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That part is easy, but trying to color match is probably easier said than done. It could be that I'm just used to certain colors coming from Nikon and LR.
Thomas Guenther
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Because then one can not claim about software, he neither understands nor wants to.
Avoiding RTFM is an attitude for claiming and claiming and hammering onto others, who really try to give novices smart advices.
What a rubbish attitude to judge a raw converter by comparing results by the capability to reproduce in-camera jpegs with algorithms, that are hidden by the camera manufacturer. Good intellectual base!
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yup - blinded by Adobe.
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Here are a few sample raws from DPR. I edited each one to taste in LR and C1, just to get a rough idea of things. The background in this shot really shows the difference in colors between these two. Again, I see a lot more red in C1, and a lot more yellow (maybe green, too) in LR (this is without making any color adjustments).
Honestly, I'm not sure which one I prefer. Also, I don't know what the real scene looked like.
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I'm not quite clear how C1 would be faster than Lightroom. Import pics with my default preset consisting of lens profile, Camera Standard, Remove Chromatic Aberration. All done on import. The D850/D500 color is mostly perfect right from the getgo, so I have a bit of trouble understanding all this interminable color twiddling some of you do. All I have to do after import is lower the highlights, maybe bump up some shadows or White and maybe the sharpening to 35 or so and Bob's your uncle. I will usually do a trip to Photoshop for various tasks such as Content Aware Fill, Topaz Denoise, Silver efx, Transform Warp, luminosity masks etc., but I would be doing that from Capture One as well.
I'm evaluating C1 again, as I have the last several versions. Version 11 has caught up with Process 4 in that highlights and shadows (HDR) are about equally malleable, a worthy achievement. DXO photolab and CNX-D are a total fail by comparison for raws which have extremely wide dynamic range (sun in the frame, for instance.) At the risk of stirring up the C1 faithful, I have some concerns regarding fine detail which shows some rather unusual artifacts which are not present in the other three programs.
So a good program, but nothing I need for $300.
I'm evaluating C1 again, as I have the last several versions. Version 11 has caught up with Process 4 in that highlights and shadows (HDR) are about equally malleable, a worthy achievement. DXO photolab and CNX-D are a total fail by comparison for raws which have extremely wide dynamic range (sun in the frame, for instance.) At the risk of stirring up the C1 faithful, I have some concerns regarding fine detail which shows some rather unusual artifacts which are not present in the other three programs.
So a good program, but nothing I need for $300.
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IanYorke
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I posted an example of one of your test images on another thread, where you can get the look you appear to prefer by using the linear profile and clicking the "auto" levels button to get a starting image.Here are a few sample raws from DPR. I edited each one to taste in LR and C1, just to get a rough idea of things. The background in this shot really shows the difference in colors between these two. Again, I see a lot more red in C1, and a lot more yellow (maybe green, too) in LR (this is without making any color adjustments).
Honestly, I'm not sure which one I prefer. Also, I don't know what the real scene looked like.
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C1 Pro 11 skin tones
Once again, I'm trying out C1, but in general, things appear too red compared to what I'm used to in LR. I see this in many shots, but it's pretty apparent with skin tones. Here are some RAW samples from the D850 gallery here on DPR. I downloaded the image and imported into the software. No...
Perhaps you could try that on this image and see how it goes?
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If you point to the source file I can check it out for you.
The point about auto levels is to get the under exposed (no tone curve applied) is to obtain a more normal image with 1 click. The linear curve also removes C1's default colour adjustment, which you don't appear to like.
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You can download the raw here:
It's image 69
Anyway, they're processed version looks much different than the versions I made above. Looks like they used Adobe Camera Raw (probably with Adobe's profile?).
I guess my main point with all this is, the base colors looks different in C1 vs LR and NX-D, and I'm not sure which ones I like better. I'm definitely more used to the LR/NX look.
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It is visible, that WB is not correct with LR. One of the reasons is, that Adobe does not license the Camera profiles - so their products do not read or what was stored/measured during the shot. Adobe does some kind of reengeneering on what they think the picture might have been shot. The LR picture shows, that the adjustment of WB is too low and additionally it produces a tint to the colder (green/blue) side.
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I used the dropper tool on the white ribbon at the back of her head to set WB on this one from LR. Even with a warmer WB, the colors are a lot different than C1. Every image I test out in C1 has a reddish tint to it compared to LR and NX-D. I guess that's just the way their profiles are.
Also, not sure why DPR's sample images are underexposed so much. I've come across many, from different camera models, and a lot of them are much too dark when the RAWs are downloaded.
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It only works, if the "white ribbon" is really 256/256/256 in the picture. If it is not, a setting go the white point will again lead to incorrect colours and overall WB.I used the dropper tool on the white ribbon at the back of her head to set WB on this one from LR. Even with a warmer WB, the colors are a lot different than C1. Every image I test out in C1 has a reddish tint to it compared to LR and NX-D. I guess that's just the way their profiles are.
Also, not sure why DPR's sample images are underexposed so much. I've come across many, from different camera models, and a lot of them are much too dark when the RAWs are downloaded.
Using the right tool in the wrong environment does correct the source wrong. That's trivial.
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to an article at Photography Life:
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Why Capture One Cannot Replace Adobe Lightroom
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Other questions are open IMO and will probably induce a heated debate.
But for sure about the DAM part : just forget about C1P.
Lucky you !!! Did you try to filter among your 40.000+ pictures - let's say - all your 2017 images starred with more than 1 star ?
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OK, so how would you correct WB then? Also, my understanding is, that's not how the dropper works. I was under the impression we click on something that's supposed to be neutral. The neutral object isn't going to be neutral in the photo, it should be neutral in real life. When you click on it with the dropper, you make it neutral in the photo.It only works, if the "white ribbon" is really 256/256/256 in the picture. If it is not, a setting go the white point will again lead to incorrect colours and overall WB.I used the dropper tool on the white ribbon at the back of her head to set WB on this one from LR. Even with a warmer WB, the colors are a lot different than C1. Every image I test out in C1 has a reddish tint to it compared to LR and NX-D. I guess that's just the way their profiles are.
Also, not sure why DPR's sample images are underexposed so much. I've come across many, from different camera models, and a lot of them are much too dark when the RAWs are downloaded.
Using the right tool in the wrong environment does correct the source wrong. That's trivial.
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Anyway, the differences I'm seeing between C1 and LR are not due to WB only. If I import a Nikon image into NX-D, and then import the same image into LR, the WB looks the same. So, it's not an issue of LR screwing up WB; it's an issue of C1 screwing up colors. Their profile pushes red.
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IanYorke
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I did two for comparison. One using auto and the other with linear profile. How do they look on your monitor?I used the dropper tool on the white ribbon at the back of her head to set WB on this one from LR. Even with a warmer WB, the colors are a lot different than C1. Every image I test out in C1 has a reddish tint to it compared to LR and NX-D. I guess that's just the way their profiles are.
Also, not sure why DPR's sample images are underexposed so much. I've come across many, from different camera models, and a lot of them are much too dark when the RAWs are downloaded.
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