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Just had to post my experience after returning from a 3 day Miami trip. It was a big mistake not bringing the 5D along with it. M6 does very well in day light and brightly lit room but evening beach scene or dinner in a classy restaurant was such a torture to focus. I have to say unlike the 5D, ISO 6400 or above on M6 is quite unuseable. Just sharing my experience. I have been trying to like a set of mirrorless for travel purpose for some time now but always end up back to DSLR. In fact, at one point I sold all my DSLR gear in favor of Samsung gear but we all know that went lol.

Cheers, all not trying to start a debate.
 
Reza Raquib said:
Just had to post my experience after returning from a 3 day Miami trip. It was a big mistake not bringing the 5D along with it. M6 does very well in day light and brightly lit room but evening beach scene or dinner in a classy restaurant was such a torture to focus. I have to say unlike the 5D, ISO 6400 or above on M6 is quite unuseable. Just sharing my experience. I have been trying to like a set of mirrorless for travel purpose for some time now but always end up back to DSLR. In fact, at one point I sold all my DSLR gear in favor of Samsung gear but we all know that went lol.

Cheers, all not trying to start a debate.
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What lens did you use in the restaurant? I found focus to be very good even in difficult lighting conditions with fast primes (85/1.8, 50/1.8, 35/2, 22/2). I agree that the slow EF-M zooms are unusable in that environment.
 
Reza Raquib said:
Just had to post my experience after returning from a 3 day Miami trip. It was a big mistake not bringing the 5D along with it. M6 does very well in day light and brightly lit room but evening beach scene or dinner in a classy restaurant was such a torture to focus. I have to say unlike the 5D, ISO 6400 or above on M6 is quite unuseable. Just sharing my experience. I have been trying to like a set of mirrorless for travel purpose for some time now but always end up back to DSLR. In fact, at one point I sold all my DSLR gear in favor of Samsung gear but we all know that went lol.

Cheers, all not trying to start a debate.
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Though I do not have the 5D IV (I have stopped the full-frame armament race with the 5D II..;-)), I have been using the M6 for a couple of weeks now and I can say that ISO 6400 and event above is more than usable: there are a lot of samples to prove that on flickR or PixelPeeper, otherwise I would post some here.
 
IMO it depends on the subject and lighting conditions.

I have a M5 and 70D and find that both are really limited to ISO 1600 if I don't want the noise to annoy me, BUT this is for low light or night shots.

In daylight shots higher ISO is OK, if, for example, trying to achieve higher shutter speeds, but I still wouldn't go above ISO 6400.

I think it also depends on how the images are viewed - on my Dell QHD 27", the noise in a full definition image is getting visible at full screen, whereas the same image viewed on a small (phone or tablet, or even average laptop) screen is less obvious, and of course, social media is much more forgiving.

Colin
 
mouzhik said:
Reza Raquib said:
Just had to post my experience after returning from a 3 day Miami trip. It was a big mistake not bringing the 5D along with it. M6 does very well in day light and brightly lit room but evening beach scene or dinner in a classy restaurant was such a torture to focus. I have to say unlike the 5D, ISO 6400 or above on M6 is quite unuseable. Just sharing my experience. I have been trying to like a set of mirrorless for travel purpose for some time now but always end up back to DSLR. In fact, at one point I sold all my DSLR gear in favor of Samsung gear but we all know that went lol.

Cheers, all not trying to start a debate.
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Though I do not have the 5D IV (I have stopped the full-frame armament race with the 5D II..;-)), I have been using the M6 for a couple of weeks now and I can say that ISO 6400 and event above is more than usable: there are a lot of samples to prove that on flickR or PixelPeeper, otherwise I would post some here.
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When you actually need higher ISO as in low light in a restaurant the noise above 1600 is pretty bad. No need show me samples, try it yourself.
 
Sharif said:
Reza Raquib said:
Just had to post my experience after returning from a 3 day Miami trip. It was a big mistake not bringing the 5D along with it. M6 does very well in day light and brightly lit room but evening beach scene or dinner in a classy restaurant was such a torture to focus. I have to say unlike the 5D, ISO 6400 or above on M6 is quite unuseable. Just sharing my experience. I have been trying to like a set of mirrorless for travel purpose for some time now but always end up back to DSLR. In fact, at one point I sold all my DSLR gear in favor of Samsung gear but we all know that went lol.

