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As many others, I dislike the fact that LR is now subscription only.

I have currently no need to upgrade LR6 but with future camera releases that aren't supported anymore I'll have to switch to another solution. Now my question I need some help with:

Is is possible to transfer all develop modifications to another software (I haven't yet gotten my head around which software I will move to)? I have 1000s of photos, many of them are tweaked, both in the Develop module as well as applying color profiles (Nikon & Fuji). Would I lose this? I know I could export all as TIFFS or JPEGs but that basically freezes the development into picture and TIFFS are huge.

Any advice? Maybe different software packages work differently when migrating?

Appreciated!
 
Tim Cooke.

Bring back Aperture..............
 
As many others, I dislike the fact that LR is now subscription only.

I have currently no need to upgrade LR6 but with future camera releases that aren't supported anymore I'll have to switch to another solution. Now my question I need some help with:

Is is possible to transfer all develop modifications to another software (I haven't yet gotten my head around which software I will move to)? I have 1000s of photos, many of them are tweaked, both in the Develop module as well as applying color profiles (Nikon & Fuji). Would I lose this? I know I could export all as TIFFS or JPEGs but that basically freezes the development into picture and TIFFS are huge.

Any advice? Maybe different software packages work differently when migrating?

Appreciated!
 
Lightroom, ACDSee Pro, and Aftershot Pro are similar programs. I think Darktable and Digikam are fairly similar too, but I haven't used them. All of these programs are a combination of a raw photo processor, non-destructive editor, and simple DAM. I think On1 Photo Raw may also have all 3 of these primary functions. Note that ACDSee also has a fairly sophisticated integrated bit-map editor (the Ultimate version adds layers to it).
 
Lightroom, ACDSee Pro, and Aftershot Pro are similar programs. I think Darktable and Digikam are fairly similar too, but I haven't used them. All of these programs are a combination of a raw photo processor, non-destructive editor, and simple DAM. I think On1 Photo Raw may also have all 3 of these primary functions. Note that ACDSee also has a fairly sophisticated integrated bit-map editor (the Ultimate version adds layers to it).
For people who print, replacing Lightroom is much more difficult. Capture One is a credible alternative, but it doesn't have the map tool, for example. And its printing module is not as good as Lightroom's.
 
aquavideo wrote:
Yes and no. Once you open edited raw files in a differenti piece of software it will look different.

Choose different software=start over
That isn't automatically a bad thing. About 5 years ago, I quit Lr for ACDSee. I noticed that my Post processing got better almost immediately. I found that I was very interested in revisiting my old stuff to see if I could do better! In most cases, I could.

Now I'm sure the people at ACDSee would like to take the credit, but I suspect that I got better because I found software that worked better for me than what I had been using. It wasn't the software, it was me AND the software.

The thing is people won't know if the software they are using 'fits' them until they try out new software. I think a LOT of people will be shocked at just how Lr "pinches" them compared to other products. Others will find Lr to be a perfect fit. But in either case, they will know with certainty.

Now, is a good excuse to look into other software.
 
As many others, I dislike the fact that LR is now subscription only.

I have currently no need to upgrade LR6 but with future camera releases that aren't supported anymore I'll have to switch to another solution. Now my question I need some help with:

Is is possible to transfer all develop modifications to another software (I haven't yet gotten my head around which software I will move to)? I have 1000s of photos, many of them are tweaked, both in the Develop module as well as applying color profiles (Nikon & Fuji). Would I lose this? I know I could export all as TIFFS or JPEGs but that basically freezes the development into picture and TIFFS are huge.
As far as I can tell at this point there is no product that can import all of LR edits. I thought long and hard before going with LR because I know databases are tricky to get out of... and decided I trusted Adobe. HA!
Any advice? Maybe different software packages work differently when migrating?
Yes, they do... I'm hoping for a bit more development on the migrating from LR issue before I jump ship.
 
Lightroom, ACDSee Pro, and Aftershot Pro are similar programs. I think Darktable and Digikam are fairly similar too, but I haven't used them. All of these programs are a combination of a raw photo processor, non-destructive editor, and simple DAM.
I have had a brief look at "other programs" but am pretty bewildered because of the fact that the functions needed are covered to different extent by different pieces of software. Naively one could assume that this is not so bad as one could use different pieces of the software for different tasks and experience nothing worse than clutter on the desktop. However real life is worse: the tasks all work on the same data but different software has different ideas on how to store the data and provides no other interface to the data than its own GUI.

