Please Critque my Family Video

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I documented a recent family outing to some islands south of Singapore. Shot with A7Rii and edited in Premiere Pro.

Any comments would be appreciated!

Also, it seems that DPReview doesn't dedicate a lot subforums to Video. Are there any other site you guys recommend for video stuff?
 
+ Good and stable technical video quality. Gimbal used which shows in 3:43 in mirror.
+ 30fps is computer monitor friendly (compared to 24 fps)
- video and story didn't mean much to me outsider since I don't know the place, people and didn't pick up any story in it.
- I would have liked to hear ambient sound in addition to music. Music could have changed couple of times.
- some title texts would have been nice for outsider viewers to highlight some topics like what place, was there something special etc.
 
I documented a recent family outing to some islands south of Singapore. Shot with A7Rii and edited in Premiere Pro.

Any comments would be appreciated!
It's pretty tough to critique something that has so much personal value vs. something that geared more towards strangers. My main criticism is that many of the clips could have been trimmed shorter. Perhaps not filming up your wife's skirt near the end would've been good, too. ;-)

It was nice to watch a video that was shot with a stabilized camera, though. More scenery might've made it more interesting for me (since I don't know anyone in the video).
 
Thanks for the comments guys.

I only started recording video when my son was born, and when he started running around a month ago I bought a gimbal. The video was just a mash up of videos taken during our trip to some nearby islands, and the intended audience is myself and relatives, but I should have labeled the locations.

All my videos so far has been family videos, maybe it's time to branch out.

If sound was included, how should I balance the music and the sound?

How do you know if a clip is too long? (Experience? Feeling?)
It's strange that you noticed that. I had to make some clips longer to fill up time left in the music. Should I have just faded the music out?

My wife was wearing a "shorts skirt", but it really does seem like an upskirt, point taken.. better remove that before my camera spending money gets cut, lol.
 
Overall pretty good for a first try, most of my videos are similar to yours, family vacation. Pick a shorter song for the video (2-4 minutes). Stretching clips out to fill time is not the way to go. Generally my clips are anywhere from 1-4 (average around 2) seconds max depending on the beats of the music.
 
Just my personal taste:

any segment with your family members in it was engaging

could do without the skylines and ocean shot

loved the choice of music

very impressed with your steady shooting hand.

You could have told a better story if you had included more shots later of the several people who were introduced in the early bus ride. This short film held my interest for 5 minutes, and I would have more good things to say about it than bad.
 
Thanks for the comments guys.

I only started recording video when my son was born, and when he started running around a month ago I bought a gimbal.
You're lucky. I didn't think to get a video camera until a few mos. after my son was born and at that time, it was still tape, so I didn't use it much because I had to keep choosing between my SLR and rangefinder cameras vs video. It's so much easier these days with excellent digital cameras that can also capture gorgeous video, all in one package.
All my videos so far has been family videos, maybe it's time to branch out.
There's nothing wrong with doing family videos. Just make your videos to suit the intended audience.
If sound was included, how should I balance the music and the sound?
My family videos are mostly accompanied by music tracks. In the few clips where I want the clip's audio to come through, I'll lower the music volume and raise the the clip's audio volume. In some cases, I'll reduce the music volume completely. It really depends on how important the clips' audio is.
How do you know if a clip is too long? (Experience? Feeling?)
Pretty much. Often times, I'll only notice after about 5 or 6 viewings. I've found that the more I create/edit videos, the more brutal I'll be in trimming clips.
It's strange that you noticed that. I had to make some clips longer to fill up time left in the music. Should I have just faded the music out?
Yes, I would've faded the music out.
My wife was wearing a "shorts skirt", but it really does seem like an upskirt, point taken.. better remove that before my camera spending money gets cut, lol.
;-) Yes, I figured it was a "skort."

I'd also suggest shooting extra footage (wide angle as well as close up details) which, if needed, you can use to create more context for your video.
 
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Thanks for sharing. There's a lot to like, though I agree that shorter clips and more audio from your subjects would help.

I found this site and the accompanying book to be helpful for starting out:

 
You’ve got the technical sides down. You've got equipment that I could only dream of 13 years ago when my oldest was learning to walk. And you know how to use it.

Here are my artistic opinions with regard to family videos, for viewing by family members. Note that all of this may make the video less interesting to strangers on the internet, but more interesting to you and your family. That should be your aim. If people here say it is boring – FINE!

Consider your audience, both people and TIME. You want a video that family members will watch this month and be interested in. But I think more important – you want a video family members will watch 10, 20, 30 years from now and be interested in.

