New restriction on carry on items...

alcelc · Mar 21, 2017

including camera on certain airlines passing through/from certain airports fly to US and UK. Would EU follows?

If so, would be a nightmare to me.

Due to my bad experience on check in luggage delay, and under the shadow of airport luggage thieving (touch wood, not happen to me yet), I carry all of my valuables and items that can't/meaningless to buy in my destination countries (camera, camera batteries etc) with me. For other items only fit for check in, like clothing, toiletry items etc I would spread them evenly across the 2 luggage cases of mine and my wife. In case if any 1 of these luggages would be delayed/missed, we still have half of our items for the entire journey.

I'm heading to Bucharest through Istanbul by Turkish Airline shortly. If EU would follow UK/USA's action, I can only pray for my luck (no luggage delay, nothing missed, nothing be stolen, nothing would be broken...) otherwise would ruin my trip.

If you would be affected by the new restriction, what will you do?

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Albert

hindesite · Mar 21, 2017

AFAIK this only applies, at the moment, to flights from certain Muslim-majority countries flying direct to the US/UK.

It appears to affect a number of specific airlines (for example Qatar, Etihad, Emirates, Royal Jordainan Airlines) and there are alternative ways to fly these routes.

It has been suggested that this is a retaliatory move against airlines that are subsidised by their governments and won't affect other airlines at all. Or maybe it is a plot by Samsung and Apple to force people to leave their m4/3* gear at home and instead take up phone photography?

I did not know it would affect cameras, but that doesn't surprise me.

*did you like the way I made this thread on topic for this forum, because otherwise, it shouldn't really be here

kaphinga · Mar 21, 2017

alcelc said:
including camera on certain airlines passing through/from certain airports fly to US and UK. Would EU follows?

If so, would be a nightmare to me.

Me too.

alcelc said:
I'm heading to Bucharest through Istanbul by Turkish Airline shortly. If EU would follow UK/USA's action, I can only pray for my luck (no luggage delay, nothing missed, nothing be stolen, nothing would be broken...) otherwise would ruin my trip.

If you would be affected by the new restriction, what will you do?

I flew Turkish Airlines to Venice a few weeks ago --- with a laptop, a big iPad, a Kindle, two M4/3 bodies, and a slew of lenses. I keep asking myself what I would do if this ruling had come down while I was in Venice. Ouch!

If electronic devices are really a threat, they should ban them for *all* airlines and airports. Now, all terrorists have to do is to switch to another airline. What kind of protection is that? (Don't get me started on this .... arrrgghhh)

addlightness · Mar 21, 2017

kaphinga said:
alcelc said:

including camera on certain airlines passing through/from certain airports fly to US and UK. Would EU follows?

If so, would be a nightmare to me.

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Me too.

kaphinga said:

I'm heading to Bucharest through Istanbul by Turkish Airline shortly. If EU would follow UK/USA's action, I can only pray for my luck (no luggage delay, nothing missed, nothing be stolen, nothing would be broken...) otherwise would ruin my trip.

If you would be affected by the new restriction, what will you do?

Click to expand...

I flew Turkish Airlines to Venice a few weeks ago --- with a laptop, a big iPad, a Kindle, two M4/3 bodies, and a slew of lenses. I keep asking myself what I would do if this ruling had come down while I was in Venice. Ouch!

If electronic devices are really a threat, they should ban them for *all* airlines and airports. Now, all terrorists have to do is to switch to another airline. What kind of protection is that? (Don't get me started on this .... arrrgghhh)

As reported by some media, this is not because of increased terrorists' threat and more of a retaliation against countries whose airlines are subsidized by their government*

All one has to do is not fly from those countries but make a stopover in a country that is not in the list (which the affected airlines have no flights out)

* see hindesite post

kaphinga · Mar 21, 2017

addlightness said:
As reported by some media, this is not because of increased terrorists' threat and more of a retaliation against countries whose airlines are subsidized by their government*

Yeah, I read the article in the Washington Post this morning. As I said earlier, don't get me started ....

It's such a shame. Turkish is my favorite airline, and my layover in Istanbul a few weeks ago was just icing on the cake. And security is tight --- really tight -- in Ataturk Airport.

I guess I won't be taking any more pictures like this anytime soon.

Blue Mosque - Istanbul

User9180204109 · Mar 21, 2017

The ban affects any flights originating from or transiting through selected (at present) Middle East/North African airports, which will affect many travel routes to the US/UK, including from Australia (QANTAS flies via Dubai) and while you could pack your cameras in checked baggage (since you can't now bring them as carry on), you can't include any batteries (they have been banned from checked baggage for some time), so unless you can buy new batteries on arrival, your cameras will be rather pointless (assuming they arrive intact, or at all -baggage theft anyone?).

