Should companies be allowed to make money?

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Define "obscene".
Obviously that means different things to different people. To some, it's when a company reduces services and support, then triples bottom line profit.
Very true, it definitely means different things to different people. We've gone through some pretty interesting financial times in the last decade, and many are still in the throws of it. It has required some unique solutions, in many cases, for companies (and individuals and families) to stay afloat. I'd argue that if a company reduces services and support and then triples the bottom line profit that 1) we should look, historically, at their performance - are they simply righting the ship? for instance, and 2) if they are increasing profits (especially per share) by eliminating services and support, where those functions necessary in the first place?
To others? Who knows? Perception is reality.
This is true. That's a mantra I have, every day, in my work-life. The customer's perception matters more than reality, despite the fact that it may be ridiculously skewed and/or even blatantly wrong.
 
Some of this is not understanding what things cost and what don't.

The people wanting no video will say "We don't want to pay for video" What they don't understand is taking away video and making a niche product will likely raise prices.
Sigma sell cameras without video. Their prices are reasonable.
Adobe to a certain extent does have barriers protecting it. People today don't edit photos they photoshop them. Having a large customer base also makes it easier to roll out upgrades. It ends up being a self fulfilling steamroller. Saying anybody can enter the market is naive.

If you look at video editing there are now two free products trying to compete with Premiere. Not products put out by kids in a garage either.

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Some of this is not understanding what things cost and what don't.

The people wanting no video will say "We don't want to pay for video" What they don't understand is taking away video and making a niche product will likely raise prices.
Sigma sell cameras without video. Their prices are reasonable.
Adobe to a certain extent does have barriers protecting it. People today don't edit photos they photoshop them. Having a large customer base also makes it easier to roll out upgrades. It ends up being a self fulfilling steamroller. Saying anybody can enter the market is naive.

If you look at video editing there are now two free products trying to compete with Premiere. Not products put out by kids in a garage either.
 
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So whats the deal? Should companies in the photography business do away with profitability and classic metrics of solvency?
You are only looking at one participant of the market – the seller. You can't have a market without a buyer, and if the seller seeks to maximize the profit, the buyer is looking to minimize the expense and find a product that suits them. So it is completely logical that there is an outcry when the price goes up, or requests for something that no seller offers.

And I would like to understand why you consider buyer's input in any way inappropriate .

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I would like to see where I said buyer's input was in any way inappropriate. It appears you take any criticism of suggestions from consumers as the invalidation of all consumer input- which again I would love to see a quote of me proposing.
 
I think most people don't have a problem with companies making a profit, they just don't want them to make "too much", especially at their expense. The issue is, MOST people have NO CLUE how much it costs to run a business and they also don't seem to grasp the concept that not every product turns a profit so the perceived excessive profits on one product can help mitigate the smaller than normal profits from some products (or even losses - yes, a lot of products on the market do NOT turn a profit, especially in my industry - pharmaceuticals).

But here's the thing (that OP clearly understands but many forum users don't seem to), when you remove the motivation of profit maximization,
Profit maximization is the phrase people have a problem with. That phrase (to them) means outsourcing jobs to maximize profit. It means things here in the home country closing down and jobs disappearing.

The problem with that is that there is eventually going to be fewer people who can actually buy the product to begin with.

So obscene profit reports ring bells in people's minds. Some people feel that companies should be a little better at being community minded.
If we look at profit as a per unit thing, yes, more profit = less affordability. But business doesn't work that way. They want maximum profit on the whole, which requires factoring in volume. Perhaps Nikon could sell 1 D750 for 30 million dollars..... but it's a much less risky and more sustainable business model to sell 30K with a $500 margin.

People don't understand that manufacturers have a limit to what they can charge as well. I work for a retailer and we have a whole pricing dept with its own VP. They have pricing zones and are constantly following metrics like competitor pricing, inflation, margin and other factors. Cameras are a way higher margin item than what we sell, but many of the same basic rules still apply.
 
