EOS M5/M6 from a Olympus owner

I am fairly sure the tree you where standing under had something to do with the shadows in the foreground.

davicorn said:

Venkat S said:

davicorn said:

The 22mm has horrible vignetting and loud continuous autofocus that's getting picked up by the mic in video.

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I shoot the 22mm wide open all the time for environmental portraits. I have never noticed the vignetting. In fact, I end up adding a vignetting in post. .

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Do you have auto-correction enabled? When shooting with F2, the RAW files always have strong vignetting/light falloff in the corners and I have to manually correct it. Only the JPEGs are clean if the camera is set to automatically correct it.

Here's a completely random RAW file I still had on my SD card, shot at F2.5 and converted into JPEG for file size:



Near the bottom you can see the falloff very clearly. That's in almost all of my pictures when shooting with higher aperture.

Could you try and see if you have this problem as well? Don't process the files with lightroom or something that does auto-fixing based on lens profiles

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davicorn said:

Venkat S said:

davicorn said:

The 22mm has horrible vignetting and loud continuous autofocus that's getting picked up by the mic in video.

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I shoot the 22mm wide open all the time for environmental portraits. I have never noticed the vignetting. In fact, I end up adding a vignetting in post. .

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Do you have auto-correction enabled? When shooting with F2, the RAW files always have strong vignetting/light falloff in the corners and I have to manually correct it. Only the JPEGs are clean if the camera is set to automatically correct it.

Here's a completely random RAW file I still had on my SD card, shot at F2.5 and converted into JPEG for file size:



Near the bottom you can see the falloff very clearly. That's in almost all of my pictures when shooting with higher aperture.

Could you try and see if you have this problem as well? Don't process the files with lightroom or something that does auto-fixing based on lens profiles

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Could you snap a photo of a plain white sheet of evenly lit paper, or some other surface with consistent tonality, to check if that vignetting is even in all four corners.

I have the 22mm lens and love it. I wouldn't describe mine as slow, though it doesn't snap instantly into focus like some of my EF lenses, and I don't really notice any noise with it either. I wonder if you have a bad copy?

BTW, completely agree with your assessment of the M5 - I sold mine off pretty quick after using it on an o/s trip - hated it. Bought an M6 after, and while I liked it a bit more, still wasn't overly impressed and sold it on too. I'm sticking with my M and M2 - I prefer the built quality, and the images they produce are fine.

Ill probably get flamed for this but as a long time Olympus and Nikon user and a professional photographer, I find myself wondering why you would switch from a close to pro grade camera like the Em5 mkii to an entry level mirrorless like the Canon. I'm not saying this to be insulting but the Olympus cameras are known for their amazing glass, their top notch autofocus and their amazing ibis. I'd lose the canon and get the em1 mkii if you have the cash or wait a bit and get the forthcoming em5 mkiii. Though canon is gaining people with this camera line by the minute, it's not because it's that good. It's because its a canon which people see as better than the rest based on the name alone. The only companies making truly pro grade mirrorless cameras at this point are Olympus, Panasonic and Sony. No one else even comes close to these guys.

Tom Petzwinkler Photography said:

Ill probably get flamed for this but as a long time Olympus and Nikon user and a professional photographer, I find myself wondering why you would switch from a close to pro grade camera like the Em5 mkii to an entry level mirrorless like the Canon. I'm not saying this to be insulting but the Olympus cameras are known for their amazing glass, their top notch autofocus and their amazing ibis. I'd lose the canon and get the em1 mkii if you have the cash or wait a bit and get the forthcoming em5 mkiii. Though canon is gaining people with this camera line by the minute, it's not because it's that good. It's because its a canon which people see as better than the rest based on the name alone. The only companies making truly pro grade mirrorless cameras at this point are Olympus, Panasonic and Sony. No one else even comes close to these guys.

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Well said. Agree 100%.

And Leica, Hasselblad and Fujifilm.

Tom Petzwinkler Photography said:

The only companies making truly pro grade mirrorless cameras at this point are Olympus, Panasonic and Sony. No one else even comes close to these guys.

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byDMP said:

BTW, completely agree with your assessment of the M5 - I sold mine off pretty quick after using it on an o/s trip - hated it. Bought an M6 after, and while I liked it a bit more, still wasn't overly impressed and sold it on too. I'm sticking with my M and M2 - I prefer the built quality, and the images they produce are fine.

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Concur ... I'm enjoying my M & M2, especially with the 22/f2 and the 11-22 lenses. These 2 bodies are nice supplements to my 6D & 80D. The M6 does have a certain appeal but I'm waiting to see what Canon offers in the next generation.

Few days ago I bought Sigma 17-70C and have use it via OEM adapter, I have found that lens have problem in servo mode that it will lock focus but will move in very little moves of focus ring ( 17-70 have focus which move focus on outside ring - I don't know how to describe it better ) so maybe there is a problem with af accuracy, and also I have found that single instead of servo will give you more speed to af with stm lens and lens that I have use via adapter..

