Best dynamic range techniques and tips for the D810

I think Mike has the right idea, it's just that I disagree with some of his "findings".

1- I have spent enormous amounts of hours testing raw converters. Speed and tools available are a huge part of what I do. ACR has almost unlimited potential with literally over a hundred adjustment tools. It takes many, many tens of hours to learn what they all do. I am still learning, even though I taught PS for 3 years at the local college and was a beta tester. It is huge. Have I tried and tested all the converters? No way. However I have tried and tested Nikon's poor attempt as well as major players such as Capture One, ACR, and others. To this day I believe ACR is the fastest and most complete. To be fair, however, there is not enough time to check all aspects of every major converter. There is time, however, to run speed checks - which I have done.

2- Mike knows more about lenses than I will ever know. I use research for his suggestions often. And then I test my particular sample, both near and far.

3- Any major heavy duty tripod will suffice. I use the Induro carbon fiber models. Why? They are less expensive. As for ball heads I agree. I have two from Kirk. And they are expensive.

4- I use Photoshop CC 2017 exclusively - daily - and I am still learning even though I started 21 years ago and taught it at the college level. As for Lightroom, I am pretty much a novice as I find Bridge adequate for my needs. And do nothing without a properly calibrated monitor. I use a NEC PA272w. Eizo is great but expensive.

5- I have a Nikon D810, Nikon D7200 (wife's), and D5300 because I need the movable LCD to get those low angle shots. I can get down, I just can't get back up :) I also have some reasonably good glass - at least good enough for my needs.

6- Sharpening. Many ways to skin a cat! I usually use sharpening in 3 phases. Initial gentle sharpening. Local more aggressive sharpening. Sharpening for web or print size. Sharpening an image is an art and requires many hours of practice. Many hours!

In short, Mike is correct. It takes many small parts to make a successful whole. Still learning!

Oh yeah, then there is the art part. This is a biggie and really can't be taught without many, many, attempts - and failures.

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Immensely helpful input. What is your opinion on pano and stitching versus an excellent FF lens?
You asked Mike, but the pano will have a massive amount more res to go with sharp corners and sides. If the resolution or field of view is insufficient for a single frame D810 shot, stitching is the only way to add more pixels without major distortion. I can recommend the entire line of new Nikon 1.8 Gs as well as the usual suspects, Sigma Arts, Milvus, etc. I can also recommend the 50 1.8 D under most conditions :^)

I do agree with Mike that top shelf lenses can help.

Lightroom does an excellent job of stitching such that Autopano Pro, PTGui (which I own) etc are mostly not needed.
 
Agreed! CC 2017 also does a great job with stitching
Immensely helpful input. What is your opinion on pano and stitching versus an excellent FF lens?
You asked Mike, but the pano will have a massive amount more res to go with sharp corners and sides. If the resolution or field of view is insufficient for a single frame D810 shot, stitching is the only way to add more pixels without major distortion. I can recommend the entire line of new Nikon 1.8 Gs as well as the usual suspects, Sigma Arts, Milvus, etc. I can also recommend the 50 1.8 D under most conditions :^)

I do agree with Mike that top shelf lenses can help.

Lightroom does an excellent job of stitching such that Autopano Pro, PTGui (which I own) etc are mostly not needed.
 
I disagree with most of this and don't have time to go down the list, but categorizing ACR as inferior to C1 or CNX2 (!) in any way is just wrong, in my opinion. Lightroom/ACR still has the best handling of highlights and shadows, slightly superior to C1. CNX2 is not even in the ballpark, being laden as well with crunchy artifacts which are not amenable to any combination of high pass or USM. Fine detail minus the ringing and haloing is an ACR strong suit, as well as correct color, which is definitely not Photo Ninja's.

One can also get everything of which the D810 is capable handheld if correct shutter speed is combined with a firm grip.
Wow. So we are pretty much wasting our time with the whole good lens, solid support, low ISO, sharpening, EFC, MuP, lighting, technique post processing thing.

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I disagree with most of this and don't have time to go down the list, but categorizing ACR as inferior to C1 or CNX2 (!) in any way is just wrong, in my opinion. Lightroom/ACR still has the best handling of highlights and shadows, slightly superior to C1. CNX2 is not even in the ballpark, being laden as well with crunchy artifacts which are not amenable to any combination of high pass or USM. Fine detail minus the ringing and haloing is an ACR strong suit, as well as correct color, which is definitely not Photo Ninja's.

One can also get everything of which the D810 is capable handheld if correct shutter speed is combined with a firm grip.
Wow. So we are pretty much wasting our time with the whole good lens, solid support, low ISO, sharpening, EFC, MuP, lighting, technique post processing thing. Just as well you put us right before we waste any more time and money.
 
I read his post differently. I didn't see that he placed vastly more weight on DR versus color fidelity, or the things that medium format images are known for that he mentioned. I also have read the OP's writings a lot (he's a good guy and knows what he's doing), so I get the feeling he's just trying to take the image quality up to another level - and that means more than just focusing on dynamic range.

Just my take on it anyway...

-m
 
I disagree with most of this and don't have time to go down the list, but categorizing ACR as inferior to C1 or CNX2 (!) in any way is just wrong, in my opinion. Lightroom/ACR still has the best handling of highlights and shadows, slightly superior to C1. CNX2 is not even in the ballpark, being laden as well with crunchy artifacts which are not amenable to any combination of high pass or USM. Fine detail minus the ringing and haloing is an ACR strong suit, as well as correct color, which is definitely not Photo Ninja's.