Define "obscene".
Obviously that means different things to different people. To some, it's when a company reduces services and support, then triples bottom line profit.
Very true, it definitely means different things to different people. We've gone through some pretty interesting financial times in the last decade, and many are still in the throws of it. It has required some unique solutions, in many cases, for companies (and individuals and families) to stay afloat. I'd argue that if a company reduces services and support and then triples the bottom line profit that 1) we should look, historically, at their performance - are they simply righting the ship? for instance, and 2) if they are increasing profits (especially per share) by eliminating services and support, where those functions necessary in the first place?
To others? Who knows? Perception is reality.
This is true. That's a mantra I have, every day, in my work-life. The customer's perception matters more than reality, despite the fact that it may be ridiculously skewed and/or even blatantly wrong.
Never been a big fan of the perception equals reality mantra, I have felt only reality equals reality but lets double back to the Epipen example. You state that the producer's income is 50% of what it was two years ago, which is a fair point, but is that fair to comsumers that the price of their potentially life saving device goes up 600% over the last decade to cover what could be defined as the producer's other bad business decisions? All while annual ceo compensation has gone from $2.5million to over $18million over the same period for that same producer, a 700% increase? All for a product that has cost about $30 to make over that period of time?

You can tell the free world the reality of the net income situation, but the producer has created horrible optics in this situation. If your company is hurtin, whether through your own bad decisions or through other market circumstances, the first thing you should consider doing is cutting ceo pay to a more reasonable level rather tha drilling parents of little kids with allergy problems. Any sane board that cares about optics would look at it that way, and in most of this case, the producer is deserving of a lot of the backlash.

Big pharm is some what unique, without big profits on the drugs that work, there is no revenue to develop new ones. And like many industries, as you state, the ones that work have to pay for the ones that don't, mine is the same way. They are also unique in that each drug has its own litlle mini monopoly while the patent is in effect, something most goods dont have. But they are a good example of the value of investing in your image so that people's perception isnt skewed in the first place. If you are asking the public to pay 700% more for your drug, one that has little competition because of the protections afforded, you had better not funnel it to the ceo if you care about your reputation.
 
Never been a big fan of the perception equals reality mantra, I have felt only reality equals reality
I agree to an extent. But when you're talking about beliefs, perception is reality. When I'm speaking with a doctor, it doesn't matter what the truth is in that moment, what matters is what the doctor believes. I couldn't begin to count the number of times I've encountered a healthcare provider who believes something which simply isn't true. But it's my job to start from a common point of understanding and correct their misunderstanding. At that point, the new understanding is reality.
but lets double back to the Epipen example. You state that the producer's income is 50% of what it was two years ago, which is a fair point, but is that fair to comsumers that the price of their potentially life saving device goes up 600% over the last decade to cover what could be defined as the producer's other bad business decisions? All while annual ceo compensation has gone from $2.5million to over $18million over the same period for that same producer, a 700% increase?
Nope. Which is why I called it despicable :-)
All for a product that has cost about $30 to make over that period of time?
The news media latches on to the concept of "what it costs to produce" drugs. They're always talking about manufacturing costs. What they don't factor in is R&D, infrastructure, actually employing people and paying for their benefits, dividends to shareholders, etc. The cost of production of a drug is minuscule compared to all of the other costs in the pharmaceutical industry - ESPECIALLY R&D. I mentioned in another post that only 30% of drugs that make it to market actually turn a profit in their patent lifetime. The INSANE cost of R&D (including drug failures) is the reason why. The last estimate I saw (2014 or 2015, in Forbes) was that it costs half a billion dollars to get one drug to market. That's BILLION, with a "B". And because drugs patents are the same as most other patents (20 years) and R&D typically eats up half of that, a drug company only has about 10 years to recoup their investment and then turn a profit. And then we're back to "what's an appropriate profit?" Is a 100% return on investment appropriate, especially for such a HUGE investment? 200%? 300%? 10%? Once a person figures out what's appropriate, then do the math. How many prescriptions per year (a very small number the first year, more the second year, and so on until the product matures) and at what cost will return that money? My company is about to launch a drug next month that I will be promoting. The TOTAL MARKET for that therapeutic class is valued at $1.5 billion and there are 6 branded products, 1 generic product, and the 3 top products (market share wise) make up about 80% of the market and have been around for 10, 70, and 20 years, respectively. My company expects that our INCOME (not profits) will be about $7 million the first year of product promotion. We have 9 more years to make up the rest of the investment and turn a profit for the product to be considered a success. That's the reality of the VAST majority of new Rx product launches. Oh, and that $7 million in income will easily be eaten up by paying for sales promotion. So that income really doesn't even start the process of covering the cost to get to FDA approval and launch.
You can tell the free world the reality of the net income situation, but the producer has created horrible optics in this situation. If your company is hurtin, whether through your own bad decisions or through other market circumstances, the first thing you should consider doing is cutting ceo pay to a more reasonable level rather tha drilling parents of little kids with allergy problems. Any sane board that cares about optics would look at it that way, and in most of this case, the producer is deserving of a lot of the backlash.
Agreed. As I mentioned, I think what Mylan did was despicable.
Big pharm is some what unique, without big profits on the drugs that work, there is no revenue to develop new ones. And like many industries, as you state, the ones that work have to pay for the ones that don't, mine is the same way. They are also unique in that each drug has its own litlle mini monopoly while the patent is in effect, something most goods dont have.
Patents work the same way in all industries. Most patents protect for 20 years from the date the patent is filed.
But they are a good example of the value of investing in your image so that people's perception isnt skewed in the first place. If you are asking the public to pay 700% more for your drug, one that has little competition because of the protections afforded, you had better not funnel it to the ceo if you care about your reputation.
Again, agreed!
 
