How far we've come iPhone vs. Fuji

aruky · Sep 29, 2017

Fuji XT-1 or iPhone 8?

Fuji XT-1 or iPhone 8 ?

I took some test photos with my beloved Fuji and the newly arrived iPhone 8. These of course are not in any way scientific etc. but the images above illustrate what keeps happening to me. I look through my photos collection in thumbnail view and without looking too closely I cannot tell the mobile photos apart from the mirrorless. In fact oftentimes I get them wrong, The above I got wrong even in 100% view (if you look for it the booke gives away the Fuji).

The point I want to make is, that for me the iPhone camera more an d more becomes my normal "go-to" camera whereas the Fuji is my specialist tool. I'm not devastated anymore if I leave it behind accidentally and do so more and more on purpose because of weight and bulk. I'm trying to figure out lenses for the fuji which keep the quality distance to the phone or make it more obvious but I'm struggling to justify the cost.

Amazing what mobile phones can do today.

cheers

Andy

PS Btw The one on top is the Fuji...

noisephotographer · Sep 30, 2017

The table seems to have a more natural color with the Fuji. That's what I didn't like about the iPhone 8 when I tested it in a store. My Nexus 5x achieved much more natural colors when I photographed wooden tables in the store.

bigley Ling · Oct 1, 2017

aruky said:
Fuji XT-1 or iPhone 8?

Fuji XT-1 or iPhone 8 ?

I took some test photos with my beloved Fuji and the newly arrived iPhone 8. These of course are not in any way scientific etc. but the images above illustrate what keeps happening to me. I look through my photos collection in thumbnail view and without looking too closely I cannot tell the mobile photos apart from the mirrorless. In fact oftentimes I get them wrong, The above I got wrong even in 100% view (if you look for it the booke gives away the Fuji).

The point I want to make is, that for me the iPhone camera more an d more becomes my normal "go-to" camera whereas the Fuji is my specialist tool. I'm not devastated anymore if I leave it behind accidentally and do so more and more on purpose because of weight and bulk. I'm trying to figure out lenses for the fuji which keep the quality distance to the phone or make it more obvious but I'm struggling to justify the cost.

Amazing what mobile phones can do today.

cheers

Andy

PS Btw The one on top is the Fuji...

1st shot xt1 second shot iPhone 8?

ChuckTa · Oct 1, 2017

The depth of view give it away easy. The Fuji image is a bit too green and the Iphone a bit too red.

For low iso image with better details, there are better camera phone out there like the Samsung S8, Huawei P10, and Pixel ... etc

EcoPics · Oct 1, 2017

depth of field immediately. but what i do like now is RAW in pocket sensor phones.

ok try it again, this time, wait until dark, but a candle on in the far right background. that would be a nice test of the i8, geeze i hate iphones but that camera is good.

also a really high highlight high shadow shot would be good to test its DR.

but yeah, for holiday snap shots, its hard to beat. but personally im finding $150 chinese brand phones with sony sensors to be good enough for that. how much better does a pic of the family or the eiffel tower need to be on a snapshot camera?

aruky · Oct 1, 2017

Being a Fuji guy of course I'm a sucker for ooc jpegs. I can see the appeal of RAW of course but I simply don't have the time anymore (all round convenience being the reason for iOS as well). And for mobile photography I think the in phone processing has become so powerful that exporting the RAW to my iMac seems like taking away the most important aspect of the iPhone and that is IMHO inphone processing.

iPhone cameras have been decent from the 5s (maybe even the 4s) and I was quite happy with the 6s but didn't expect to make a big step again. They turned up colors quite a bit, maybe even a notch (ha!) too far. Blue hour photos can be oversaturated but in general I'm very happy.

Have a nice week everybody!

Andy

Halina123 · Oct 1, 2017

You didn't strip the exif information. So it's easy to know which is which.

I agree that the iPhone looks better.

madhav56 · Oct 2, 2017

There is no reason for the results to be very different, as long as the iPhone doesn't get starved of light. Its already at Max aperture of 1.8, shutter speed of 1/15 & ISO of 80.

Reduce the light further and one will see the ISO going up & so will the noise.

In good light, no reason why the compact camera in iPhone 8 should not produce good results.

DaSonyGuy · Oct 4, 2017

One only has to look at the shallower DOF in the first image to see it's not from a phone camera...Phone cameras cannot achieve shallow DOF like this, because they have a tiny sensor.

Fuji XT-1 or iPhone 8?

Fuji XT-1 or iPhone 8 ?

I took some test photos with my beloved Fuji and the newly arrived iPhone 8. These of course are not in any way scientific etc. but the images above illustrate what keeps happening to me. I look through my photos collection in thumbnail view and without looking too closely I cannot tell the mobile photos apart from the mirrorless. In fact oftentimes I get them wrong, The above I got wrong even in 100% view (if you look for it the booke gives away the Fuji).

The point I want to make is, that for me the iPhone camera more an d more becomes my normal "go-to" camera whereas the Fuji is my specialist tool. I'm not devastated anymore if I leave it behind accidentally and do so more and more on purpose because of weight and bulk. I'm trying to figure out lenses for the fuji which keep the quality distance to the phone or make it more obvious but I'm struggling to justify the cost.