Cheers, all not trying to start a debate.
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What lens did you use in the restaurant? I found focus to be very good even in difficult lighting conditions with fast primes (85/1.8, 50/1.8, 35/2, 22/2). I agree that the slow EF-M zooms are unusable in that environment.
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Reza Raquib said:
Sharif said:
Reza Raquib said:
Just had to post my experience after returning from a 3 day Miami trip. It was a big mistake not bringing the 5D along with it. M6 does very well in day light and brightly lit room but evening beach scene or dinner in a classy restaurant was such a torture to focus. I have to say unlike the 5D, ISO 6400 or above on M6 is quite unuseable. Just sharing my experience. I have been trying to like a set of mirrorless for travel purpose for some time now but always end up back to DSLR. In fact, at one point I sold all my DSLR gear in favor of Samsung gear but we all know that went lol.

Cheers, all not trying to start a debate.
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What lens did you use in the restaurant? I found focus to be very good even in difficult lighting conditions with fast primes (85/1.8, 50/1.8, 35/2, 22/2). I agree that the slow EF-M zooms are unusable in that environment.
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Sharif said:
Reza Raquib said:
Sharif said:
Reza Raquib said:
Just had to post my experience after returning from a 3 day Miami trip. It was a big mistake not bringing the 5D along with it. M6 does very well in day light and brightly lit room but evening beach scene or dinner in a classy restaurant was such a torture to focus. I have to say unlike the 5D, ISO 6400 or above on M6 is quite unuseable. Just sharing my experience. I have been trying to like a set of mirrorless for travel purpose for some time now but always end up back to DSLR. In fact, at one point I sold all my DSLR gear in favor of Samsung gear but we all know that went lol.

Cheers, all not trying to start a debate.
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What lens did you use in the restaurant? I found focus to be very good even in difficult lighting conditions with fast primes (85/1.8, 50/1.8, 35/2, 22/2). I agree that the slow EF-M zooms are unusable in that environment.
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Sharif said:
Reza Raquib said:
Sharif said:
Reza Raquib said:
Just had to post my experience after returning from a 3 day Miami trip. It was a big mistake not bringing the 5D along with it. M6 does very well in day light and brightly lit room but evening beach scene or dinner in a classy restaurant was such a torture to focus. I have to say unlike the 5D, ISO 6400 or above on M6 is quite unuseable. Just sharing my experience. I have been trying to like a set of mirrorless for travel purpose for some time now but always end up back to DSLR. In fact, at one point I sold all my DSLR gear in favor of Samsung gear but we all know that went lol.

Cheers, all not trying to start a debate.
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What lens did you use in the restaurant? I found focus to be very good even in difficult lighting conditions with fast primes (85/1.8, 50/1.8, 35/2, 22/2). I agree that the slow EF-M zooms are unusable in that environment.
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MikeJ9116 said:
Sharif said:
Reza Raquib said:
Sharif said:
Reza Raquib said:
Just had to post my experience after returning from a 3 day Miami trip. It was a big mistake not bringing the 5D along with it. M6 does very well in day light and brightly lit room but evening beach scene or dinner in a classy restaurant was such a torture to focus. I have to say unlike the 5D, ISO 6400 or above on M6 is quite unuseable. Just sharing my experience. I have been trying to like a set of mirrorless for travel purpose for some time now but always end up back to DSLR. In fact, at one point I sold all my DSLR gear in favor of Samsung gear but we all know that went lol.

Cheers, all not trying to start a debate.
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What lens did you use in the restaurant? I found focus to be very good even in difficult lighting conditions with fast primes (85/1.8, 50/1.8, 35/2, 22/2). I agree that the slow EF-M zooms are unusable in that environment.
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"When you actually need higher ISO as in low light in a restaurant the noise above 1600 is pretty bad. No need show me samples, try it yourself."

I have tried already and I am quite happy with the result..;-)
 
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mouzhik said:
"When you actually need higher ISO as in low light in a restaurant the noise above 1600 is pretty bad. No need show me samples, try it yourself."

I have tried already and I am quite happy with the result..;-)
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I suppose what is acceptable is relative.
 
MikeJ9116 said:
Sharif said:
Reza Raquib said:
Sharif said:
Reza Raquib said:
Just had to post my experience after returning from a 3 day Miami trip. It was a big mistake not bringing the 5D along with it. M6 does very well in day light and brightly lit room but evening beach scene or dinner in a classy restaurant was such a torture to focus. I have to say unlike the 5D, ISO 6400 or above on M6 is quite unuseable. Just sharing my experience. I have been trying to like a set of mirrorless for travel purpose for some time now but always end up back to DSLR. In fact, at one point I sold all my DSLR gear in favor of Samsung gear but we all know that went lol.