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Bookstores have mostly disappeared because they couldn't make a profit. If they cannot make profits then they cannot pay their rent, pay their employees, or pay their suppliers. They simply must shut down.

Public libraries still exist, and often thrive, because they are funded by the government and have no need to be profitable. Their mission is to provide a service to people, and if people stop using their service (i.e. lending books) then they simply switch to some other service (community centers, internet access places, etc.) All their expenses will continue to be funded by taxpayers, since they have absolutely no need to make profits.

So the real solution might be to make Adobe Photoshop a government agency.

Of course, this way it would cost the taxpayers even more, but it would be free for the individual users. Once freed of the constraints of profit making, Adobe's payroll could soar, and they could have multiple and duplicate layers of management, all of whom have excellent salaries, pensions and other benefits.

And since most people don't use any photo editing software, this would be a wonderful deal for those who do. Even though everyone will end up paying for it.

We might even end up with a cabinet level "Secretary of Photo Editing" and a huge bloated bureaucracy.

I think it is worth considering.
 
Never been a big fan of the perception equals reality mantra, I have felt only reality equals reality
I agree to an extent. But when you're talking about beliefs, perception is reality. When I'm speaking with a doctor, it doesn't matter what the truth is in that moment, what matters is what the doctor believes. I couldn't begin to count the number of times I've encountered a healthcare provider who believes something which simply isn't true. But it's my job to start from a common point of understanding and correct their misunderstanding. At that point, the new understanding is reality.
but lets double back to the Epipen example. You state that the producer's income is 50% of what it was two years ago, which is a fair point, but is that fair to comsumers that the price of their potentially life saving device goes up 600% over the last decade to cover what could be defined as the producer's other bad business decisions? All while annual ceo compensation has gone from $2.5million to over $18million over the same period for that same producer, a 700% increase?
Nope. Which is why I called it despicable :-)
All for a product that has cost about $30 to make over that period of time?
The news media latches on to the concept of "what it costs to produce" drugs. They're always talking about manufacturing costs. What they don't factor in is R&D, infrastructure, actually employing people and paying for their benefits, dividends to shareholders, etc. The cost of production of a drug is minuscule compared to all of the other costs in the pharmaceutical industry - ESPECIALLY R&D. I mentioned in another post that only 30% of drugs that make it to market actually turn a profit in their patent lifetime. The INSANE cost of R&D (including drug failures) is the reason why. The last estimate I saw (2014 or 2015, in Forbes) was that it costs half a billion dollars to get one drug to market. That's BILLION, with a "B". And because drugs patents are the same as most other patents (20 years) and R&D typically eats up half of that, a drug company only has about 10 years to recoup their investment and then turn a profit. And then we're back to "what's an appropriate profit?" Is a 100% return on investment appropriate, especially for such a HUGE investment? 200%? 300%? 10%? Once a person figures out what's appropriate, then do the math. How many prescriptions per year (a very small number the first year, more the second year, and so on until the product matures) and at what cost will return that money? My company is about to launch a drug next month that I will be promoting. The TOTAL MARKET for that therapeutic class is valued at $1.5 billion and there are 6 branded products, 1 generic product, and the 3 top products (market share wise) make up about 80% of the market and have been around for 10, 70, and 20 years, respectively. My company expects that our INCOME (not profits) will be about $7 million the first year of product promotion. We have 9 more years to make up the rest of the investment and turn a profit for the product to be considered a success. That's the reality of the VAST majority of new Rx product launches. Oh, and that $7 million in income will easily be eaten up by paying for sales promotion. So that income really doesn't even start the process of covering the cost to get to FDA approval and launch.