Examples for "problems":
  1. It is not obvious what operations are RAW processing, what are editing, e.g. noise reduction, aberration removal, white-balance, ... , contrast, ...
  2. RAW/Editor operations on multiple images need to be multi-image aware which requires access to a something like a selected set of images to work on. Which software actually allows the user to define this set and pass it on to the RAW/editors?
  3. Exporting or publishing requires not only to select images which shall be exported and how but also needs to be able to invoke RAW/editor operations. How shall the raw/editor be invoked and were does it get the image specific settings from that the user provided using the RAW/editor tool?
  4. What is the precise scope of the DAM?
    1. does it support importing?
    2. does it support moving of files within or between filesystems?
    3. how does it inform raw/editor programs that image have been transferred between file systems?
    4. does it need the raw/editor to create images in its GUI? If not where does it get its image data from?
    5. does it support export/publish? If yes how does it invoke raw/editor?
    6. does it support image tagging? If yes to which degree: geo-coordinates, face-recognition, ...?
These questions which are only the tip of the iceberg show that at the moment you 2 main options:
  1. Work with multiple non-integrated programs. This will only work if the programs work on the images in a pipe-line: no going back to prior steps, no data interaction except for processing semi-standardised files along the data pipeline. No use of common database.
  2. Use a program that solves most tasks directly and some using plugins (Lightroom) but locks you in at all non-standardised data-exchange points.
Being a software developer I have probably chosen a wording that software developers may easier understand than users. Besides: its later in the evening.

As a SW developer/architect I feel there is only one clean way out (for SW developers):
  • cleary define the required top-level features and assign them to building blocks of the software
  • map this down to clearly defined software interfaces in a fashion that caters for exchangeable building blocks. Example: if you do not like DAMa, then switch to DAMb but keep RAWp because you prefer it over RAWc.
I a perfect world this would be dead easy.

In our world you have the big players that provide closed shop solutions to their customers: mix-and-mingle is done by the big player but without the customer/user having any choice.

I our second world (open-source) there are multiple projects that target the same domain but do not work together to augment their work but compete instead :(

In the domain of image post-processing, DAM, ... we need a big guy/gal that defines the framework/architecture and picks viable and good implementions of the building blocks. Any project that wants to supply part of the big picture can do so and compete with others based on virtue of the individual building block and not on complete command of the closed shop semi-complete solution (think Lightroom, Aperture, C1, ...).
The good news: this guy/gal could be a vendor that is interested in selling building blocks directly or via an App-Store. It could also be a genius coming from the open-source world
The bad news: there are not very many Torvalds, Stallmans, ... around
 
These are all free:
  • Darktable is a Lightroom type of program (combination raw processor, non-destructive editor, simple DAM) -- Mac, Linux, Windows
  • Digikam is a Lightroom type of program (combination raw processor, non-destructive editor, simple DAM) -- Mac, Linux, Windows
  • Adobe Bridge -- simple DAM -- Mac, Windows
  • Rawtherapee is a combination raw processor, non-destructive editor -- Mac, Linux, Windows
  • Topaz Studio (free version) is a raw processor and editor -- there is also a pro version that is not free -- Mac, Windows
I haven't used any of these, but I have heard good things about all of them. Of course, there may be other free programs out there, but these are some I have been hearing a lot about.
 
These are all free:
  • Darktable is a Lightroom type of program (combination raw processor, non-destructive editor, simple DAM) -- Mac, Linux, Windows
  • Digikam is a Lightroom type of program (combination raw processor, non-destructive editor, simple DAM) -- Mac, Linux, Windows
  • Adobe Bridge -- simple DAM -- Mac, Windows
  • Rawtherapee is a combination raw processor, non-destructive editor -- Mac, Linux, Windows
  • Topaz Studio (free version) is a raw processor and editor -- there is also a pro version that is not free -- Mac, Windows
I haven't used any of these, but I have heard good things about all of them. Of course, there may be other free programs out there, but these are some I have been hearing a lot about.
If you had actually used them you'd know that Bridge and Rawtherapee are not even attempts at replacing Lightroom.

You'd also know that no other program available today combines the breadth of features, maturity and reliability of Lightroom.

You can replace Lightroom, sure, but only by lowering your standards in either catalog management, image processing or printing.
 
As many others, I dislike the fact that LR is now subscription only.

I have currently no need to upgrade LR6 but with future camera releases that aren't supported anymore I'll have to switch to another solution. Now my question I need some help with:

Is is possible to transfer all develop modifications to another software (I haven't yet gotten my head around which software I will move to)? I have 1000s of photos, many of them are tweaked, both in the Develop module as well as applying color profiles (Nikon & Fuji). Would I lose this? I know I could export all as TIFFS or JPEGs but that basically freezes the development into picture and TIFFS are huge.

Any advice? Maybe different software packages work differently when migrating?

Appreciated!
 
These are all free:
  • Darktable is a Lightroom type of program (combination raw processor, non-destructive editor, simple DAM) -- Mac, Linux, Windows
  • Digikam is a Lightroom type of program (combination raw processor, non-destructive editor, simple DAM) -- Mac, Linux, Windows
  • Adobe Bridge -- simple DAM -- Mac, Windows
  • Rawtherapee is a combination raw processor, non-destructive editor -- Mac, Linux, Windows
  • Topaz Studio (free version) is a raw processor and editor -- there is also a pro version that is not free -- Mac, Windows
I haven't used any of these, but I have heard good things about all of them. Of course, there may be other free programs out there, but these are some I have been hearing a lot about.
If you had actually used them you'd know that Bridge and Rawtherapee are not even attempts at replacing Lightroom.
If you had actually read what I wrote you would see that I said what they were. Sheesh. And if Bridge + Rawtherapee are used together then you get the 3 main functions of Lightroom. Sigh.
You'd also know that no other program available today combines the breadth of features, maturity and reliability of Lightroom.

