A Cautionary Tale about Buying used Lenses on Ebay

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I have bought nearly all of my XF lenses (5 of them) used on auctions and had no issues -- they were all as good as new and as sharp as you would want them.

I put in a low bid on a "$1450, buy it now--make an offer" auction on a "pristine" 100-400 and to my surprise, the seller accepted my low ball offer of $1,280.00. I could not believe my luck! I bought with confidence, as I had scored 5 times before and always has this "buyer's satisfaction" guarantee" that if the item is defective in any way they will make it good.

Well, I paid for express shipping so it would come in the day we were leaving for our Florida Vacation so I could take it with me and shoot some birds at the beach. Upon opening the box, the lens was indeed in pristine cosmetic condition -- as if it had never been used. I could not believe my luck!

I bolted it onto my XT2 and started snapping away. AF worked great. When I got in doors to look at the images, they were all soft. That's when I broke out the tripod and removed all other possible user error factors, off, etc while shooting targets with it and my trusty 55-200 scooted closer so the target filled the frame to the same degree as the Xf100-400. At every aperture, the xf100-400 was S-I-G-N-I-F-I-C-A-N-T-L-Y less sharp. You can see some of my posts from a few months ago asking for opinions during my testing. You would never be able to get a bird feather to show up on this thing at any aperture or distance.

So no problem. Buyer's satisfaction guarantee, right? Not so fast. Once the seller refuses to take a return (which he did, even with me offering to reimburse both shippings). give the seller 4 days to contact and say why they don't want to accept a return.

Then on the 5th day, I get an email from a random rep with no last name saying the seller says the lens is fine, and my blurry images I sent mean nothing and I have 3 days to get a signed letter from an authorized Fuji repair facility that the lens is defective and get a repair estimate. there's nothing they can do. Oh, and by the way, I'm not allowed to ship it to the closest NJ Fuji repair facility. It might get damaged in shipping and it would invalidate Ebay's protections policy. I'm supposed to drive it from Florida to New Jersey on my vacation. And in the 14 I had back and forth trying to tell them what they ask is impossible in the time frame given, each of the 14 emails was to a different nameless person. On day 4, the case was closed and no more emails were accepted on the case.

I'm not whining here. It all turned out ok. I sold the lens to a used camera store for $1,200.00. They knew nothing of how sharp this lens was supposed to and just cared that the glass was not scratched and the AF worked.

I'm not sharing this for sympathy. I got off easy and only payed $50 for a learning experience. I'm sharing this so nobody makes the same mistake I did in trusting the Ebay buyers protection. Unless the thing you buy is broken into pieces upon arrival, there is not really any protections for the buyer for something more subjective like buying a bad or decentered copy of a lens. You may not be as lucky and lose more money than I did. From now on, if I do buy from ebay, it will only be from sellers with a return policy, which limits the choices severley, but there it is.

Poscript: I just bought an old cheap legacy 400mm telephoto lens for $300.00 and it's not super sharp but it's actually sharper, smaller and lighter than the decentered xf100-400 I sold. But of course no AF or IS. Not knocking the Fuji cause I know many people here have good copies and love them. But the better part of 2K for a new one is out of my price range.
 
Did you pay with PayPal? I've never had a problem returning defective items when dealing with less than honest sellers by opening a case with PayPal. A bit of a hassle for sure..
 
,,,Then on the 5th day, I get an email from a random rep with no last name saying the seller says the lens is fine, and my blurry images I sent mean nothing...
That is an eBay rep, yes?

Although eBay mistreats sellers more often than buyers, the underlying fact is that eBay thinks first of eBay and proceeds accordingly. One cannot expect fair resolution of disputes from eBay.
 
I have bought nearly all of my XF lenses (5 of them) used on auctions and had no issues -- they were all as good as new and as sharp as you would want them.

I put in a low bid on a "$1450, buy it now--make an offer" auction on a "pristine" 100-400 and to my surprise, the seller accepted my low ball offer of $1,280.00. I could not believe my luck! I bought with confidence, as I had scored 5 times before and always has this "buyer's satisfaction" guarantee" that if the item is defective in any way they will make it good.

Well, I paid for express shipping so it would come in the day we were leaving for our Florida Vacation so I could take it with me and shoot some birds at the beach. Upon opening the box, the lens was indeed in pristine cosmetic condition -- as if it had never been used. I could not believe my luck!

I bolted it onto my XT2 and started snapping away. AF worked great. When I got in doors to look at the images, they were all soft. That's when I broke out the tripod and removed all other possible user error factors, off, etc while shooting targets with it and my trusty 55-200 scooted closer so the target filled the frame to the same degree as the Xf100-400. At every aperture, the xf100-400 was S-I-G-N-I-F-I-C-A-N-T-L-Y less sharp. You can see some of my posts from a few months ago asking for opinions during my testing. You would never be able to get a bird feather to show up on this thing at any aperture or distance.