You can tell the free world the reality of the net income situation, but the producer has created horrible optics in this situation. If your company is hurtin, whether through your own bad decisions or through other market circumstances, the first thing you should consider doing is cutting ceo pay to a more reasonable level rather tha drilling parents of little kids with allergy problems. Any sane board that cares about optics would look at it that way, and in most of this case, the producer is deserving of a lot of the backlash.
Agreed. As I mentioned, I think what Mylan did was despicable.
Big pharm is some what unique, without big profits on the drugs that work, there is no revenue to develop new ones. And like many industries, as you state, the ones that work have to pay for the ones that don't, mine is the same way. They are also unique in that each drug has its own litlle mini monopoly while the patent is in effect, something most goods dont have.
Patents work the same way in all industries. Most patents protect for 20 years from the date the patent is filed.
But they are a good example of the value of investing in your image so that people's perception isnt skewed in the first place. If you are asking the public to pay 700% more for your drug, one that has little competition because of the protections afforded, you had better not funnel it to the ceo if you care about your reputation.
Again, agreed!
I understand the economics of your business, and unless anyone is accusing you of profiteering, I am not sure the level of detail is necessary, although it is interesting. I actually was under the belief that to get a drug to market that is FDA approved, you needed a billion. But, we are talking about abuse (certainly a gray term) and I am guessing you guys aren't viewed that way. Couple of caveats....the patents do seem somewhat unique, as each drug is somewhat treated as a new invention. I am in publishing. I come out with a great idea for a new book (which will have to pay for my 10 bad ideas, just like you) and I publish it and go to market. It sells like gangbusters. Within 6 months I have a half dozen copycats on the market. Why? Because I can't patent my idea or subject like pharm can patent their drugs. Same is true for HDTVs, Movies, iPads, cell phones, etc. They simply are not protected the same way.

I think there is a good reason for that. Life saving drugs are seen as a product for the greater good, a benefit to society, much more than my book idea or iPad could be. And thus, are held to a slightly different standard, both in the affording of the patent and the media scrutiny of Mylan or Turing. Let's face it, if you raised the price of an iPad 700%, it would cost $5000. Nobody would buy it even if there was no competition.

In most cases, the market will eventually even things out. Abusers and profiteers will seal their own fate eventually, that's just the way a free market works. Someone just asked for an example of abuse, and the EpiPen sprang to mind. I still think it is abuse.
 
To some, this may seem like a ridiculous question. But the outrage over Adobe finding financial success in its subscription model has me wondering. Surely the folks apopleptic over the latest Adobe news must be on to something?

Similarly I regularly hear people suggest camera ideas that would surely result in failure. "Make a fully manual camera with no video. Hell, take the screen away! Just a viewfinder" "Give me an F/1.2 lens, sharp corner to corner, for $200" Etc. Again, on the face of it, ridiculous requests. But I hear them so frequently, I'm starting to wonder if I am just off base.

So whats the deal? Should companies in the photography business do away with profitability and classic metrics of solvency?
 
To some, this may seem like a ridiculous question. But the outrage over Adobe finding financial success in its subscription model has me wondering. Surely the folks apopleptic over the latest Adobe news must be on to something?

Similarly I regularly hear people suggest camera ideas that would surely result in failure. "Make a fully manual camera with no video. Hell, take the screen away! Just a viewfinder" "Give me an F/1.2 lens, sharp corner to corner, for $200" Etc. Again, on the face of it, ridiculous requests. But I hear them so frequently, I'm starting to wonder if I am just off base.

So whats the deal? Should companies in the photography business do away with profitability and classic metrics of solvency?
 