One can also get everything of which the D810 is capable handheld if correct shutter speed is combined with a firm grip.
Wow. So we are pretty much wasting our time with the whole good lens, solid support, low ISO, sharpening, EFC, MuP, lighting, technique post processing thing.
The ten pound tripod requirement is thoroughly debunked. Handholding works fine if there's enough light. A "cheap Chinese knockoff" ballhead on a tall aluminum tripod works just fine, as DPR's shootout attested, just like the Chinese-made 105 1.4. IMO, the OP does not need to invest 3-10K in lenses and accessories to get a sharp image from a D810. Wow, indeed.

Nice to play with, though :^)
 
I disagree with most of this and don't have time to go down the list, but categorizing ACR as inferior to C1 or CNX2 (!) in any way is just wrong, in my opinion. Lightroom/ACR still has the best handling of highlights and shadows, slightly superior to C1. CNX2 is not even in the ballpark, being laden as well with crunchy artifacts which are not amenable to any combination of high pass or USM. Fine detail minus the ringing and haloing is an ACR strong suit, as well as correct color, which is definitely not Photo Ninja's.

One can also get everything of which the D810 is capable handheld if correct shutter speed is combined with a firm grip.
Wow. So we are pretty much wasting our time with the whole good lens, solid support, low ISO, sharpening, EFC, MuP, lighting, technique post processing thing.
The ten pound tripod requirement is thoroughly debunked. Handholding works fine if there's enough light. A "cheap Chinese knockoff" ballhead on a tall aluminum tripod works just fine, as DPR's shootout attested, just like the Chinese-made 105 1.4. IMO, the OP does not need to invest 3-10K in lenses and accessories to get a sharp image from a D810. Wow, indeed.

Nice to play with, though :^)
Fair enough, I actually agree that you don't have to pay RRS money to get good support. Sirui make beautiful stuff. Not super cheap but certainly cheaper than RRS and no less well finished or engineered. However I am not sure the 105mm f1.4 could be classified as low-end, even though it is made in China!
 
I read his post differently. I didn't see that he placed vastly more weight on DR versus color fidelity, or the things that medium format images are known for that he mentioned. I also have read the OP's writings a lot (he's a good guy and knows what he's doing), so I get the feeling he's just trying to take the image quality up to another level - and that means more than just focusing on dynamic range.

Just my take on it anyway...

-m
Dynamic range was the first thing he mentioned, so I naturally assumed that it was first on his list. The three things he mentioned are related to exposure, post-processing and similar skills, not gear like tripods. I'm at a disadvantage when it comes to assuming his unwritten intentions, since I do not recall his other posts ( and my mind-reading skills are admittedly rusty...)

At any rate, it don't think that I have anything else to add to this thread.
 
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I disagree with most of this and don't have time to go down the list, but categorizing ACR as inferior to C1 or CNX2 (!) in any way is just wrong, in my opinion. Lightroom/ACR still has the best handling of highlights and shadows, slightly superior to C1. CNX2 is not even in the ballpark, being laden as well with crunchy artifacts which are not amenable to any combination of high pass or USM. Fine detail minus the ringing and haloing is an ACR strong suit, as well as correct color, which is definitely not Photo Ninja's.

One can also get everything of which the D810 is capable handheld if correct shutter speed is combined with a firm grip.
Wow. So we are pretty much wasting our time with the whole good lens, solid support, low ISO, sharpening, EFC, MuP, lighting, technique post processing thing.
 
As there has been discussion of my original intent, I will just reiterate my original post.
BTW all the side discussions around the topic and it's fringes has been useful, so no need for anyone to apologize. I think when we respond in a forum like this (where people are generally great about sharing their secrets, techniques and experience) we all bring our own biases. That's fine by me, dialog and discussion is healthy.

AnotherMike has been instrumental in my own move to Zeiss lenses a while ago, after he explained why these lenses would move the quality bar up for the photography I do. Many others here have been very helpful also. So don't beat yourselves up for getting off topic ... it's part of being in a forum.

Anyway, now I am meandering off topic.

My original post included

"I shoot a lot of landscape on my D810. I am always looking for more dynamic range, color fidelity, smooth gradual transitions. Basically the sort of output I might expect from medium format.

I don't like the output of "HDR" except for special subject treatment, so am looking for ways to get the very best out of the D810.

I currently have a good range of Zeiss lenses and the 24-35 Sigma Art and am wondering if there are any tips that might help in this process."


As far as I am concerned any input that helps move the bar along those path to the bolded sentence is helpful for this thread.
 
I disagree with most of this and don't have time to go down the list, but categorizing ACR as inferior to C1 or CNX2 (!) in any way is just wrong, in my opinion. Lightroom/ACR still has the best handling of highlights and shadows, slightly superior to C1. CNX2 is not even in the ballpark, being laden as well with crunchy artifacts which are not amenable to any combination of high pass or USM. Fine detail minus the ringing and haloing is an ACR strong suit, as well as correct color, which is definitely not Photo Ninja's.

One can also get everything of which the D810 is capable handheld if correct shutter speed is combined with a firm grip.
Wow. So we are pretty much wasting our time with the whole good lens, solid support, low ISO, sharpening, EFC, MuP, lighting, technique post processing thing.
 
I disagree with most of this and don't have time to go down the list, but categorizing ACR as inferior to C1 or CNX2 (!) in any way is just wrong, in my opinion. Lightroom/ACR still has the best handling of highlights and shadows, slightly superior to C1. CNX2 is not even in the ballpark, being laden as well with crunchy artifacts which are not amenable to any combination of high pass or USM. Fine detail minus the ringing and haloing is an ACR strong suit, as well as correct color, which is definitely not Photo Ninja's.

One can also get everything of which the D810 is capable handheld if correct shutter speed is combined with a firm grip.
Wow. So we are pretty much wasting our time with the whole good lens, solid support, low ISO, sharpening, EFC, MuP, lighting, technique post processing thing.
 
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