You can replace Lightroom, sure, but only by lowering your standards in either catalog management, image processing or printing.
You seem to have the hots for Adobe. That's fine. I have used and still use LR/PS/PSE for many years. I don't feel the need to jump in and try to get brownie points from Adobe all the time though. I bet even after this you still won't get any brownie points from Adobe.
 
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These are all free:
  • Darktable is a Lightroom type of program (combination raw processor, non-destructive editor, simple DAM) -- Mac, Linux, Windows
  • Digikam is a Lightroom type of program (combination raw processor, non-destructive editor, simple DAM) -- Mac, Linux, Windows
  • Adobe Bridge -- simple DAM -- Mac, Windows
  • Rawtherapee is a combination raw processor, non-destructive editor -- Mac, Linux, Windows
  • Topaz Studio (free version) is a raw processor and editor -- there is also a pro version that is not free -- Mac, Windows
I haven't used any of these, but I have heard good things about all of them. Of course, there may be other free programs out there, but these are some I have been hearing a lot about.
DxO OpticsPro 11 Essential Edition is also free at the moment:

http://www.dxo.com/us/practicalphotography

You can use this or other raw processing programs such as Rawtherapee, Topaz Studio, etc. in combination with Adobe Bridge, Digikam, etc. to get a simple DAM.
 
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You can replace Lightroom, sure, but only by lowering your standards in either catalog management, image processing or printing.
I've learned, and had confirmed by these threads, that many/most users of LR do not take advantage of its advanced features. Those people might be happy with those solutions.
 
You are forgetting Elements.

Different software (perpetual license and affordable) with identical proprietary algorithms. If you set up LR to store the edits in sidecar files or export as DNG, everything is kept available. You can even use the ACR module of Elements to further edit non-destructively with the avalable (same) tools like 'basic', 'detail' and 'camera calibration'.

Keeping an old LR version and using Elements as external editor is obviously the easiest and very affordale solution.

Most users would continue using the old LR as the library manager and Elements as the external editor when needed. If they buy a new non supported camera, they have either the Elements ACR or the DNGconverter. Some users would even switch totally to Elements and its organizer. You can convert Elements catalog to the LR format, but not the other way round, it's like moving to another external managing software by re-importing your library. The advantage is that the Organizer and Lightroom do use the same concepts, making the transition easy.
We have no idea that Elements will continue to be sold as standalone (or at all). Its cataloging features are not nearly as advanced as LR and no one with a big catalog should consider it as an option because it just isn't intended for that sort of thing.
 
As many others, I dislike the fact that LR is now subscription only.

I have currently no need to upgrade LR6 but with future camera releases that aren't supported anymore I'll have to switch to another solution. Now my question I need some help with:

Is is possible to transfer all develop modifications to another software (I haven't yet gotten my head around which software I will move to)? I have 1000s of photos, many of them are tweaked, both in the Develop module as well as applying color profiles (Nikon & Fuji). Would I lose this? I know I could export all as TIFFS or JPEGs but that basically freezes the development into picture and TIFFS are huge.

Any advice? Maybe different software packages work differently when migrating?

Appreciated!
 
As many others, I dislike the fact that LR is now subscription only.

I have currently no need to upgrade LR6 but with future camera releases that aren't supported anymore I'll have to switch to another solution.
Isn't the simplest & easiest course of action just converting to .dng before importing? The converters are kept up to date even if Lr6 isn't.

I plan to use Lr5.7 until the cows come home.
 
As many others, I dislike the fact that LR is now subscription only.

I have currently no need to upgrade LR6 but with future camera releases that aren't supported anymore I'll have to switch to another solution.
Isn't the simplest & easiest course of action just converting to .dng before importing? The converters are kept up to date even if Lr6 isn't.

I plan to use Lr5.7 until the cows come home.
I did this for a bit as my new camera isn't supported by 5.7. I found lens and other camera specific info wasn't correct. Seemed like even though LR could read the DNG it needed some info that just wasn't coming across properly.

It worked as a temporary measure but I was never really satisfied with it.
 
As many others, I dislike the fact that LR is now subscription only.

I have currently no need to upgrade LR6 but with future camera releases that aren't supported anymore I'll have to switch to another solution. Now my question I need some help with:

Is is possible to transfer all develop modifications to another software (I haven't yet gotten my head around which software I will move to)? I have 1000s of photos, many of them are tweaked, both in the Develop module as well as applying color profiles (Nikon & Fuji). Would I lose this? I know I could export all as TIFFS or JPEGs but that basically freezes the development into picture and TIFFS are huge.

Any advice? Maybe different software packages work differently when migrating?

Appreciated!
 

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