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TG-5 NR "off" is the best feature, one less reason for RAW

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As said in title, one of the most important reason to process RAW is to remove all NR in low ISO pics (I actually have no NR for all pics including high ISO, I prefer the most detail with noise but that is just me)

TG-5 has NR "off" option. My last camera is TG-2 which don't have this option. Is it feature in TG-4?

If not this is a very valuable new feature in my opinion
 
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Jefftan said:
TG-5 has NR "off" option. My last camera is TG-2 which don't have this option. Is it feature in TG-4?
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The TG-4 has no menu option to adjust NR. However, if you're shooting RAW, that's irrelevant.
 
This with NR Off option sounds pretty interesting, especially if it works about as well as it should. I've been interested in the TG-series for quite some time but chose to avoid it due to the need to use Raw. Yes I really don't like smudgy NR which destroy fine-details and neither to process Raws. So in general I try to avoid cameras that uses a much NR for jpegs with exception for the Leica X1 which I actually uses in Raw.

May any of you share a picture from the TG-5 which include grass or foliage so that I and others who is interested can see how well it actually works?
 
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This with NR Off option sounds pretty interesting, especially if it works about as well as it should. I've been interested in the TG-series for quite some time but chose to avoid it due to the need to use Raw. Yes I really don't like smudgy NR which destroy fine-details and neither to process Raws. So in general I try to avoid cameras that uses a much NR for jpegs with exception for the Leica X1 which I actually uses in Raw.

May any of you share a picture from the TG-5 which include grass or foliage so that I and others who is interested can see how well it actually works?
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I can confirm with u that NR off is real

the same image with camera jepeg NR off seem to have even more noise than the RAW file produce jpeg with Olympus Viewer 3 (also NR off in program)

So it is real NR off not bull
 
schaki said:
This with NR Off option sounds pretty interesting, especially if it works about as well as it should. I've been interested in the TG-series for quite some time but chose to avoid it due to the need to use Raw. Yes I really don't like smudgy NR which destroy fine-details and neither to process Raws. So in general I try to avoid cameras that uses a much NR for jpegs with exception for the Leica X1 which I actually uses in Raw.

May any of you share a picture from the TG-5 which include grass or foliage so that I and others who is interested can see how well it actually works?
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It is my personal opinion that for a small 1/2.3 sensor camera, no NR even for even high ISO (ISO 1600 is maximum I use) produce the best IQ image

just tolerate the noise would give more detail and overall a more pleasing looking image (sharp image too and no NR induce softness)
 
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schaki said:
May any of you share a picture from the TG-5 which include grass or foliage so that I and others who is interested can see how well it actually works?
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I don't have such an image now but I can assure u at ISO 100/200 there are really lots of detail with camera jpeg (NR off)

of course if u talk about ISO 800/1600 there would be much less detail and much more noise. It is the best i have ever seen for a small sensor camera including phone but still don't expect miracle like those from a large sensor

With NR off don't see much need for RAW, Olympus jpeg color is very pleasing to me and detail/sharpness/color all there with camera jpeg

White balance is sometimes off in indoor setting if use auto WB so still a use for RAW
 
schaki said:
This with NR Off option sounds pretty interesting, especially if it works about as well as it should. I've been interested in the TG-series for quite some time but chose to avoid it due to the need to use Raw. Yes I really don't like smudgy NR which destroy fine-details and neither to process Raws. So in general I try to avoid cameras that uses a much NR for jpegs with exception for the Leica X1 which I actually uses in Raw.

May any of you share a picture from the TG-5 which include grass or foliage so that I and others who is interested can see how well it actually works?
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My advice is buy it, u won't regret

I like my TG-2 that's why I buy TG-5. TG5 is much better than TG-2 in every way including low light AF that really bother me in TG-2

Now is much better. 4k, slow motion 1080p, pro capture, NR off jpeg, excellent macro, RAW

there is the best tough camera ever and I have buy tough camera for a long long time, start with Olympus 790SW in maybe 2007, than TX5, TS1, TG2

This is the absolute best small sensor camera including phone , no contest
 
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Jefftan said:
schaki said:
This with NR Off option sounds pretty interesting...
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It is my personal opinion that for a small 1/2.3 sensor camera, no NR even for even high ISO (ISO 1600 is maximum I use) produce the best IQ image.
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I just tried an experiment to verify or disprove your theory.

Taking the ISO 100 images from I-R.com (NR=0 and NR=3) and downsampling them (Lanczos-3) to be 1200 pixels high (to match my monitor) I could see no differences. The one with NR=3 was bigger, counter-intuitively.

Since you say ISO 1600 is your maximum, I followed the same procedure (NR=0 and NR=3). This time I see differences, and the NR=0 is larger, and I would say worse. See below. I'm curious who would agree or disagree.

So perhaps NR=1 or NR=2 is a better choice? I don't see the point of shooting NR=0 all the time if it is no better at ISO 100 and worse at ISO 1600. Downsampled noise is most easily visible in the shadowy areas behind the bottles (click original).

ISO 1600 NR=0 (no noise reduction)

ISO 1600 NR=0 (no noise reduction)

ISO 1600 NR=3 (maximum noise reduction)

ISO 1600 NR=3 (maximum noise reduction)
 
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I look at your 2 samples, it don't disprove what i said

1) first the picture is very bright. for high ISO pics there is less noise in bright scene but don't actually need high ISO.

High ISO is used in low light scene where ISO 1600 has much more noise. If in bright scene one can probably use at least 1 more stop (ISO 3200)

2) I download your 2 pics and look at it at 100%. Look at the cloth. It is exactly what I said (yes it is subtle but is true)

NR 3 pics has less detail and the image is softer (less sharp)

The biggest reason I hate NR is it make the image soft and remove detail. You sample prove what I said
 
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I look at your 2 samples, it don't disprove what i said

1) first the picture is very bright. for high ISO pics there is less noise in bright scene but don't actually need high ISO. High ISO is used in low light scene where ISO 1600 has much more noise. If in bright scene one can probably use at least 1 more stop (ISO 3200)

2) I download your 2 pics and look at it at 100%. Look at the cloth. It is exactly what I said (yes it is subtle but is true). NR 3 pics has less detail and the image is softer (less sharp)

The biggest reason I hate NR is it make the image soft and remove detail. You sample prove what I said.
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OK, we disagree on this. In the bright red cloth at NR=0 the only detail is noise. There isn't any pattern showing. In the other colors of fabric, I don't see any major reduction in detail from NR=3. Below the yarns and between the bottles, I really don't like the splotchiness from NR=0. See side-by-side below. If I buy this camera, I'll try the NR adjustments in between.

Despite noise, still can't see mosaic background in Hellas bottle

Despite noise, still can't see mosaic background in Hellas bottle
 
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