In my experience, people want to see family members and pets. The scenery & locations are always secondary. In fact, it is just as interesting to see your house as it was 10 years ago, as it is to see a beautiful nature scene or a boat trip or whatever. People will say – oh I remember when we had that sofa! Just as they will say I remember that trip, it was beautiful! Filming people in front of things or places are best.

Food & clothing and decorations and little things that people will be fascinated to see in 10 years. The cake someone made. The car someone drove. Mountains are great, I love them more than most people. But the car you drove daily for 10 years will be gone in 20. The mountains should still be here.

Also, talk. Get people to talk. I know, no one wants to. And indeed it can get boring if there is too much. Again – consider your audience. What grandma says this week may be boring. What grandma said in 2017 is fascinating in 2027. One way around this without being boring is I have recorded interviews of kids and adults every year or so. Just 10 minutes per person – sometimes I’ll setup a camera and let kids interview themselves. I haven’t edited the footage. I’ll dig it up in 10 years, and know what my 10 year olds were saying, which will be fascinating when they are 20. This reminds me – I haven’t done this in a while.

And silliness. My fondest clips are silliness. We rode a 4 person bike over a speed bump. The video quality was atrocious and shaking. I set the video to the dramatic theme music from 2001. Pure silly. But I still love it, will not give it up for anything.

With regard to music – I choose music which was memorable at the time. The music we listened too the most at that time. I’ll violate this if I am going for a certain feeling or silliness like the 2001 theme. When I was aiming for a feeling of sadness, I chose some acoustic guitar set to footage of our cat that ran away.

Thoughts on pacing:

I like to vary pacing. Fast music, talking, slow music, talking. Like a good concert that yo-yos emotions up and down and all around. Clip lengths will vary with that pacing. So I see nothing wrong with an interesting 3 minute clip if you are aiming for a calm, peaceful recollection of your son climbing in the backyard on a lazy weekend. But don’t fill up 20 minutes with that. And to repeat – for a family video, there is nothing wrong with a 3 minute clip of people talking. What comes to mind is my wife and daughter talking about her cast, what happened, add some silliness like if she can scratch her nose, etc. Or another clip which might have been 3 minutes of my daughter doing a little game where she giggled, and then tried to keep a straight face only to break out giggling again. The audience isn’t strangers on the internet. The audience is you and your family members. To me – some 3-4 minute clips are priceless.

My family videos tend to cover about 3 to 6 months of time, and be 13 to 19 minutes long. I find that works out good once the kids are old enough to talk and do interesting things. I've edited only one video for my kids when they were under 2 and that was less than 7 minutes.
 
I want to share my main home video from last year to keep the conversation going. I’m curious if anyone can bear to watch the full 19 minutes.


A few notes:

The first 55 seconds or so are the background video of the Bluray menu. In the past I spent a fair amount of effort on menus, only to never really see it again since I mostly view files on the computer (and it is even less likely that in 10 years anyone will pull out disks). I do share that way since family members aren’t computer savvy. I want people to take time, sit in front of a TV, and watch (not just click on a link in front of a small screen like everyone here is). Anyway, this year I created the menu content and then put it in the beginning of the video so it that isn’t lost. I think next time I’ll keep it to about 30 seconds.

In hind sight, I would not have included the dance itself (7:23). I struggled with that decision, think I made the wrong decision.

I think the last section from our vacation in Lake Champlain was a little too long (14:00). The fast beat song kept my attention, but I would have preferred to interrupt and quiet the song and add some talking. But I didn’t have any decent footage for that purpose. Often with family videos – it is the footage that drives what you can create. So you have to shoot enough footage with enough variety, including talking.

Overall, I wish this video had more talking & conversation. I have to always push myself to record more talking and conversation and to push people to talk in front of the camera.

I already forgot what my niece was surprised about at 18:00. I liked including that without explanation, because in 10 years, we’ll have a nice discussion about what it was. I’m curious if I have footage explaining it, that I just didn’t include (so I may be able to answer definitively by looking through footage).
 
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Yeah. I included a couple copyrighted songs, which is fair use for a family video, but not once you put it on youtube. Youtube just gave me a few clicks to remove the audio. The video may be even more boring without it, but lets see what it does. I am curious if any intercut audio from my video will remain, I doubt it.
 
Overall, I wish this video had more talking & conversation. I have to always push myself to record more talking and conversation and to push people to talk in front of the camera.
For vacation/event/camping videos, I prefer a music track and aggressive editing in ordere to make a video that is entertaining. I use very, very little dialogue.

