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Which camera would you choose, 80D or M5?
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80D vs. M5
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CPFan
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80D. For one thing, don't want to pay $200Cdn for the M adapter to use my existing EF & EF-S lenses.
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Yes. ADD. Canon has not made much of an investment in EF-M lenses. Very few to begin with. Even fewer that are fast. And none faster than f/2.
gameguru1360
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also battery life is really good on the 80d compared to mirrorless cameras. The m5 has that weird way of rotating the flip screen. Wish it would rotate 180 degrees upwards like other mirrorless cameras
For fast action... 80D. For mostly still subjects M5 as a back up.
davel33
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For anyone to give you a good answer you need to tell us what you shoot, what your exp level is, you know some info about you. I dont see how anyone that does not have the M5 or the 80D can answer your question as it is stated.
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80D is the better choice, I think, because the camera doesn't matter if you can't get the best lenses for it. The M lens lineup is getting better, but Canon's emphasis is on the EF line with the EF-S getting an occasional goodie and the M lines getting the bare minimum to make it competitive. Canon is as interested in selling lenses as they are in selling the bodies.
Long story short, if you eventually are going to end up putting EF/EF-S lenses on the M5, you've already lost most of the mobility advantage you gain by buying the M5.
You also have Canon limiting features so that the M5 doesn't hurt 80D sales too badly. And, the 80D has a longer battery life and a headphone jack plus slightly better video bitrate.
Long story short, if you eventually are going to end up putting EF/EF-S lenses on the M5, you've already lost most of the mobility advantage you gain by buying the M5.
You also have Canon limiting features so that the M5 doesn't hurt 80D sales too badly. And, the 80D has a longer battery life and a headphone jack plus slightly better video bitrate.
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Exactly like their APS-C lens lineup, which still has a grand total of 1 non-macro prime lens. The rest is slow plastic zooms. This is all they have to show after 14 years of producing APS-C cameras, which probably lead full frame sales by 9:1 (Nikon's do).
I guess we're all supposed to buy $600 full frame primes, and wish we had a 5D/6D to put them on..
For travel, stealth, and as an every-day-carry camera, it would be M5 all the way. One of the reasons I switched to mirrorless was because I was realizing that I wasn't taking my DSLR out with me as often as I should, due to size and weight. But at the time, Canon wasn't on the mirrorless radar, so I had to go elsewhere. I did get an EOS M, but that was a pretty weak camera. The M5 is the first mirrorless camera that I think is a truly viable candidate from Canon. Long story short, mirrorless has basically allowed me to carry an APS-C ILC camera with me practically every single day, and I hardly even notice that it's with me. (My EDC and travel camera is an A6000). The M5 is significantly lighter, more compact, and portable than the 80D.
The M5 also has face-detection tracking AF, which I've found to be a *huge* benefit of mirrorless, which is absent from most DSLRs. I love being able to lock onto a face, and keep it in focus wherever it goes in the frame. The 80D doesn't have that capability. It's really changed how I shoot now, compared to back when I was using a DSLR. No more constant focus-recompose like I used to do. Just lock onto a face, then you can concentrate on composition, exposure, and timing. Excellent for people photography.
If, on the other hand, you are a sports shooter who spends large amounts of time sitting on the sidelines with your eye looking through the viewfinder, and you want to shoot 900+ shots without a battery change, and all you did was carry the camera from your car to the playing field where you're going to sit all day, go for an 80D. But for travel, street, candid, go-anywhere shooting, I find the smaller/lighter form factor of mirrorless to be better for me.
I don't think it's a binary choice between pocketability vs non-pocketability. In other words, the lack of pocketability for the M5 does not negate the benefits of its size and weight. I have an A6000, which is not pocketable, but having traveled with it extensively I can certainly tell you that its smaller size and weight have been of significant benefit to me. ITs lighter weight and smaller size also means that it is a camera that I always have in my messenger bag with me, which would not happen with an 80D! When hanging from your shoulder, it feels significantly lighter, unobtrusive, and much more comfortable than having a big, thick, bulky DSLR. In your bag, it takes up a lot less room, leaving more room to pack other things. Plus it offers other advantages over a DSLR such as real-time exposure preview, face detection AF tracking, the ability to shoot video while having your eye to the viewfinder, etc.
Anyways, my point is that pocketability (or lack thereof) should not be a determining factor for dismissing the M5.
Sorry, but AI Servo doesn't work nearly as well as face detection AF. Keep in mind, I've been a lifelong SLR/DSLR user. And I still own all my Canon DSLR gear. Face detection AF is definitely an advancement and evolution over AI Servo. But as I mentioned, face detection is only one component and one advantage. There are plenty of others too.
Mind you, I'm definitely not anti-DSLR. There are certainly areas where DSLRs still have their advantages, such as very high volume shooting or other situations where you need extensive, un-interrupted shooting where you can't spare a single moment for a battery change. If you're that kind of shooter, definitely get a DSLR.
But if you're not that kind of shooter, I think it's a benefit to shed all that excess DSLR weight and size, and take advantage of some of the newer technology that mirrorless cameras offer.
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How well does it work while using the viewfinder? Hahaha
That's the beauty of mirrorless and the M5: you get that great face detection AF while using the viewfinder.
... in all possible circumstances?How well does it work while using the viewfinder? Hahaha
That's the beauty of mirrorless and the M5: you get that great face detection AF while using the viewfinder.
I seriously doubt.
Well, first of all, just because a particular feature isn't useful or usable "in all possible circumstances" does not negate its usefulness. For example, mirror lock up on a DSLR is not usable or useful "in all possible circumstances", but that doesn't mean it isn't a useful feature.... in all possible circumstances?How well does it work while using the viewfinder? Hahaha
That's the beauty of mirrorless and the M5: you get that great face detection AF while using the viewfinder.
I seriously doubt.
Secondly, an M5 with face detection that can be used most of the time (but not "in all possible circumstances) is still better than having a camera that doesn't have face detection through the viewfinder AT ALL!
The face detection on my A6000 works great! I love it! Who cares if I can't use it "in all possible circumstances"? It's sure a lot better than not having it at all. Having part of something is better than having all of nothing! If face detection is only useful 60% of the time, that's still 60% more than not having it at all.
I hope Canon eventually gets around to offering eye detection AF, like other mirrorless cameras offer. That's even better! M5 currently doesn't offer eye detection AF.
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Well, I am glad that you are enjoying it.Well, first of all, just because a particular feature isn't useful or usable "in all possible circumstances" does not negate its usefulness. For example, mirror lock up on a DSLR is not usable or useful "in all possible circumstances", but that doesn't mean it isn't a useful feature.... in all possible circumstances?How well does it work while using the viewfinder? Hahaha
That's the beauty of mirrorless and the M5: you get that great face detection AF while using the viewfinder.
I seriously doubt.
Secondly, an M5 with face detection that can be used most of the time (but not "in all possible circumstances) is still better than having a camera that doesn't have face detection through the viewfinder AT ALL!
The face detection on my A6000 works great! I love it! Who cares if I can't use it "in all possible circumstances"? It's sure a lot better than not having it at all. Having part of something is better than having all of nothing! If face detection is only useful 60% of the time, that's still 60% more than not having it at all.
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