4 series camera. Surely these niches will be filled one day; why wasn't the EOS 3 called the EOS 2 after all; what was Canon thinking? It is so close to a 1V anyway. I think having a 1D and a 1Ds is confusing to some people and Canon may decide to make 2 series fully pro but aimed the PJ market and keep 1.3x crop and 1 series aimed at the MF and landscape photographer and always be FF.Now, can could be developing a 1series that is both high res and
high FPS to replace the 1Ds in 1.5 to 2 years--- that would be the
only reason to come out with a 2D.
I much prefer a 1Dn or 1Dv and a 3D to keep thing in sync with
there current terminology!!!
Just my very little 2 cents worth or maybe it's a dime now.
--It'd be silly to make a cheaper camera with the 8FPS where the
weather sealing IS REALLY NEEDED, not in a studio camera like the
1DS..
PJs need a tough reliable fast shooting weatherproof tool, Only the
1-series body can offer that, not some mag alloy version of the
EOS-3 (which is a Semi Pro camera series anyway and always was
since the EOS10 & 5)..
--
Please ignore the Typos, I'm the world's worst Typist
The No1 Dedicated 1D forum in the UK -------->
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Troponin (Trop)
'No Limitation is Limitation'
and I still can't spell worth a dang!
Mike Morbach
Senior Member
I'll have to make do with the 10D for now. I was hoping to buy a used 1D when the upgrade? new model 1D came out. That has changed. My home sold in less than a month and every available dime is going into the construction of the new Morbach casa. I'll be sure to take a ton of photos of the new construction.
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Mr Majestyk
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Adam digital has complicated things. With film there is only the 35mm format, with digital we have three different sensor sizes made by Canon and really they represent three different market segments. The 1D came out first and was based on the 1V, however Canon have painted themselves into a corner since the 1Ds came out, they now have two totally different cameras (in function) but both based on 1V, and sharing the 1D label. Canon might want to get away from this situation and by releasing a 2D we may find the cameras diverge in form and function. That is a 2D may break new ground and start looking different to 1 series camera. The Nikon D2H is the first totally new design built from the ground up with digital in mind. You may find Canon realizes it's time to shed its film body ancestry. Doesn't imply the 2D will be in any way inferior, just quite different. In a few years 2 will become synonomous with excellence.The "1" Part is nothing to do with the Imager, it's to do with the
BODY and the projected purchaser, a 1-series body is designed to be
used in all conditions day in, day out and that is exactly what the
PJ needs, also needs a fast responsive camera..
I'd not like to do heavy PJ work with a metal bodied EOS-3, it
doesn't have the strength or the weather sealing - and the 1-series
body IMO is overkill for the usual purpose a 1DS is used for, in
fact an EOS3 body (even in it's existing Plastic shell) would be
more than good enough for studio and fair weather work - it's the
PJ camera which needs to be tough, it's not an "Ego" thing being a
1-series, it's a Necessity for the camera which needs it regardless
irrelevant stuff like FOV crop or imager size
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