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Have you upgraded from a 6D to a 5D IV?

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maiaibing said:
Pietro Marchesi said:
Is the difference in resolution, better AF and frame rate worth it? Or should I buy more lenses and keep my soon 5 year old but still very good 6D?

If I stay with my 6D I can buy a 35f/1.4L II and a 100f/2.8L Macro IS instead of a 5D IV.

I mainly shoot to document my family, my kids sports. I shoot a lot on family trips, especially on our vacations abroad. I only shoot stills.

My current gear: 6D, 16-35f/4L IS, 24-70f/2.8L II, 70-200f/4L IS. I will soon add a longer lens. Eider a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II or a 400f/5.6L for some occasional wildlife and birds.
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I have used both. 5DIV is a better camera, but you will have much more diversity of photographic options getting the two lenses. Its also a much better investment over time.

Since you do not have a fast prime the 35L II will open up for an entire new world of low light photography and also allow shallow DOF shots. Its a lens you can probably use 15 years from now with super results.

Also, the Macro lens will let you do - well macro! For some people its a whole new ballgame that opens up.

For all its bells and whistles the 5DIV will only produce marginally better shots than the 6D under certain condition. The two lenses will let you do take lots of shots with the 6D you could never get close to with the 5DIV (without adding new lenses).
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Very true, lenses keep their value over time and I love using fast lenses but on DSLRs the better they get, the bigger and heavier they are becoming too. The 35f/1.4 II is nearly as big and heavy as my 24-70f/2.8L II.

A question, why did you sell your Sigma 50f/1.4 Art?
 
I owned a 6D for three years and made the decision to upgrade to the 5D series 18 months ago - then waited for the 5D Mk4 release. I placed my order on release day, and had my new camera the following day.

The dynamic range of the 5D Mk4 far exceeds the 6D and it manifests itself beyond what you see in numeric expressions on review sites or reading technical specs. When you move a slider in Lightroom to adjust anything, a 5D Mk4 image really comes to life to a far greater extent than one taken with the 6D. If you only think of it as simply "shadow recovery" you aren't doing the gradations full-credit.

The auto-focus system is much better than the 6D. Few people buy a 6D specifically for fast-action, but if you ever use the camera for sports, you will bring home a lot more keepers with the 5D Mk4 - so much so, you will have storage issues.

I don't have any regrets upgrading from the 6D. That being said, I don't look back at the shots I took with it and think "Damn, if only I had shot this with the new camera".
 
GriffinClubMerv said:
I owned a 6D for three years and made the decision to upgrade to the 5D series 18 months ago - then waited for the 5D Mk4 release. I placed my order on release day, and had my new camera the following day.

The dynamic range of the 5D Mk4 far exceeds the 6D and it manifests itself beyond what you see in numeric expressions on review sites or reading technical specs. When you move a slider in Lightroom to adjust anything, a 5D Mk4 image really comes to life to a far greater extent than one taken with the 6D. If you only think of it as simply "shadow recovery" you aren't doing the gradations full-credit.
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Thank you! Interesting I had the impression that the differences in DR are rather small other than more than a full stop at base and low ISOs and that at higher ISOs the differences diminishes fast.
GriffinClubMerv said:
The auto-focus system is much better than the 6D. Few people buy a 6D specifically for fast-action, but if you ever use the camera for sports, you will bring home a lot more keepers with the 5D Mk4 - so much so, you will have storage issues.
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For me the 6D AF works fine for most of the time, even for some indoor kids sports and for BIF but I am sure a 5D IV would bring home a lot more keepers. I would not not mind having to buy another pair of 8TB HDDs for storage :)
GriffinClubMerv said:
I don't have any regrets upgrading from the 6D. That being said, I don't look back at the shots I took with it and think "Damn, if only I had shot this with the new camera".
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Now you have me tempted again :) How much do you really notice the increased resolution from 6D 20MP to 5D IV 30MP? Some other significant differences in IQ and handling of the 5D IV that you find improved over your 6D?
 
