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DPR has front-paged the new Pro 1.2 primes

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we new these lenses where to be announced what happened to the surprise lens to go with them.
 
tkbslc said:
Wu Jiaqiu said:
Skeeterbytes said:
A little surprised how very similar they are in size and appearance.

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Should I find myself owning all three I shall paint two of them to make them easier to identify. :-)

Cheers,

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which lens and camera was used to take it :D
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Iphone X portrait mode... :)
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it looks good
 
Not being married eliminates all such concerns.
 
tkbslc said:
dmanthree said:
tkbslc said:
I seriously can't imagine there are enough buyers at these prices. The market would seem to be people that have a lot of money to spend, want thin DOF, want to shoot in low light, want the best photo quality, but have never heard of full frame?
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No, for those who have no need for FF. Not everyone wants to, or needs to hump around a kit that's twice as heavy.

I think these will sell.
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If you don't have a need for FF, why do you need the fastest uber-primes on mFT? And the Pro lenses are definitely not light.
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-Sony 85mm 1.4 GM weighs precisely twice as much as the Oly Pro 45mm 1.2

-Sony 35mm 1.4 Distagon is about 50% heavier than Oly Pro 17mm 1.2

-Sony 50mm 1.4 Planar is almost twice as heavy as Oly Pro 25mm 1.2

I own the GM 24-70 2.8 and it is one of the most exhaustive lens to shoot with. In an hour into any shoot and it feels like I have a gallon of milk attached to my camera. Nice glass but, I value my wrist and will be selling it. The point is, with these Pro 1.2 lenses I can murder the background just as good as FF and still have my wrist attached. I know my 24-70 reference isn't all that relevant here, but it speaks to the point that top of the line FF glass is still way more heavy than top of the line M43 glass.

I also think these 1.2's will serve Astrophotography very well.
 
they will if they make 12mm f1.2
 
Roger Engelken said:
Not being married eliminates all such concerns.
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I must admit it's hard. But if I meditate and cleanse my mind of all else....yes, I can just remember those days when I was without wife!
 
RobbieBear said:
Roger Engelken said:
Not being married eliminates all such concerns.
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I must admit it's hard. But if I meditate and cleanse my mind of all else....yes, I can just remember those days when I was without wife!
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MALE-CHAUVINIST ALERT: If I include the time I'd spend cooking, vacuuming, and doing laundry, I'd have no time to take photos, and so wouldn't need all that 'spensive stuff!

(Sorry, ladies. I was just joking. Honestly! But thank you for putting clean sheets on the sofa for me…)

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Jan Steinman said:
RobbieBear said:
Roger Engelken said:
Not being married eliminates all such concerns.
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I must admit it's hard. But if I meditate and cleanse my mind of all else....yes, I can just remember those days when I was without wife!
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MALE-CHAUVINIST ALERT: If I include the time I'd spend cooking, vacuuming, and doing laundry, I'd have no time to take photos, and so wouldn't need all that 'spensive stuff!

(Sorry, ladies. I was just joking. Honestly! But thank you for putting clean sheets on the sofa for me…)

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Some in the LGBT community might take offence to the stereo typical impression of the other half in a relationship.
 
Sranang Boi said:
Jan Steinman said:
RobbieBear said:
Roger Engelken said:
Not being married eliminates all such concerns.
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I must admit it's hard. But if I meditate and cleanse my mind of all else....yes, I can just remember those days when I was without wife!
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MALE-CHAUVINIST ALERT: If I include the time I'd spend cooking, vacuuming, and doing laundry, I'd have no time to take photos, and so wouldn't need all that 'spensive stuff!

(Sorry, ladies. I was just joking. Honestly! But thank you for putting clean sheets on the sofa for me…)
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Some in the LGBT community might take offence to the stereo typical impression of the other half in a relationship.
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Then perhaps they should choose not to take offence.
 
Sranang Boi said:
How do you manage to sneak that past your other half? I suppose that the one thing I can think of is that because these lenses look all the same size, it won't look suspicious if you only put one into view at any one time.
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My photography hobby has been paying for itself with sales in the two galleries I am in. So I am good there.
 
dmanthree said:
tkbslc said:
I seriously can't imagine there are enough buyers at these prices. The market would seem to be people that have a lot of money to spend, want thin DOF, want to shoot in low light, want the best photo quality, but have never heard of full frame?
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No, for those who have no need for FF. Not everyone wants to, or needs to hump around a kit that's twice as heavy.
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Now that's just not true. A7II + any FE 1.8 prime weighs about the same as any MFT body with equivalent controls and these lenses. Will cost less too. Olympus is profiting big on MFT users' contrarianism, and while this may sound harsh, ignorance... no way does a FF kit with equivalent lenses weigh twice that of an MFT one, that's just silly lmao.
 
sportyaccordy said:
dmanthree said:
tkbslc said:
I seriously can't imagine there are enough buyers at these prices. The market would seem to be people that have a lot of money to spend, want thin DOF, want to shoot in low light, want the best photo quality, but have never heard of full frame?
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No, for those who have no need for FF. Not everyone wants to, or needs to hump around a kit that's twice as heavy.
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Now that's just not true. A7II + any FE 1.8 prime weighs about the same as any MFT body with equivalent controls and these lenses. Will cost less too. Olympus is profiting big on MFT users' contrarianism, and while this may sound harsh, ignorance... no way does a FF kit with equivalent lenses weigh twice that of an MFT one, that's just silly lmao.
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No, what is silly is buying a FF kit with m43rds equivalent lenses. Most users of the format accept the 2 stop difference, however you have sacrificed it on the alter or weight savings... Ooops, isn't that what we did?