Bookstores have mostly disappeared because they couldn't make a profit. If they cannot make profits then they cannot pay their rent, pay their employees, or pay their suppliers. They simply must shut down.
A gross exaggeration. Total number of bookstores over the last decade have declined by about 15%, far from mostly disappeared. Most of that erosion is due to ebooks now taking 25% of the market, the poorly managed Borders closing, and Amazon selling used books in record quantities. While the goalposts have certainly shifted, the market has stabilized, publishers have adjusted, and Amazon is even opening new bookstores.
Public libraries still exist, and often thrive, because they are funded by the government and have no need to be profitable. Their mission is to provide a service to people, and if people stop using their service (i.e. lending books) then they simply switch to some other service (community centers, internet access places, etc.) All their expenses will continue to be funded by taxpayers, since they have absolutely no need to make profits.

So the real solution might be to make Adobe Photoshop a government agency.

Of course, this way it would cost the taxpayers even more, but it would be free for the individual users. Once freed of the constraints of profit making, Adobe's payroll could soar, and they could have multiple and duplicate layers of management, all of whom have excellent salaries, pensions and other benefits.

And since most people don't use any photo editing software, this would be a wonderful deal for those who do. Even though everyone will end up paying for it.

We might even end up with a cabinet level "Secretary of Photo Editing" and a huge bloated bureaucracy.

I think it is worth considering.

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Sigma sell cameras without video. Their prices are reasonable.
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The Sigma SD1 was originally priced at $9,600. It had no video ability and cost more than the best full frame professional cameras from Nikon or Canon. As a result virtually no one bought one when it was first released in 2012. The price was rapidly slashed to around $2,000 and it was still too high. No one bought one after an 80% price cut! Today you can buy a new one for $1,499.... and no one is buying them.

In the same year Nikon released their D800 for around one third the initial price of the SD1. If you can find a new one today it will cost you around $2,500. Used copies in good condition routinely sell for over $1,000 on ebay.



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To some, this may seem like a ridiculous question. But the outrage over Adobe finding financial success in its subscription model has me wondering. Surely the folks apopleptic over the latest Adobe news must be on to something?

Similarly I regularly hear people suggest camera ideas that would surely result in failure. "Make a fully manual camera with no video. Hell, take the screen away! Just a viewfinder" "Give me an F/1.2 lens, sharp corner to corner, for $200" Etc. Again, on the face of it, ridiculous requests. But I hear them so frequently, I'm starting to wonder if I am just off base.

So whats the deal? Should companies in the photography business do away with profitability and classic metrics of solvency?
 
Yes.

You are certainly not forced to buy non-essential stuff like photo gear.
 
I understand the economics of your business, and unless anyone is accusing you of profiteering, I am not sure the level of detail is necessary, although it is interesting. I actually was under the belief that to get a drug to market that is FDA approved, you needed a billion.
You know what... my memory is faulty, apparently. I just Google'd it and according to information published in 2014, the cost is close to $3 BILLION - according to Tufts Center for the Study of Drug Development. The problem with that stat is the organization from which it came - it's funded by pharma companies. However, most articles published by financial publications mostly supported the figure and some even said that if the figure were reduced to remove certain inflations, that the figure is still "staggering". Even if you reduce it by 50%, it's still NUTS! Heck, even my original (wrong) quote of $500 million is absurd.
But, we are talking about abuse (certainly a gray term) and I am guessing you guys aren't viewed that way. Couple of caveats....the patents do seem somewhat unique, as each drug is somewhat treated as a new invention. I am in publishing. I come out with a great idea for a new book (which will have to pay for my 10 bad ideas, just like you) and I publish it and go to market. It sells like gangbusters. Within 6 months I have a half dozen copycats on the market. Why? Because I can't patent my idea or subject like pharm can patent their drugs.
There is still overlap though. Considerable, in fact (I believe, anyway). You can't patent a sequence of words like you can patent a molecule, but a molecule patent doesn't prevent others from creating other, often INCREDIBLY similar treatment options for the same condition/disease, just like no one could copy your book, word for word - but they can publish something incredibly similar.
Same is true for HDTVs, Movies, iPads, cell phones, etc. They simply are not protected the same way.
But I do get what you're saying, I promise.
I think there is a good reason for that. Life saving drugs are seen as a product for the greater good, a benefit to society, much more than my book idea or iPad could be. And thus, are held to a slightly different standard, both in the affording of the patent and the media scrutiny of Mylan or Turing. Let's face it, if you raised the price of an iPad 700%, it would cost $5000. Nobody would buy it even if there was no competition.