So, this is very much a photography related thread, since it now effectively prevents photographers travelling to the US/UK from many places (assuming they want to take photos with cameras on arrival). All that remains is use of smart phones (until they, too, are banned as potentially hazardous).

User9180204109 · Mar 21, 2017

Slight correction to a previous post: It appears for at least some airlines it may be allowed, subject to airline approval (i.e. not automatic if >100 Wh capacity) to carry a device such as a camera in checked baggage with a battery in the camera (up to 160 Wh) providing the battery does not exceed a certain capacity (160 Wh), but spare batteries are definitely still banned.

hindesite · Mar 21, 2017

kaphinga said:
alcelc said:

including camera on certain airlines passing through/from certain airports fly to US and UK. Would EU follows?

If so, would be a nightmare to me.

Click to expand...

Me too.

kaphinga said:

I'm heading to Bucharest through Istanbul by Turkish Airline shortly. If EU would follow UK/USA's action, I can only pray for my luck (no luggage delay, nothing missed, nothing be stolen, nothing would be broken...) otherwise would ruin my trip.

If you would be affected by the new restriction, what will you do?

Click to expand...

I flew Turkish Airlines to Venice a few weeks ago --- with a laptop, a big iPad, a Kindle, two M4/3 bodies, and a slew of lenses. I keep asking myself what I would do if this ruling had come down while I was in Venice. Ouch!

kaphinga said:
If electronic devices are really a threat, they should ban them for *all* airlines and airports. Now, all terrorists have to do is to switch to another airline.

Yeah, they could just get on at another origin outside of the ban; or hey, they could just check the items. This is unbelievably stupid.

Who do we thank for this?

hindesite · Mar 21, 2017

User9180204109 said:
The ban affects any flights originating from or transiting through selected (at present) Middle East/North African airports, which will affect many travel routes to the US/UK, including from Australia (QANTAS flies via Dubai) and while you could pack your cameras in checked baggage (since you can't now bring them as carry on), you can't include any batteries (they have been banned from checked baggage for some time), so unless you can buy new batteries on arrival, your cameras will be rather pointless (assuming they arrive intact, or at all -baggage theft anyone?).

So, this is very much a photography related thread, since it now effectively prevents photographers travelling to the US/UK from many places (assuming they want to take photos with cameras on arrival). All that remains is use of smart phones (until they, too, are banned as potentially hazardous).

No, you forgot something. There is always film.

hindesite · Mar 21, 2017

addlightness said:
kaphinga said:

alcelc said:

including camera on certain airlines passing through/from certain airports fly to US and UK. Would EU follows?

If so, would be a nightmare to me.

Click to expand...

Me too.

addlightness said:

I'm heading to Bucharest through Istanbul by Turkish Airline shortly. If EU would follow UK/USA's action, I can only pray for my luck (no luggage delay, nothing missed, nothing be stolen, nothing would be broken...) otherwise would ruin my trip.

If you would be affected by the new restriction, what will you do?

Click to expand...

I flew Turkish Airlines to Venice a few weeks ago --- with a laptop, a big iPad, a Kindle, two M4/3 bodies, and a slew of lenses. I keep asking myself what I would do if this ruling had come down while I was in Venice. Ouch!

If electronic devices are really a threat, they should ban them for *all* airlines and airports. Now, all terrorists have to do is to switch to another airline. What kind of protection is that? (Don't get me started on this .... arrrgghhh)

Click to expand...

As reported by some media, this is not because of increased terrorists' threat and more of a retaliation against countries whose airlines are subsidized by their government*

All one has to do is not fly from those countries but make a stopover in a country that is not in the list (which the affected airlines have no flights out)

* see hindesite post

Yeah, come down here to NZ on your way home. We'll be happy to see you.

Kung Pao Panda · Mar 21, 2017

hindesite said:
kaphinga said:

alcelc said:

including camera on certain airlines passing through/from certain airports fly to US and UK. Would EU follows?

If so, would be a nightmare to me.

Click to expand...

Me too.

hindesite said:

I'm heading to Bucharest through Istanbul by Turkish Airline shortly. If EU would follow UK/USA's action, I can only pray for my luck (no luggage delay, nothing missed, nothing be stolen, nothing would be broken...) otherwise would ruin my trip.

If you would be affected by the new restriction, what will you do?

Click to expand...

I flew Turkish Airlines to Venice a few weeks ago --- with a laptop, a big iPad, a Kindle, two M4/3 bodies, and a slew of lenses. I keep asking myself what I would do if this ruling had come down while I was in Venice. Ouch!

If electronic devices are really a threat, they should ban them for *all* airlines and airports. Now, all terrorists have to do is to switch to another airline.

Click to expand...