You might argue you CAN buy a faster lens, but it is bigger and more expensive (look at the newest flagship 50mm f1.4 lenses, 70-200 f2.8s etc) Oooops, and so can we.

Users of this format accept the trade off, and might want to expand the envelope, Olympus understands this and is offering no compromise lenses to allow us to do that.

Nothing silly about it.
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Ab Latchin said:
No, what is silly is buying a FF kit with m43rds equivalent lenses. Most users of the format accept the 2 stop difference, however you have sacrificed it on the alter or weight savings... Ooops, isn't that what we did?
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Getting an F1.8 FF prime is hardly "sacrificing on the altar of weight savings". It's standard practice, because such lenses yield satisfactory subject isolation and light gathering. Notice how there are no modern 1.2 FF lenses, aside from the 40 1.2...... why? Because there is no demand, even among people who don't mind the size/weight and could afford such lenses.
Ab Latchin said:
You might argue you CAN buy a faster lens, but it is bigger and more expensive (look at the newest flagship 50mm f1.4 lenses, 70-200 f2.8s etc) Oooops, and so can we.
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I actually have a 50 1.4, and am planning on getting a 35 1.4. Both are cheaper and not much bigger or heavier despite gathering nearly 2 stops more light (probably that much from a T-stop POV). And I can put that on a sensor that gets close to 15 stops DR and more than double the resolution of MFT etc etc...
Ab Latchin said:
Users of this format accept the trade off, and might want to expand the envelope, Olympus understands this and is offering no compromise lenses to allow us to do that.

Nothing silly about it.
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Ab Latchin said:
Ab Latchin wrote:
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Users of this format accept the trade off, and might want to expand the envelope, Olympus understands this and is offering no compromise lenses to allow us to do that.

Nothing silly about it.
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Very well stated. I accept the compromises and mFT and the F1.2 primes do expand the envelope. I am looking forward to buying them when they become available. The 25/1.2 is a great lens and I use it a bunch.

Dave
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The more options the better. These wont be for everyone but it's great that the offer is expanding.
 
sportyaccordy said:
Ab Latchin said:
No, what is silly is buying a FF kit with m43rds equivalent lenses. Most users of the format accept the 2 stop difference, however you have sacrificed it on the alter or weight savings... Ooops, isn't that what we did?
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Getting an F1.8 FF prime is hardly "sacrificing on the altar of weight savings". It's standard practice, because such lenses yield satisfactory subject isolation and light gathering. Notice how there are no modern 1.2 FF lenses, aside from the 40 1.2...... why? Because there is no demand, even among people who don't mind the size/weight and could afford such lenses.
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How do you know the reason for no f1.2 lenses is because there is no demand? It could just as easily be because the expectation of performance would force a very very large very very heavy lens. As mentioned look at the 25mm f1.4 from panasonic and the 25mm f1.2 from Olympus. Now imine how large the new 50mm f1.4 Otus is, and imagine the size increase to get to f1.2 but maintain the performance wide open.
sportyaccordy said:
sportyaccordy said:
You might argue you CAN buy a faster lens, but it is bigger and more expensive (look at the newest flagship 50mm f1.4 lenses, 70-200 f2.8s etc) Oooops, and so can we.
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I actually have a 50 1.4, and am planning on getting a 35 1.4. Both are cheaper and not much bigger or heavier despite gathering nearly 2 stops more light (probably that much from a T-stop POV). And I can put that on a sensor that gets close to 15 stops DR and more than double the resolution of MFT etc etc...
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Actually lets actually look at some recent f1.4 50mm lenses:

Olympus 25mm f1.2: 1.65lb
Zeiss Milvus 50mm f1.4: 3.1lbs
Sigma 50mm f1.4: 2.6lbs
Sony 50mm f1.4 FE: 2.6lbs



Those lenses give up some light gathering but are already significantly heavier than the 25mm f1.2 from olympus

We can look at modern 35mm f1.4 lenses as well:

Olympus 17mm f1.2: 390g
Nikon 35mm f1.4: 600g
Canon 35mm f1.4: 760g
Sony 35mm f1..4: 630g



Again significantly heavier while having a lesser aperture value. Imagine how large they would be if they maintained the 2 stop "advantage". To quote a current US president "HUGE".

sportyaccordy said:
sportyaccordy said:
Users of this format accept the trade off, and might want to expand the envelope, Olympus understands this and is offering no compromise lenses to allow us to do that.

Nothing silly about it.
sportyaccordy said:
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An altruistic view perhaps. I think Olympus wants to see how much they can get people to over pay for performance :-D
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I doubt that very much, no company is foolish enough to do social research with their capital.
sportyaccordy said:
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Ab Latchin said:
Actually lets actually look at some recent f1.4 50mm lenses:

Olympus 25mm f1.2: 1.65lb
Zeiss Milvus 50mm f1.4: 3.1lbs
Sigma 50mm f1.4: 2.6lbs
Sony 50mm f1.4 FE: 2.6lbs

Those lenses give up some light gathering but are already significantly heavier than the 25mm f1.2 from olympus
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If we're actually talking about light gathering in the sense of light intensity seen by the sensor then most of those lenses don't give up anything to the 25 Pro as the Olympus is t/1.8 while the FF lenses are all in the t/1.6-1.8 range. I won't even begin to get into the actual light gathering differences.
 
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