For every day slice-of-life stuff, I just watch the clips individually. This is not a problem nowadays since we don't even use our DVD or Blu-Ray player anymore. All our viewing devices support a file manager of some sort or another. I don't know if they'd benefit from being edited into a single video. Since they are a large pile of disjointed clips, it wouldn't be something where'd I'd put time and effort into forming some kind of flow or narrative.
 
Overall, I wish this video had more talking & conversation. I have to always push myself to record more talking and conversation and to push people to talk in front of the camera.
For vacation/event/camping videos, I prefer a music track and aggressive editing in ordere to make a video that is entertaining. I use very, very little dialogue.

For every day slice-of-life stuff, I just watch the clips individually. This is not a problem nowadays since we don't even use our DVD or Blu-Ray player anymore. All our viewing devices support a file manager of some sort or another. I don't know if they'd benefit from being edited into a single video. Since they are a large pile of disjointed clips, it wouldn't be something where'd I'd put time and effort into forming some kind of flow or narrative.
Yeah, I disagree. For a couple reasons:

One is that you need to cull footage to find the interesting conversation. So once you've culled footage, putting it together is not a lot of work. I agree you should use creativity to string them in an interesting way, but actually I enjoy that part. And I'm talking about fairly long clips - 20+ seconds - not 5 seconds. So adding them together isn't that hard even if you aren't creative.

Second is that I don't like the current mentality of how most people consume media - scrolling quickly through Facebook / Instagram. That is nothing like what we can get from sitting together as a group to watch family videos on a large screen. And if you have to click on each 20 second + clip - that is much more disjointed than even an uncreatively edited 15 minute video.

And to be clear - I dont mean conversation like what did you do today. I mean something funny that include people talking.

For the first few years that I made home videos, I progressed to being more and more aggressive in my editing. Recently I've been purposefully slowing down my editing. Actually it was my sister who pointed out a few years ago that she wanted to see more conversation, and I agreed with her.

To each their own though - there is no wrong answer, do what you and your audience like best.
 
One is that you need to cull footage to find the interesting conversation.
For me that's not much of a problem because the clips that I've got are already focused on the money shot (perhaps not the best use of that term!). In other words, they don't have much in the way of junk content in them.
So once you've culled footage, putting it together is not a lot of work.
Yeah, throwing them onto a timeline isn't an issue.
I agree you should use creativity to string them in an interesting way, but actually I enjoy that part. And I'm talking about fairly long clips - 20+ seconds - not 5 seconds. So adding them together isn't that hard even if you aren't creative.
My dislike is going through a long video to find a particular clip when I can just look at a list of individual clips in my file manager.
That is nothing like what we can get from sitting together as a group to watch family videos on a large screen. And if you have to click on each 20 second + clip - that is much more disjointed than even an uncreatively edited 15 minute video.
This definitely comes down to not only the audience but the usage. We don't sit down as a group to look at past video clips. I'm generally the one who looks through them either on one of my devices or via my Smugmug account where they're listed with my photos. When my wife wants to see one, she asks me to find it for her and send her the link or show it to her on one of our devices.

If you're going to make it a group viewing, then yeah, I can definitely see the value of a compilation video.
For the first few years that I made home videos, I progressed to being more and more aggressive in my editing. Recently I've been purposefully slowing down my editing. Actually it was my sister who pointed out a few years ago that she wanted to see more conversation, and I agreed with her.
My sister thinks I'm nuts just putting together a 10 min. video of our vacation. Meanwhile, I sneer at her poorly curated (ok, she does NO editing whatsoever) collection of iPhone photos from her vacations, which we have to watch on her iPhone.

;-)
To each their own though - there is no wrong answer, do what you and your audience like best.
Totally agree.
 
I want to share my main home video from last year to keep the conversation going. I’m curious if anyone can bear to watch the full 19 minutes.

I found the opening schtick to be something I'd fast-forward through but aside from that, most of everything else is what I'd ok with watching.
In hind sight, I would not have included the dance itself (7:23). I struggled with that decision, think I made the wrong decision.
Yes, I would keep that as a separate video.

It seems weird to critique someone's family video since it's an entirely subjective viewpoint and, as the critic, I don't know the audience.
 
Also, it seems that DPReview doesn't dedicate a lot subforums to Video. Are there any other site you guys recommend for video stuff?
I visit dvxuser.com forum. It is more focused on professionals with larger budgets than I have than amateurs / enthusiasts. And it is pretty technical. There don't seem to be many family video type folks there, unless they are lurking like me.
 

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