So no problem. Buyer's satisfaction guarantee, right? Not so fast. Once the seller refuses to take a return (which he did, even with me offering to reimburse both shippings). give the seller 4 days to contact and say why they don't want to accept a return.

Then on the 5th day, I get an email from a random rep with no last name saying the seller says the lens is fine, and my blurry images I sent mean nothing and I have 3 days to get a signed letter from an authorized Fuji repair facility that the lens is defective and get a repair estimate. there's nothing they can do. Oh, and by the way, I'm not allowed to ship it to the closest NJ Fuji repair facility. It might get damaged in shipping and it would invalidate Ebay's protections policy. I'm supposed to drive it from Florida to New Jersey on my vacation. And in the 14 I had back and forth trying to tell them what they ask is impossible in the time frame given, each of the 14 emails was to a different nameless person. On day 4, the case was closed and no more emails were accepted on the case.

I'm not whining here. It all turned out ok. I sold the lens to a used camera store for $1,200.00. They knew nothing of how sharp this lens was supposed to and just cared that the glass was not scratched and the AF worked.

I'm not sharing this for sympathy. I got off easy and only payed $50 for a learning experience. I'm sharing this so nobody makes the same mistake I did in trusting the Ebay buyers protection. Unless the thing you buy is broken into pieces upon arrival, there is not really any protections for the buyer for something more subjective like buying a bad or decentered copy of a lens. You may not be as lucky and lose more money than I did. From now on, if I do buy from ebay, it will only be from sellers with a return policy, which limits the choices severley, but there it is.

Poscript: I just bought an old cheap legacy 400mm telephoto lens for $300.00 and it's not super sharp but it's actually sharper, smaller and lighter than the decentered xf100-400 I sold. But of course no AF or IS. Not knocking the Fuji cause I know many people here have good copies and love them. But the better part of 2K for a new one is out of my price range.
A valuable lesson for sure. I would never purchase anything from ebay. I hate their practices.
 
Ive read a couple of complaints on the 100-400 somewhere. There may be more chances of a soft lens on the 100-400,? dont know for sure, Not saying i was real aware of such issues with such stratiform, check and balances coming, from fujifilm, thanks for the heads up
 
Who is the seller?

I've never heard about a case when ebay would decide against the buyer. After all, the Paypal, and possibly CC can issue a charge back and ebay would eat the loss. The seller doesn't have any such remedy, so it's easy to decide against the seller. So I guess there is something special about this seller that you were treated differently.

What type of case did you open? Defective product?
 
Hi,

That's a very cautionary tale, certainly about the value of e-Bay return intervention.

I've bought from e-Bay a lot and had very few problems. Those that did occur were on inexpensive legacy lenses and I didn't return them because of the hassle of communications with the seller overseas and postage costs relative to the price of the lens. I chose to get fungus cleaned from a few primes and wear the cost myself, wrote off one cheap zoom, and sold another because the XC 50-230 concerned worked better on other cameras than it did on mine for no explicable reason.

The other thing that concerns me about your tale is what happens to the lens, the next buyer and the B&M store you sold it to..... Obviously a dud lens is a dud lens, whoever buys it, and transferring the problem isn't solving the problem.

Regards, Rod
 
I have bought nearly all of my XF lenses (5 of them) used on auctions and had no issues -- they were all as good as new and as sharp as you would want them.

I put in a low bid on a "$1450, buy it now--make an offer" auction on a "pristine" 100-400 and to my surprise, the seller accepted my low ball offer of $1,280.00. I could not believe my luck! I bought with confidence, as I had scored 5 times before and always has this "buyer's satisfaction" guarantee" that if the item is defective in any way they will make it good.

Well, I paid for express shipping so it would come in the day we were leaving for our Florida Vacation so I could take it with me and shoot some birds at the beach. Upon opening the box, the lens was indeed in pristine cosmetic condition -- as if it had never been used. I could not believe my luck!

I bolted it onto my XT2 and started snapping away. AF worked great. When I got in doors to look at the images, they were all soft. That's when I broke out the tripod and removed all other possible user error factors, off, etc while shooting targets with it and my trusty 55-200 scooted closer so the target filled the frame to the same degree as the Xf100-400. At every aperture, the xf100-400 was S-I-G-N-I-F-I-C-A-N-T-L-Y less sharp. You can see some of my posts from a few months ago asking for opinions during my testing. You would never be able to get a bird feather to show up on this thing at any aperture or distance.

So no problem. Buyer's satisfaction guarantee, right? Not so fast. Once the seller refuses to take a return (which he did, even with me offering to reimburse both shippings). give the seller 4 days to contact and say why they don't want to accept a return.

Then on the 5th day, I get an email from a random rep with no last name saying the seller says the lens is fine, and my blurry images I sent mean nothing and I have 3 days to get a signed letter from an authorized Fuji repair facility that the lens is defective and get a repair estimate. there's nothing they can do. Oh, and by the way, I'm not allowed to ship it to the closest NJ Fuji repair facility. It might get damaged in shipping and it would invalidate Ebay's protections policy. I'm supposed to drive it from Florida to New Jersey on my vacation. And in the 14 I had back and forth trying to tell them what they ask is impossible in the time frame given, each of the 14 emails was to a different nameless person. On day 4, the case was closed and no more emails were accepted on the case.