GriffinClubMerv said:
I owned a 6D for three years and made the decision to upgrade to the 5D series 18 months ago - then waited for the 5D Mk4 release. I placed my order on release day, and had my new camera the following day.

The dynamic range of the 5D Mk4 far exceeds the 6D and it manifests itself beyond what you see in numeric expressions on review sites or reading technical specs. When you move a slider in Lightroom to adjust anything, a 5D Mk4 image really comes to life to a far greater extent than one taken with the 6D. If you only think of it as simply "shadow recovery" you aren't doing the gradations full-credit.

The auto-focus system is much better than the 6D. Few people buy a 6D specifically for fast-action, but if you ever use the camera for sports, you will bring home a lot more keepers with the 5D Mk4 - so much so, you will have storage issues.

I don't have any regrets upgrading from the 6D. That being said, I don't look back at the shots I took with it and think "Damn, if only I had shot this with the new camera".
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I have a D600 and a 6D, my D600 is iso invariant and kills your 5DIV.

Despite the better dynamic range of the D600 in my case....the 6D is no slouch...
 
Pietro Marchesi said:
GriffinClubMerv said:
I owned a 6D for three years and made the decision to upgrade to the 5D series 18 months ago - then waited for the 5D Mk4 release. I placed my order on release day, and had my new camera the following day.

The dynamic range of the 5D Mk4 far exceeds the 6D and it manifests itself beyond what you see in numeric expressions on review sites or reading technical specs. When you move a slider in Lightroom to adjust anything, a 5D Mk4 image really comes to life to a far greater extent than one taken with the 6D. If you only think of it as simply "shadow recovery" you aren't doing the gradations full-credit.
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Thank you! Interesting I had the impression that the differences in DR are rather small other than more than a full stop at base and low ISOs and that at higher ISOs the differences diminishes fast.
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This is my point - you are reading static numbers. The real-world impact on your ability to post-process images is dramatically better.
Pietro Marchesi said:
Pietro Marchesi said:
The auto-focus system is much better than the 6D. Few people buy a 6D specifically for fast-action, but if you ever use the camera for sports, you will bring home a lot more keepers with the 5D Mk4 - so much so, you will have storage issues.
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For me the 6D AF works fine for most of the time, even for some indoor kids sports and for BIF but I am sure a 5D IV would bring home a lot more keepers. I would not not mind having to buy another pair of 8TB HDDs for storage :)
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The duel pixel autofocus is uncanny. If I took a 6D out birding now, I think I'd end up furious (though I didn't react that way when I was birding and only had the 6D).
Pietro Marchesi said:
Pietro Marchesi said:
I don't have any regrets upgrading from the 6D. That being said, I don't look back at the shots I took with it and think "Damn, if only I had shot this with the new camera".
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Now you have me tempted again :) How much do you really notice the increased resolution from 6D 20MP to 5D IV 30MP? Some other significant differences in IQ and handling of the 5D IV that you find improved over your 6D?
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30MP is... a lot of megapixels. I've stitched together some remarkable panoramas - I am sure they would have looked good had I taken them with the 6D. I know they look remarkable with the Mk4.

The touchscreen is a huge improvement and you get use to it in a hurry - with the added benefit of using the same menu arrangements that you are already familiar with from the 6D. I have been using the Sony Cybershot RX100 V5 (no touchscreen) for the past couple of weeks, and I keep tapping the screen like a fool, trying to access the menus or manipulate the images.
Pietro Marchesi said:
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I heavily thought about it, and even rented one for the weekend, along with a D750 (which was my other choice).

The 5DIV was a decent camera. IQ was very good, and everything felt like my 7DII I owned. But after much comparison with the 6D, and D750, the upgrades gained weren't worth the price. After dabbling with some other systems, I was going to get a 5DIII, but recent customer support experiences, I jumped ship to the Nikon System.