I have also 11-22 and 15-45 but this lens are fast at leas as every lens I have used on m43 system and I have use a lot of them there .., all in all I'am happiest with 70-200 f4 IS on my M5 and now I think I will be happy with that 17-70C firstly because of range and 2.8-4, I also have 6D for some low light and for planes with Sigma 150-600.., all in all quite happy with M5 - it is not 6D in IQ but is is very close...

The autofocus of the M6 with the Ef-m 15-45 is just horrible in average lighting conditions at 45mm. With the Ef-m 15-45mm it won't focus at all in low light conditions/dusk at 35 or 45mm (due to the slow aperture). Moreover the M6 has no exposure simulation warning although the exposure simulation and the histogram are often wrong in low light at Iso 6400, 12800, ...

I wonder whether Canon DSLRs have the same autofocus issues in live view?

noisephotographer said:

The autofocus of the M6 with the Ef-m 15-45 is just horrible in average lighting conditions at 45mm. With the Ef-m 15-45mm it won't focus at all in low light conditions/dusk at 35 or 45mm (due to the slow aperture). Moreover the M6 has no exposure simulation warning although the exposure simulation and the histogram are often wrong in low light at Iso 6400, 12800, ...

I wonder whether Canon DSLRs have the same autofocus issues in live view?

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at ISO 6400, 12800 - on 1.6 APSC !???? with 6.3 ?? what do you expect, I can bet that you are comparing IQ and work on 12-40 2.8 PRO or Pani 12-35 2.8 with 15-45 kit lens - 1 lesn is like 80$ class and other is 1000$..

Ok problem is that M-mount don't have lens lineup at all and that is a big problem for M-users and the future of M-mount - Canon will have to decide if they are serious about M-lineup, if yes than they will have to make some normal good at least 2.8-4 zoom lens and some f/2.0 or 1.8 small primes, all we have now is EF lens via adapter

VooDooZG said:

noisephotographer said:

The autofocus of the M6 with the Ef-m 15-45 is just horrible in average lighting conditions at 45mm. With the Ef-m 15-45mm it won't focus at all in low light conditions/dusk at 35 or 45mm (due to the slow aperture). Moreover the M6 has no exposure simulation warning although the exposure simulation and the histogram are often wrong in low light at Iso 6400, 12800, ...

I wonder whether Canon DSLRs have the same autofocus issues in live view?

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at ISO 6400, 12800 - on 1.6 APSC !???? with 6.3 ?? what do you expect, I can bet that you are comparing IQ and work on 12-40 2.8 PRO or Pani 12-35 2.8 with 15-45 kit lens - 1 lesn is like 80$ class and other is 1000$..

Ok problem is that M-mount don't have lens lineup at all and that is a big problem for M-users and the future of M-mount - Canon will have to decide if they are serious about M-lineup, if yes than they will have to make some normal good at least 2.8-4 zoom lens and some f/2.0 or 1.8 small primes, all we have now is EF lens via adapter

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Sony A5100 + kit lens and Panasonic Gx85 + kit lens have a much much better autofocus in low light at f/5.6, no comparison.

noisephotographer said:

The autofocus of the M6 with the Ef-m 15-45 is just horrible in average lighting conditions at 45mm. With the Ef-m 15-45mm it won't focus at all in low light conditions/dusk at 35 or 45mm (due to the slow aperture). Moreover the M6 has no exposure simulation warning although the exposure simulation and the histogram are often wrong in low light at Iso 6400, 12800, ...

I wonder whether Canon DSLRs have the same autofocus issues in live view?

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I don't have the 15-45, but I do have the 18-150, which is also a slow aperture lens at the tele end. In average lighting conditions, AF is fine, snappy and accurate. In really low light, it struggles. But we are talking the kind of low light where I wouldn't be using that lens anyway. With the 22 or the 50 STM, it's fine in low light.

Alastair Norcross said:

noisephotographer said:

The autofocus of the M6 with the Ef-m 15-45 is just horrible in average lighting conditions at 45mm. With the Ef-m 15-45mm it won't focus at all in low light conditions/dusk at 35 or 45mm (due to the slow aperture). Moreover the M6 has no exposure simulation warning although the exposure simulation and the histogram are often wrong in low light at Iso 6400, 12800, ...

I wonder whether Canon DSLRs have the same autofocus issues in live view?

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I don't have the 15-45, but I do have the 18-150, which is also a slow aperture lens at the tele end. In average lighting conditions, AF is fine, snappy and accurate. In really low light, it struggles. But we are talking the kind of low light where I wouldn't be using that lens anyway. With the 22 or the 50 STM, it's fine in low light.

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+1 I don't have any difficulty at all focusing my 15-45, even in moderately low light. In very low light at f/5.6, yes.

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