Yeah, they could just get on at another origin outside of the ban; or hey, they could just check the items. This is unbelievably stupid.

Who do we thank for this?

--
http://hindesite.co.nz

The brits? Or Muslim terrorists?

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Like others here, I suffer from chronic GAS.
Gear Acquisition Syndrome.
17° 52' 0" S / 149° 56' 0" W

User9180204109 · Mar 21, 2017

Are you seriously suggesting a film camera (yes I still have mine, sans film) is an equivalent replacement for a modern digital camera, especially the higher end models in MFT, APSC, FF & MF?

Equally, do you really think you could argue with airport security that your camera "is a film camera, honest officer, not an electronic device and not covered by the ban, hey, take your hands off me, what have I done wrong officer, where are you taking me?'

Don't misunderstand me please; film cameras were great in their day and, I think, better than digital in the early years of that format, but have been eclipsed by modern digital cameras. The one thing in their favour is that they don't require a battery to take pictures (unless you used a motor drive or autofocus). They often used a button battery to power the light meter, but that lasted ages and you could manage without it. Arguably many of us had skills then that we may no longer need (or still possess, perhaps).

Colin K. Work · Mar 22, 2017

alcelc said:
including camera on certain airlines passing through/from certain airports fly to US and UK. Would EU follows?

If so, would be a nightmare to me.

Due to my bad experience on check in luggage delay, and under the shadow of airport luggage thieving (touch wood, not happen to me yet), I carry all of my valuables and items that can't/meaningless to buy in my destination countries (camera, camera batteries etc) with me. For other items only fit for check in, like clothing, toiletry items etc I would spread them evenly across the 2 luggage cases of mine and my wife. In case if any 1 of these luggages would be delayed/missed, we still have half of our items for the entire journey.

I'm heading to Bucharest through Istanbul by Turkish Airline shortly. If EU would follow UK/USA's action, I can only pray for my luck (no luggage delay, nothing missed, nothing be stolen, nothing would be broken...) otherwise would ruin my trip.

If you would be affected by the new restriction, what will you do?

Colin K. Work · Mar 22, 2017

One thing you can do, if you have a hotel or other accommodation sorted in advance is FedEx (or similar) your equipment to your destination. It will have better cover if things go wrong (and easier to sort out) than if the airline screws up.

SpiralTower · Mar 22, 2017

Besides all that, I like to take shots from the window if the conditions are right. Got some nice shots of Tenerife and Gran Canaria fro the air ...

Regards

Colin K. Work · Mar 22, 2017

Sorry for dragging this out, but just to get it off my chest ...

Security is an issue. No question. Its the hypocrisy that drives me mad - I can have all my electronics confiscated, get body scanned etc. etc. and then walk in to the duty free and buy a glass bottle full of flammable liquid. Seems to me that would be a good enough weapon for a determined terrorist.

Okapi001 · Mar 22, 2017

The irony is for the safety reasons it should be just the opposite - no potentially dangerous devices in the checked luggage. You can check the device in a carry-on luggage more thoroughly, individually and with a special detector for explosives, if necessary.

More than 20 years ago you usually had to turn on the laptop at the security check (to prove that the battery is actually a battery, not a brick of C4). I once came with a dead battery and had to go to a special room where they used some chemical detector on my laptop.

sakisflat · Mar 22, 2017

hindesite said:
Or maybe it is a plot by Samsung and Apple to force people to leave their m4/3* gear at home and instead take up phone photography?

http://hindesite.co.nz

hahahahahahah that was good!

SpiralTower · Mar 22, 2017

Colin K. Work said:
and then walk in to the duty free and buy a glass bottle full of flammable liquid. Seems to me that would be a good enough weapon for a determined terrorist.

And not just one bottle. You could buy a whole bag of them, no (maybe in different shops)?

Maria_H · Mar 22, 2017

Part of my enjoyment of travel is to take photographs, which then extend and enhance my enjoyment of the holiday when I return home. It is already a pain to have to weigh and limit what you can take on some airlines with restrictive cabin bag limits. My hubby has a full frame DSLR and we can guarantee that about 3 out of 4 times, airport security insist he takes it out of the bag, where it is examined and sometimes swabbed. It occasionally happens with my micro 4/3 kit too but less often.

While I understand the need for security, I don't understand why it is safer to have these items (if tampered with) in the hold than the cabin - generally cabin bags are subject to more thorough checks. I thought items like lithium batteries couldn't be carried in the hold anyway. I certainly wouldn't want my expensive camera or laptop to be carried in the hold (and my hubby would refuse point blank) - I've heard too many stories of items stolen, not to mention broken.

I don't have any plans to visit any of the affected countries and will avoid going to or through them in future. I'm just hoping this doesn't spread and become the norm - that would be the time I give up air travel!

Maria

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