If you're not a full time pro, the 5DIV isn't worth the price IMO.
 
Pietro Marchesi said:
Is the difference in resolution, better AF and frame rate worth it? Or should I buy more lenses and keep my soon 5 year old but still very good 6D?

If I stay with my 6D I can buy a 35f/1.4L II and a 100f/2.8L Macro IS instead of a 5D IV.

I mainly shoot to document my family, my kids sports. I shoot a lot on family trips, especially on our vacations abroad. I only shoot stills.

My current gear: 6D, 16-35f/4L IS, 24-70f/2.8L II, 70-200f/4L IS. I will soon add a longer lens. Eider a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II or a 400f/5.6L for some occasional wildlife and birds.

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Best Regards
Pietro M
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While I'm sure the 5d IV is a better camera (as is the 5d iii imo) ... comes down to do you really need it?

As for what you want to buy, I'd always say go with lenses over a body for investment purposes.

If you are shooting kids sports, occasional wildlife, my upgrade recommendation would be to upgrade your 70-200 f4 to the 2.8, then get a 2x tc instead of adding the additional lenses.
 
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jjz2 said:
Pietro Marchesi said:
Is the difference in resolution, better AF and frame rate worth it? Or should I buy more lenses and keep my soon 5 year old but still very good 6D?

If I stay with my 6D I can buy a 35f/1.4L II and a 100f/2.8L Macro IS instead of a 5D IV.

I mainly shoot to document my family, my kids sports. I shoot a lot on family trips, especially on our vacations abroad. I only shoot stills.

My current gear: 6D, 16-35f/4L IS, 24-70f/2.8L II, 70-200f/4L IS. I will soon add a longer lens. Eider a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II or a 400f/5.6L for some occasional wildlife and birds.
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Pietro Marchesi said:
jjz2 said:
Pietro Marchesi said:
Is the difference in resolution, better AF and frame rate worth it? Or should I buy more lenses and keep my soon 5 year old but still very good 6D?

If I stay with my 6D I can buy a 35f/1.4L II and a 100f/2.8L Macro IS instead of a 5D IV.

I mainly shoot to document my family, my kids sports. I shoot a lot on family trips, especially on our vacations abroad. I only shoot stills.

My current gear: 6D, 16-35f/4L IS, 24-70f/2.8L II, 70-200f/4L IS. I will soon add a longer lens. Eider a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II or a 400f/5.6L for some occasional wildlife and birds.
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Everyone has their own opinion on it. I would say it depends upon what you like to shoot. I did upgrade and believe it was the best choice I have ever made. I thought the 6D was the best camera in the world (and still think it is pretty good), but the 5D IV is so, so, so much better. (you can ignore my hyperbole--it is just the mood I am in today).

But, I knew what I didn't like about the 6D and what I would like that might be different:

1) The buffer filled up to quickly especially when I was taking pictures of animals, whales, or birds in action (the 5 D MK IV is far superior here).

2) You could make the limited focus points work well on the 6D, but it was sometimes a real pain in the neck (I have been able to get the focus and composition right much quicker and more accurate with the 5 D Mk iv).

3) I was often shooting in situations where I wanted more DR (while the 5 D mk iv might not be industry leading, I am finding it much better than the 6D and I am needing it less because of the better control I get from the autofocus system).

[Those were very specific reasons why I was unsatisfied with the 6D and why I was looking for another camera given what I like to shoot. The switch was very specific to my needs.]

Other considerations: a) I liked the small size and weight of the 6D (the 5D mk iv is a little bigger and heavier but not as big and heavy as the mk iii) b) I like the almost uncanny ability of the 6D to "see in the dark" (it could focus on things in low light the Nikon ff I had used previously couldn't "see" at all; the 5d Mk iv seems just as good in this area and also seems as good at high iso as the 6D, which I thought was excellent).