Amazing what mobile phones can do today.

cheers

Andy

PS Btw The one on top is the Fuji...

Jostian · Oct 4, 2017

Fuji shot at 2500 iso and iPhone at 80 iso so its a bit unfair, but even at 80 iso iPhone has more smearing of fine detail.

Halina123 · Oct 4, 2017

Jostian said:
Fuji shot at 2500 iso and iPhone at 80 iso so its a bit unfair, but even at 80 iso iPhone has more smearing of fine detail.

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Jostian

After downloading both and pixel peeping, it's clear that the fuji is the far superior camera. The only problem here is the settings. ISO 2500, aperture f/2.8 (limited dof) and shutter speed 1/125 for a stationary subject.

Better settings would have been, Sutter speed 1/30 fast enough to cope with camera shake, aperture f/4 more dof so sharper overall image and ISO 1250 better IQ.

bigley Ling · Oct 4, 2017

If you had the 8+ And used the portrait mode the difference in depth of field may not be as obvious. Apples implementation of pseudo computational shallow depth of field using dual optics is quite remarkable.

If you are worried the xt1's current focal length is being oust by the iPhone an option may be trade to a zoom lens or a mid tele prime like a fast 50mm.

Sactojim · Oct 4, 2017

ISO 2500 on the Fuji.

ISO 80 on the iphone and still loses...

madhav56 · Oct 4, 2017

Halina123 said:
Jostian said:

Fuji shot at 2500 iso and iPhone at 80 iso so its a bit unfair, but even at 80 iso iPhone has more smearing of fine detail.

Click to expand...

Jostian · Oct 5, 2017

madhav56 said:
Halina123 said:

Jostian said:

Fuji shot at 2500 iso and iPhone at 80 iso so its a bit unfair, but even at 80 iso iPhone has more smearing of fine detail.

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Jostian

Click to expand...

After downloading both and pixel peeping, it's clear that the fuji is the far superior camera. The only problem here is the settings. ISO 2500, aperture f/2.8 (limited dof) and shutter speed 1/125 for a stationary subject.

Better settings would have been, Sutter speed 1/30 fast enough to cope with camera shake, aperture f/4 more dof so sharper overall image and ISO 1250 better IQ.

Click to expand...

Since iPhone-8 (CF =7) is shot at f/1.8, 1/15s, ISO 80, Eqv. FL 28mm, the Fuji should be shot at 18mm (Eqv. 27mm) , f/13, 1/15s & ISO 4000.

This will give same FOV, DOF, exposure in the Fuji and then a comparison would be on equivalence.

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Madhav Bodas

there is nothing equivalent between iso 80 and iso 4000... iso is iso, higher iso gets the less actual light getting to sensor, less light degenerates IQ, like comparing FF to APS-C you compare like for like (iso wise), that's the whole point of sensor size vs IQ.

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Jostian

madhav56 · Oct 5, 2017

U should try this sometime. Take your camera and mobile phone and take picture from same spot keeping FOV, DOF, Aperture and speed same & ISO on Auto in Camera as well.

You will find that ISO on the camera will be approx CF square X ISO of Mobile cemera.

I am going by what DPR has to say about Equivalence:

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/2666934640/what-is-equivalence-and-why-should-i-care/4https://www.dpreview.com/articles/2666934640/what-is-equivalence-and-why-should-i-care/4

madhav56 · Oct 5, 2017

Maybe this will help too:

Jostian · Oct 5, 2017

madhav56 said:
U should try this sometime. Take your camera and mobile phone and take picture from same spot keeping FOV, DOF, Aperture and speed same & ISO on Auto in Camera as well.

You will find that ISO on the camera will be approx CF square X ISO of Mobile cemera.

I am going by what DPR has to say about Equivalence:

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/2...0/what-is-equivalence-and-why-should-i-care/4

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Madhav Bodas

I understand the equivalence notion for DoV, F stop etc. but dont agree on the iso front, when DPReview compare IQ in camera reviews, especially at higher iso's that's the big win for bigger sensors, they never talk of equivalence there (they just compare iso 3200 for example between a pinhead size sensor camera and the 3200 iso shot from and APS-C) and then say (rightly) that obviously the 3200 iso shot from the APS-C is better due to the larger sensor.

The equivalence things is basically saying that based on X sensor size (compared to other sizes) that for things to be equal you need to multiply values based on the ratio of sensor sizes being compared, i.e.: for a pinhead size sensor to be equal to an APS-C sized sensor you need to multiply parameters X,Y, Z etc. But the bottom line is there is no equality due to the difference in size between sensors and the inherent benefits that come with larger sensor sizes.

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Jostian

aruky · Oct 5, 2017

Yeah, I'm thinking in investing in fixed focal lens to really get the best from the Fuji. Maybe the budget friendly 50mm/2,0 or the one of the 35s.

Van Nostrand · Oct 6, 2017

ChuckTa said:
The depth of view give it away easy. The Fuji image is a bit too green and the Iphone a bit too red.

For low iso image with better details, there are better camera phone out there like the Samsung S8, Huawei P10, and Pixel ... etc

Agree. With the Iphone everything is within a certain focus range and shadow noise.......tell tale signs .

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