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LIghtroom? Arrrrghhh!!!
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Patco
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That may be so, but many (most?) Nikon and Canon cameras have a "My Menu" option, which can be customized to include only one's most used menu items. rather than scrolling through all the menu items.
This feature might do close to what you want, albeit in a different way?
https://www.dpmag.com/how-to/tip-of-the-week/set-my-menu-nikon-canon-dslrs/
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robert1955
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Cannot copy that problem. It is a good idea to keep the CR2's anyway [if only as a back-up], so you could copy to computer first
Whatever your workflow, if you shot raw you will have to start with a conversion from raw. The simple case is where you use software [or a version of that software] that can do this for your camera. Using Bridge, clicking on a raw file will start ACR. Once you are finished in ACR, you can tell it to open the file in Ps. At that point, the extension shown is still CR2, DNG etc. You cannot save Ps edits to those. Only by a 'Save as' you will get a TIF
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Speaking of Niepce, here's a photo I took in 1988 of a photographer named Gene Fenn who photographed many famous artists including Picasso and Léger. I was with a student group in Paris, and Gene was showing us this street in Montparnasse named after Nicéphore Niepce:
As for Lightroom, it's not the friendliest or most clearly laid out app, but I'm confident you could crack it if you put your mind to it. As for converting your raw files to DNG, I think I'd skip that step. TIFFs are compatible with a lot more apps than are DNGs. Just be sure to get your white balance and exposure right before you make the conversion to TIFF.
As for Lightroom, it's not the friendliest or most clearly laid out app, but I'm confident you could crack it if you put your mind to it. As for converting your raw files to DNG, I think I'd skip that step. TIFFs are compatible with a lot more apps than are DNGs. Just be sure to get your white balance and exposure right before you make the conversion to TIFF.
BG454
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As I said in the part of my post that you left out: "I've never changed any parameters in Lightroom and my imported images always display in "as shot" order."
Not so much "intuitive" as leaving things at their default settings.
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I've had Lightroom spontaneously change settings. In fact, I've had times when I could predict with 100% certainty that if I closed the app with no view filters applied, when I opened it back up again it would, without fail, be filtering for blue-labeled images.
landscaper1
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Since this was my first use of LR, and I found my images scrambled in random order upon opening it, how do you suppose I had altered the default settings? Hmm?
I suppose that's the question, but it's not a very interesting one.
Look - you had a problem that would have easily been addressed by RTFM, but instead you did the trendy alternative of whining on the internet so someone else would do it for you. But you're still complaining...stop playing a victim and get on with it.
Kelby's written a cookbook guide to LR since version 4 or 3. I'm sure there are others as well. Or use the online help.
landscaper1
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Oh, I'd thank you so much for your free psychological analysis, but then you know what they say about the worth of anything free.
Forgive me for thinking that, since LR is an Adobe product, and since I was able to intuitively begin using both PS and Elements (also Adobe products) without the benefit of RTFM (as you quaintly refer to printed materials), that I should be able to do the same with LR.
Finally, I'll be sure to mention to Scott that you've been pluggimg his books. Maybe he'll send you a discount coupon for his next one.
landscaper1
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That road seemed smooth enough for me when it came to PS and PS Elements, both made by the same folks who produced LR.
And Lightroom is one of the least "intuitive" programs I have used. For instance, suppose you have created a couple of virtual copies to try different approaches. You might want to rename them to something more descriptive than "Copy 1" mightn't you? Should be in the right-click menu, or double-click on the name, right? Nope. You have to switch to a completely different module (Library) and scroll down to "Copy Name" in the Metadata section. Strange.
Sorting is another one of those things. You have to switch back to the Library in order to sort your files differently in Develop. Arrrrghhh!
Everything in LR is like that. It is amazing that it still does enough so well that we put up with it.
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Sorting is another one of those things. You have to switch back to the Library in order to sort your files differently in Develop. Arrrrghhh!
Everything in LR is like that. It is amazing that it still does enough so well that we put up with it.
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landscaper1
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Considering the remarkable similarity between ACR's sliders and LR's Develop module, I doubt that "vastly different program" is a valid description.
In any case, inasmuch as Adobe has made it clear there is no future for a non-subscription edition of LR, I see no point in learning to use the thing beyond mastering the conversion of my 5Div CR2 files to TIFF files that can be opened in ACR and PS. And if I live long enough to both desire and afford to upgrade either my 5Dsr or 5Div bodies, then I'll may have to look at some other program (DxO? Capture 1?) to deal with that eventuality.
I realize a lot of shooters have embraced the subscription track, but I remain convinced they will eventually realize it wasn't such a good idea. Adobe's announced intention to end LR standalone support this year is clear evidence that they consider customer independence entirely secondary to the opportunity to balloon their own profits.
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PS is a photo editor. LR is a data asset manager. completely different starting point. Go trial Premiere Pro next for fun.
Since it appears your only interest is in converting RAW files to TIFF, why even use LR? Pretty sure Canon provides a free answer to that problem, one that will always be available for new cameras.
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I'm starting to wonder whether you actually understand the raw conversion process [sorry if this sounds harsh, but if you can be grumpy, so can I].
You keep saying you only want a batch conversion to TIF, but why would you need to further edit that TIF in ACR?
The big difference between Bridge+ACR and Lr is in how they do file management. Lr uses a catalogue [DAM] approach. Whether you like that, is a matter of preference
For both Bridge/ACR and Lr the DNG conversion route is availalbe
Now is your aargh about your dislike of the Adobe business model or about a question [free answers have been given, so in your opinion inherently worthless) about workflow?
In either case you might consider that a change to another program is not free. Both apps you named are not cheap to license, and it will take time and effort to master them (and money if you do not want to rely on free help here)
landscaper1
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I ended up buying LR because everyone was extolling its Develop module's virtues, and that includes a professional that I highly respect. Yes, Canon does provide DPP free, and I may end up being forced it, although I've never particularly liked it.
Since Premiere Pro is video editing software, and since I have no plans to ever shoot video (unless I happen to get a really close view of an apparently alien spacecraft), I'll pass on that invitation.
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