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Hard choice for full frame upgrade
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Jeff Peterman
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But that means taking/finding the time to deal with selling the old bodies. Plus, when I shoot important events I like to have a backup body - I'm not sure that the SL2 would be good enough for that.
On the other hand, except for the 6D, my other bodies are worth practically nothing (the 7D is the original), and it would take a lot of effort to get more than about $600 for the lot (excluding the 6D).
On the other hand, except for the 6D, my other bodies are worth practically nothing (the 7D is the original), and it would take a lot of effort to get more than about $600 for the lot (excluding the 6D).
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rrccad
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this has been pretty overblown.
6D cluster against 1Ds Mark III AF point spread
Could it be better?
certainly.. however, if 4 months ago someone suggested it would have 45 point AF and the point spread around the same as the 1D Mark IV / 1Ds Mark III points, no one would have complained.
but to hear some go on, you'd think it was next to useless (not you)
(to create a larger spread requires a larger sub-mirror and more complex mirror and mechanical assembly).
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rrccad
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you may be surprised.
I just sold an SL1 for 225 not that long ago.
on ebay.. 7D's are still going for around $400, SL1 around $200, 40D's around $175 ..20D $100.. 10D around $75.
if you have kit lenses and the like that increases the value as well.
gets you around half way there.
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Jeff Peterman
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Oh the new focus points are certainly a big improvement over the 6D, but if they don't reach close to the top third of the screen on the MKII then recomposing or cropping is still necessary for most shots, even if not to the same extent as with the original model.
I don't know if they are, but even the 5D4 has a narrower band of focus points than the 7D.
Jeff Peterman
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The biggest issue is time - I am always trying to find the time to do the things that must be done, and prepping for the sale and then dealing with the shipping would take a lot, especially with so many bodies.
But maybe - once I get settled in to my new (not related to photography) job.
But maybe - once I get settled in to my new (not related to photography) job.
Jeff Peterman
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It looks like the top row of points is about 1/3 of the way from the center to the top edge of the view, while on the 5D MKIV it goes about 1/2 of the way between the center and the top edge of the view. Adding in that I'm pretty sure that the 5D viewfinder shows more of the total image than the 6D and the difference is pretty significant. On the other hand, it would be nice if the points on the 5D went a little closer to the edge!
Lawn Lends
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As a 6D owner I find it sad to say, but I feel little sympathy for people buying the 6D2:
It is a lot more expensive than an 80D, do you really need the benefits of the FF format (faster shutter speeds and better wide angle performance) at such a high cost (the cost is not just $$$, but also the loss in capabilities such as decent focus point coverage, better DR at low ISOs)? I have the feeling some people will be buying the 6D2 for FF bragging rights.
But if you do need the faster shutter speeds and better wide angle performance of the 6D2, why spend almost twice the price over the old 6D? Yes, the 6D2 is better almost all around than the 6D, but if you have so much money to throw around (instead of buying a 6D), you would be better served by saving up a little longer to buy a 5D4 which is really an older body by ten month older body than the 6D2 (and you can use it with your cell phone if you really have to have a flippy screen).
Canon really made the decision easy for us. It is sad that Canon decided to kick the 6D crowd to the curb, but they did. I dont think Canon has much sympathy for people that can only afford a $2,000 FF camera, so why should I?
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rrccad
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yes, it is a PITA.
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rrccad
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Assuming 6DII matches around the 6D with respects to DXO .. About the only thing the 80D has going for it is around a .8EV difference at ISO 100 and a .4 EV difference at ISO 200.
you gain a considerable high ISO advantage in both DR and ISO, much larger swath of lenses to chose from,etc.
As with most things a shortcoming is overblown out of proportion.
I'm curious where you can find a 6D with a canon supplied warranty from an authorized reseller new for $1000. you get a camera that with most respects is overall improved in every facet minus a couple.
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rrccad
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oh yes.
however the entire mirrorbox assembly between the 5D and 6D is hugely different and visually obvious it's more expensive.
making the sub mirror larger, even just from a napkin math increases complexity (bigger, heavier, needs more dampening,etc).
however, again, if someone said the 6D Mark II was getting the same AF spread as the 1Ds Mark III and 45 point all cross type, everyone would have been ecstatic.
it's all about managing expectations..
I haven't heard any real life complaints about the D610 or the D750 point spread - have you?
Yet..
[IMG width="400px" alt="D750 - both have the same corner areas covered. it's only "wider" by a single AF point spread."]https://i.gyazo.com/668bc1be77fb923efee8d7b12cbeebf9.png[/IMG]
D750 - both have the same corner areas covered. it's only "wider" by a single AF point spread.
D610 - dpreview did mention AF spread as a "con" to give credit where credit's due.
Yet I see people in here (not you) stating it's literally unusable. Say what?
I wouldn't let it worry you. try it out in a store if you are concerned.
alot of cameras have had the same point spread and many people loved them. I loved my EOS-3 for it's AF for eons..
and it was smaller.
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Jeff Peterman
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I wish I could, but I don't know of any place local that is likely to carry it (or the 5D MKIV).
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rrccad
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local best buy perhaps? they carry it in texas. not the IV though, just the 6D Mark II seems to be sold via best buy.
Jeff Peterman
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Worth checking out - I don't even need to go to the store first, but look at their Web site and check to see if a local store has it in stock.
I remember...
my advice, after looking at your gear list
sell a bunch of stuff including the 6d (sell at KEH) , the focus and recompose defeats the purpose and the crop sensor gives you deeper as you said
get 7d2, you'll love the focus and features - it is soooo much better than your 7d
get radio off camera lights
keep the SL1 and get a 77d ot T7i
carry three when you need them and shoot primes
keep 55-250 stm
keep your 70-200 f2.8 L IS for the 7d2 and pro shoots - keep it glued on during pro shoots
then run primes (35 f2 IS + 24 stm + 50 stm + 100L) on the rebels and a carry a wide - 10-18 stm
sell that old 17-55
The IQ of this setup is really good and my strategy for maximum flexibility at best value
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Jeff Peterman
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Unless you can set up a complicated light arrangement, I much prefer available light shots over ones with flash, requiring good high ISO. It is a matter of personal taste (or maybe lack of ability to work well with flash gear). So, I want the extra stop or so of full frame over the 7D MKII or the 80D. I also don't really need the fast shooting capability of the 7D.
So, that means a 6D MKII or possibly a 5D MKIV.
Maybe if I had the chance to play with a 7D MKII or an 80D for a while I would change my mind, but I don't.
So, that means a 6D MKII or possibly a 5D MKIV.
Maybe if I had the chance to play with a 7D MKII or an 80D for a while I would change my mind, but I don't.
reality check
7d2 slightly better high iso than 80d
5d3 only 0.6 stop better
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you said it on adjusting the seats of full frame to get it deeper dof and all in focus - defeats the purpose of noise unless you are shooting super thin -- which you don't have the good L prime lenses to do that -- so your system is working against you vs crop -- particularly the focus and recompose
open ones mind -- 7d2 and 77d have anti-flicker that opens up light
for extra thin dof you might have a stop, but that is a stop for the best L primes at very shallow dof. You pay on not having modern feature sets
yikes -- high dollars for little gain when one doesn't have the Shallow DOF L primes
I got my T7i for $699 - good dr - files more malleable-- dollars well spend
sell some stuff at KEH
good luck
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