In most cases, the market will eventually even things out. Abusers and profiteers will seal their own fate eventually, that's just the way a free market works. Someone just asked for an example of abuse, and the EpiPen sprang to mind. I still think it is abuse.
Still agree :-) If I worked for Mylan when they did that, I'd have immediately updated my resume and started searching for a new job.
 
To some, this may seem like a ridiculous question. But the outrage over Adobe finding financial success in its subscription model has me wondering. Surely the folks apopleptic over the latest Adobe news must be on to something?

Similarly I regularly hear people suggest camera ideas that would surely result in failure. "Make a fully manual camera with no video. Hell, take the screen away! Just a viewfinder" "Give me an F/1.2 lens, sharp corner to corner, for $200" Etc. Again, on the face of it, ridiculous requests. But I hear them so frequently, I'm starting to wonder if I am just off base.

So whats the deal? Should companies in the photography business do away with profitability and classic metrics of solvency?
 
Bookstores have mostly disappeared because they couldn't make a profit. If they cannot make profits then they cannot pay their rent, pay their employees, or pay their suppliers. They simply must shut down.
A gross exaggeration. Total number of bookstores over the last decade have declined by about 15%, far from mostly disappeared. Most of that erosion is due to ebooks now taking 25% of the market, the poorly managed Borders closing, and Amazon selling used books in record quantities. While the goalposts have certainly shifted, the market has stabilized, publishers have adjusted, and Amazon is even opening new bookstores.
I would love to see a source for your claim that bookstores have declined only 15%. Perhaps this is true where you live, but here in the USA they have disappeared at a much higher rate.

And the overall trend just doesn't bode well for their future.

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During the same period the number of public libraries has remained about the same. And I say this is because they are NOT required to make a profit. Their sole mission is to provide a public service and they are completely funded by taxpayers.

And the goalposts have "shifted for both" as they now both offer books, videos, records, ebooks etc. The prime difference seems to be that bookstores need to make profits in order to exist, and libraries don't.



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Bookstores have mostly disappeared because they couldn't make a profit. If they cannot make profits then they cannot pay their rent, pay their employees, or pay their suppliers. They simply must shut down.
A gross exaggeration. Total number of bookstores over the last decade have declined by about 15%, far from mostly disappeared. Most of that erosion is due to ebooks now taking 25% of the market, the poorly managed Borders closing, and Amazon selling used books in record quantities. While the goalposts have certainly shifted, the market has stabilized, publishers have adjusted, and Amazon is even opening new bookstores.
I would love to see a source for your claim that bookstores have declined only 15%. Perhaps this is true where you live, but here in the USA they have disappeared at a much higher rate.

And the overall trend just doesn't bode well for their future.

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During the same period the number of public libraries has remained about the same. And I say this is because they are NOT required to make a profit. Their sole mission is to provide a public service and they are completely funded by taxpayers.

And the goalposts have "shifted for both" as they now both offer books, videos, records, ebooks etc. The prime difference seems to be that bookstores need to make profits in order to exist, and libraries don't.

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Well, that really doesn't answer your claim that they have virtually disappeared at all, even a 35% decline is not even close to virtually disappearing. But, I will chalk that up to a little bit of breathlessness and we can move on.

This was the source I used:


It certainly looks less scientific than yours, but I didn't question it because I am actually in this industry actually selling to these people. The thing that strikes me is that my source lists 12,000+ bookstores at the peak, yours lists over 37,000. One of these sources seems to be dramatically wrong, or at least has a different criteria for measuring what constitutes a bookstore.

Maybe your source lists chains of stores that sell books that aren't bookstores, like Walgreen's and CVS, which often have a kiosk, or end cap, usually vendor managed, but are not considered by most to be a bookstore. That alone would account for 10,000 stores.

To your point about libraries remaining the same, sure, free doesn't care about Amazon pricing. It's not really a business model at all, as much as it is a public service. Out local libraries have cut hours pretty dramatically in the leas few years, but municipal budget cuts drive that, not demand for the facility.
 
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