C&C: First attempt at Pleiades

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My first attempt at Pleiades from my red zone back garden using the Star Adventurer.

Nikon D5500, Nikkor 180mm f2.8 ED AID @ f4, ISO1600, 235 x 30seconds

Processed with LR, DSS, rnc_color_stretch then PS

C&C would be very welcome

Thanks,

Ollie

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Very nice! I didn't realize the 180 could do it this well.

It looks a bit dark, to me, maybe brightening a tad would help the image. And, for next time, I'd recommend stepdown rings to get rid of those diffraction spikes.

You make we want to try this from my backyard sometime.

Nate
 
Very good Ollie, by far your best image to-date. I'm please to see that 30 second exposures at f4 could give such nice results... you've got the rnc-color-stretch working for you too, that's excellent.

And like Nate wrote, a set of step-down rings used as an aperture mask will completely get rid of those diffraction spikes, it also gets rid of coma. Here's a brief description how they work...

Aperture Mask on the Nikon 300/f4:
The step-down rings are to solve the problem of very bad coma on this particular lens. At f4 the coma is quite bad throughout the entire frame and makes the image unusable. You have to stop down to f5.6 before you get much of the coma removed, but there's still lots around the outer parts of the of frame. However, when you stop down this lens you get huge diffraction spikes which are especially bad on the bigger stars. With an aperture mask made from a combination of step down rings going from 77mm-58mm, screwed onto the front of the lens and leaving the internal camera aperture setting at f4, the result you get is an effective aperture of f5.2 with no diffraction spikes (300mm/58mm = f5.2).

Here's the set many of us buy: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fotodiox-F...359&sr=8-10&keywords=fotodiox+step+down+rings

Cheers,
Rudy
 
Thanks Nate and Rudy,

I had to crop to get rid of a couple of dust marks. I have some step down rings but this time out chose to generate the diffraction spikes as I thought they might work well on this target.

I'll take a look at brightening a little.

Ollie
 
Thanks Nate and Rudy,

I had to crop to get rid of a couple of dust marks. I have some step down rings but this time out chose to generate the diffraction spikes as I thought they might work well on this target.

I'll take a look at brightening a little.

Ollie
Yes, the spikes do add a nice sparkle to the image! Darkness is a matter of taste, personally I like backgrounds a bit on the dark side which makes the main subject pop more.

Best,
Rudy
 
Very good Ollie, by far your best image to-date. I'm please to see that 30 second exposures at f4 could give such nice results... you've got the rnc-color-stretch working for you too, that's excellent.

And like Nate wrote, a set of step-down rings used as an aperture mask will completely get rid of those diffraction spikes, it also gets rid of coma. Here's a brief description how they work...

Aperture Mask on the Nikon 300/f4:
The step-down rings are to solve the problem of very bad coma on this particular lens. At f4 the coma is quite bad throughout the entire frame and makes the image unusable. You have to stop down to f5.6 before you get much of the coma removed, but there's still lots around the outer parts of the of frame. However, when you stop down this lens you get huge diffraction spikes which are especially bad on the bigger stars. With an aperture mask made from a combination of step down rings going from 77mm-58mm, screwed onto the front of the lens and leaving the internal camera aperture setting at f4, the result you get is an effective aperture of f5.2 with no diffraction spikes (300mm/58mm = f5.2).

Here's the set many of us buy: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fotodiox-F...359&sr=8-10&keywords=fotodiox+step+down+rings

Cheers,
Rudy
 
Very nice image Ollie. Pleiades is my favorite cluster.
 
Very good Ollie, by far your best image to-date. I'm please to see that 30 second exposures at f4 could give such nice results... you've got the rnc-color-stretch working for you too, that's excellent.

And like Nate wrote, a set of step-down rings used as an aperture mask will completely get rid of those diffraction spikes, it also gets rid of coma. Here's a brief description how they work...

Aperture Mask on the Nikon 300/f4:
The step-down rings are to solve the problem of very bad coma on this particular lens. At f4 the coma is quite bad throughout the entire frame and makes the image unusable. You have to stop down to f5.6 before you get much of the coma removed, but there's still lots around the outer parts of the of frame. However, when you stop down this lens you get huge diffraction spikes which are especially bad on the bigger stars. With an aperture mask made from a combination of step down rings going from 77mm-58mm, screwed onto the front of the lens and leaving the internal camera aperture setting at f4, the result you get is an effective aperture of f5.2 with no diffraction spikes (300mm/58mm = f5.2).

Here's the set many of us buy: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fotodiox-F...359&sr=8-10&keywords=fotodiox+step+down+rings

Cheers,
Rudy
 
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On this occasion I chose to stop down to generate the diffraction spikes.

Also with this lens stopping down removes the red halos around stars. Wide open I have to just miss focus to avoid them, which then makes this lens susceptible to temperature changes and my post processing skills struggle to effectively deal with the halos.
 
I reprocessed my images again:

- I used 2x drizzle in DSS

- I chose to use an average stack due to the varying gradients in moonlight across my lights (I hadn't appreciated that the sigma clipping would reject an amount of my data)

- I used the GUI for rnc_color_stretch which makes it far quicker and easier to play with different stretch settings (oh and I read the manual properly rather than just running with the command line deafults)

I think it's an improvement. To my eyes the background is less blotchy and noisy.



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I reprocessed my images again:

- I used 2x drizzle in DSS

- I chose to use an average stack due to the varying gradients in moonlight across my lights (I hadn't appreciated that the sigma clipping would reject an amount of my data)

- I used the GUI for rnc_color_stretch which makes it far quicker and easier to play with different stretch settings (oh and I read the manual properly rather than just running with the command line deafults)

I think it's an improvement. To my eyes the background is less blotchy and noisy.

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That's very nice Ollie!. I like how this latest version brings out some of the warmer tones in the nebula near Merope (on the right). Nice filamentary detail, too. Very well done!

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Best Regards,
Russ
 
I reprocessed my images again:

- I used 2x drizzle in DSS

- I chose to use an average stack due to the varying gradients in moonlight across my lights (I hadn't appreciated that the sigma clipping would reject an amount of my data)

- I used the GUI for rnc_color_stretch which makes it far quicker and easier to play with different stretch settings (oh and I read the manual properly rather than just running with the command line deafults)

I think it's an improvement. To my eyes the background is less blotchy and noisy.

b75897a5d624401ab10ef24069f1063a.jpg
Looks good. Glad the program worked for you.

Roger
 

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