Cheers, all not trying to start a debate.
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What lens did you use in the restaurant? I found focus to be very good even in difficult lighting conditions with fast primes (85/1.8, 50/1.8, 35/2, 22/2). I agree that the slow EF-M zooms are unusable in that environment.
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Yes... fast prime threads make up lots of this forum...

For me, the M5 HAS taken over my travel kit, and displaced my 5 series dslrs. I tried w the M, but no love. Alternately, the M5 has passed my tests. You DO however, have to be willing to go to the fixed focal length of the M22 in low light... or struggle w onboard flash. It's a very real trade-off for portability of the system.

I was at a San Francisco wedding dinner at the Cliff House as the sun set into the ocean... I was panning around the room doing very nice head shot candids with the M55-200, and I recall that all of the sudden, with what still looked like decent ambient light in the room, I just couldn't get a focus lock on the M5. Night and Day within a few lumens of brightness... ;-)

M22 an absolute must...

adapted ef35 f2 IS is great, for a ff50ish focal length in low light, but BIG... in my opinion, not so portable. Not as funny-big as my ef50 f1.2 though.
 
jjz2 said:
MikeJ9116 said:
Sharif said:
Reza Raquib said:
Sharif said:
Reza Raquib said:
Just had to post my experience after returning from a 3 day Miami trip. It was a big mistake not bringing the 5D along with it. M6 does very well in day light and brightly lit room but evening beach scene or dinner in a classy restaurant was such a torture to focus. I have to say unlike the 5D, ISO 6400 or above on M6 is quite unuseable. Just sharing my experience. I have been trying to like a set of mirrorless for travel purpose for some time now but always end up back to DSLR. In fact, at one point I sold all my DSLR gear in favor of Samsung gear but we all know that went lol.

Cheers, all not trying to start a debate.
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What lens did you use in the restaurant? I found focus to be very good even in difficult lighting conditions with fast primes (85/1.8, 50/1.8, 35/2, 22/2). I agree that the slow EF-M zooms are unusable in that environment.
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mouzhik said:
"When you actually need higher ISO as in low light in a restaurant the noise above 1600 is pretty bad. No need show me samples, try it yourself."

I have tried already and I am quite happy with the result..;-)
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Happy if you like faces and other detailed surfaces turning into mush?
 
I'd highly recommend the 22mm prime

It lacks IS, unfortunately, but it makes the M6 very small and light. It being somewhat wide, will make IS less necessary, and it's just wide enough to, for example, take a picture of someone sitting across from you along with their dish, or just them and the background.

low light AF is better with the 22mm, but still pretty bad compared to just using any dslr, which can lock focus in low light even with regular zoom lenses.
 
MikeJ9116 said:
jjz2 said:
MikeJ9116 said:
Sharif said:
Reza Raquib said:
Sharif said:
Reza Raquib said:
Just had to post my experience after returning from a 3 day Miami trip. It was a big mistake not bringing the 5D along with it. M6 does very well in day light and brightly lit room but evening beach scene or dinner in a classy restaurant was such a torture to focus. I have to say unlike the 5D, ISO 6400 or above on M6 is quite unuseable. Just sharing my experience. I have been trying to like a set of mirrorless for travel purpose for some time now but always end up back to DSLR. In fact, at one point I sold all my DSLR gear in favor of Samsung gear but we all know that went lol.

Cheers, all not trying to start a debate.
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What lens did you use in the restaurant? I found focus to be very good even in difficult lighting conditions with fast primes (85/1.8, 50/1.8, 35/2, 22/2). I agree that the slow EF-M zooms are unusable in that environment.
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The 22/2 cleans every lens' clock you can mount on the M's for indoor/low-light AF between it being both a native lens, and f/2 at a wide-r angle.

It's a night and day difference with the 22/2 mounted in low-light situations. Now that said it has limits, but, it pushes the boundary ALOT farther than your 15-45. If you're pushing ISO 6400 on a 15-45, your AF is toast (and IQ for that matter). On the other hand, if you're pushing ISO 12800 on a 22/2, it's still ticking (and the IQ is better too), just to put in perspective.

The 22/2 is an essential, IMO, for every M owner. I'm surprised Canon doesn't offer it as a bundle lens like they did the original EOS M.

If I'm going out, and want to carry just one lens (IE just my camera, not a bag), my workflow is as follows...

Outdoor / Daytime / Unknown what I'm going to shoot - 18-150 IS STM

Indoor / Nighttime / Really Small - 22/2 STM
 
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