I'm not whining here. It all turned out ok. I sold the lens to a used camera store for $1,200.00. They knew nothing of how sharp this lens was supposed to and just cared that the glass was not scratched and the AF worked.

I'm not sharing this for sympathy. I got off easy and only payed $50 for a learning experience. I'm sharing this so nobody makes the same mistake I did in trusting the Ebay buyers protection. Unless the thing you buy is broken into pieces upon arrival, there is not really any protections for the buyer for something more subjective like buying a bad or decentered copy of a lens. You may not be as lucky and lose more money than I did. From now on, if I do buy from ebay, it will only be from sellers with a return policy, which limits the choices severley, but there it is.

Poscript: I just bought an old cheap legacy 400mm telephoto lens for $300.00 and it's not super sharp but it's actually sharper, smaller and lighter than the decentered xf100-400 I sold. But of course no AF or IS. Not knocking the Fuji cause I know many people here have good copies and love them. But the better part of 2K for a new one is out of my price range.
A valuable lesson for sure. I would never purchase anything from ebay. I hate their practices.
You know, I had good luck up till then. I just never knew the whole buyer protection thing is a fantasy.
 
The other thing that concerns me about your tale is what happens to the lens, the next buyer and the B&M store you sold it to..... Obviously a dud lens is a dud lens, whoever buys it, and transferring the problem isn't solving the problem.
Seems like the end of this story will be the beginning of another's hard luck story. Caveat Emptor folks.
 
Buying from an individual seller on eBay is the worst risk. There are storefronts for all the big shops (Cameta, etc.) but it's just easier to go directly to them, it'll be the same Buy It Now price.

Reliable sources: Professional Used Market brokers like KEH. There are others now, but KEH ratings are very accurate. Other options; look for Demo rated items from the likes of Adorama and B&H. I've bought from all three, only one return due to dissatisfaction, and it wasn't a hassle to do so.
 
Sad story. I also got many used lenses from Ebay and didn't meet any problem yet. I check that the seller percentage of positive feedback is higher than something like 99.7, but sellers are begging for perfect evaluations nowadays so I am no longer sure what those high ratings mean really. I'll be cautious. Thanks for sharing.
 
I'm not too keen on return policy since it could entail a long and time consuming dispute

I usually buy from a seller with many >0 feedback (more than 100+)

This would ensure at least the seller has been honest in the past

No guarantees here but if the seller wants to continue to do business on eBay he/she better keeps the feedback intact

Voila
 
I've completed nearly 1000 transactions on eBay. I've dealt with returns as a buyer and a seller. I've dealt with items damaged during shipping and even items that disappeared during shipping.

There is no requirement to prove an item is defective in order to return it. If a seller lists an item as "No Returns", a buyer can still return the item within 14 days. You should always use Paypal as payment method. They provide additional buyer protection and also allow you to return and get a refund for any item purchased.

There is no reason to avoid shopping on eBay. Whether buying from a large storefront or individual seller, the buyer always gets protection. I am not sure what happened to the OP, but I believe if a case had been opened with both eBay and PayPal, the OP would have gotten a refund.
 
I'm not whining here. It all turned out ok. I sold the lens to a used camera store for $1,200.00. They knew nothing of how sharp this lens was supposed to and just cared that the glass was not scratched and the AF worked.
Sorry to hear of your experience. When you sold it to the shop, did you note to them that the lens appears soft to you? Personally, I would never sell something on without sharing everything I know. My personal integrity is worth far more than a few thousand dollars and even hundreds of thousands for that matter.
 
There is no requirement to prove an item is defective in order to return it. If a seller lists an item as "No Returns", a buyer can still return the item within 14 days. You should always use Paypal as payment method. They provide additional buyer protection and also allow you to return and get a refund for any item purchased.
Interesting. Where in the ebay-terms is this regulated?

@ OP: it is not clear who the rep-with-no-last-name is. Is he from the seller?

Did you try and open a dispute (on ebay, and on paypal)?
 
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It is a story of a lens that has been sold fraudulently twice. The fact that the OP was both victim and perpetrator does not make the second sale morally neutral.
 
I'm not whining here. It all turned out ok. I sold the lens to a used camera store for $1,200.00. They knew nothing of how sharp this lens was supposed to and just cared that the glass was not scratched and the AF worked

so you as a seller moved the problem on as did the previous seller?......
 
I I am not sure what happened to the OP, but I believe if a case had been opened with both eBay and PayPal, the OP would have gotten a refund.
one cannot open a case with both E-Bay AND PAYPAL, just one or the other
Perhaps not simultaneously, but if the eBay case doesn't resolve the issue, you can close it and open a PayPal case. Either one should allow the buyer to return without hassle.

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FOCUS on what's important---CAPTURE the good times---DEVELOP from the negatives---
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