Things I never knew I needed or wanted until having them: the ability to do HDR with raw in camera, and the touch-screen!!!!!

I still am just getting to know the camera, but the more I use it, the more I am amazed by it. Ultimately, the upgrade choice should depend upon whether it would significantly help you in how you take pictures. For me, it was a real upgrade and well worth the money I spent on it. It may not be for you. My recommendation would be to think about what works and doesn't work for you with the 6D. If you were not frustrated by some of the things that I found limiting, then I would say, there is no need to upgrade to the 5D mk iv, especially now that it looks like the 6d ii is coming. The rumors make it look like I would have satisfied some of my needs/wants, though given the travel opportunities I have had since I bought the 5 d mk iv, I am glad I did wait.

Cameras (and lenses) are no more than tools to accomplish something. Only you can figure out what will benefit you most at this time, but so many here have kind of pooh-poohed the 5 d mk iv as a minimal upgrade, I wanted to add that I think it has really been a big upgrade for me.
 
Pietro Marchesi said:
yodermk said:
That sounds very sane.

After you get that, keep saving up for a new body, because eventually you will want one. If you can hold off till the 5D Mark 5, that would be admirable. If not, as mentioned, a 6D2 will be out in a few months (virtually certain). I'd also expect a 5DS Mark 2 within a couple years -- that will be an amazing beast I'm sure!
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I upgraded from a 6D to 5D IV.

I am very happy for it and things that was important to me:

- In the 6D you can never turn off GPS so battery compartment always open not to drain the battery

- Touch screen

- Better ergonomics

- Auto focus when filming

- Feels sturdier in "bad" weather

- possible to upgrade to C-log in two weeks. 4K today really a pain when it comes to memory card consumption

- Two memory cards smarter - and safer

- I like the new autofocus a LOT better

Think that´s all. Photo quality for both are excellent. Miss the weight of the 6D.
 
Remember in 2012 when the 6D came out. It was a step forward for Canon in DR. 5 years later obviously things have changed and the 6D is well behind the competition as well as Canon's own 5D MKIV. I expect (hope) for a replay of 2012 when the 6D MKII will exceed (at least slightly) the DR and TR of the 5D MKIV. Given it will have 26MP rather than the 30MP the 5D MKIV will have maybe that will happen.

Times have changed and specs in the industry have advanced so to be competitive Canon will have to come out with a 6D MKII that has a competitive DR.
 
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Basil123 said:
I upgraded from a 6D to 5D IV.

I am very happy for it and things that was important to me:

- In the 6D you can never turn off GPS so battery compartment always open not to drain the battery
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Quick correction: you certainly can turn off GPS and Wifi (each independently) so there would be no need to open the battery compartment to preserve the battery.
 
Pietro Marchesi said:
Is the difference in resolution, better AF and frame rate worth it? Or should I buy more lenses and keep my soon 5 year old but still very good 6D?

If I stay with my 6D I can buy a 35f/1.4L II and a 100f/2.8L Macro IS instead of a 5D IV.

I mainly shoot to document my family, my kids sports. I shoot a lot on family trips, especially on our vacations abroad. I only shoot stills.

My current gear: 6D, 16-35f/4L IS, 24-70f/2.8L II, 70-200f/4L IS. I will soon add a longer lens. Eider a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II or a 400f/5.6L for some occasional wildlife and birds.
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Basil123 said:
I upgraded from a 6D to 5D IV.

I am very happy for it and things that was important to me:

Think that´s all. Photo quality for both are excellent. Miss the weight of the 6D.
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I leave my 6D on all the time, I only shut it off to change lenses, it take MONTHS of sitting to run the battery down, your 6D might have had a problem. And if video is THAT important you should really consider a proper dedicated video camera body (C100, etc.)
If OP upgrades to any body it should be the 6D Mk II, but the 6D can already spit out 24x30's like a boss, how often do you print that large?
 
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