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Martin.au · Jan 4, 2017

What a hard choice.

I've been waiting to see what Panasonic would bring to the party for an eventual replacement of my E-M1.

Two great cameras - E-M1 II and GH5. I really wish I could smoosh them together and have a hybrid.

I want the EVF, joystick, dual UHS II card slots, low light autofocus and customisable focus zones from the GH5.

I want the autofocus power/burst, fast sensor readout rate, live composite, hi res, stacking, pro focus and smaller size and weight from the E-M1 II.

Tough choice!!!

daddyo · Jan 4, 2017

It's not a hard one for me Martin. I'm just not a video guy -- my E-M1 already does better videos than I care about. The E-M1 Mk2 is it for me -- now I just need some good cash flow to get serious about buying one.

rodriguezPhoto · Jan 4, 2017

You could always wait for the next generation.

brianric · Jan 4, 2017

daddyo said:
It's not a hard one for me Martin. I'm just not a video guy -- my E-M1 already does better videos than I care about. The E-M1 Mk2 is it for me -- now I just need some good cash flow to get serious about buying one.

That's the same reason why I went with the E-M1.2. I have no desire for video. In fact, I program the video button to off on my two GX-8 and my E-M1.2.

Moti · Jan 4, 2017

Martin.au said:
What a hard choice.

I've been waiting to see what Panasonic would bring to the party for an eventual replacement of my E-M1.

Two great cameras - E-M1 II and GH5. I really wish I could smoosh them together and have a hybrid.

I want the EVF, joystick, dual UHS II card slots, low light autofocus and customisable focus zones from the GH5.

I want the autofocus power/burst, fast sensor readout rate, live composite, hi res, stacking, pro focus and smaller size and weight from the E-M1 II.

Tough choice!!!

No problems for me either. As I'm not interested in video, the E-M1mkll suites my needs more than the GH5.

Moti

Martin.au · Jan 4, 2017

I'm not much of a video guy either. The GH5 is one great sounding stills camera though. The features I like on it are all photo features.

OzRay · Jan 4, 2017

Just buy one SHG lens and you'll have no doubt as to which camera you will want to own.

avalvo · Jan 4, 2017

I was playing around with Hi Res mode this evening on the E-m1 II. I was blown away. I did some comparison shots at is 400 using the 40-150 pro shot at f4. What did I see. We'll 20mp does reveal more shutter shock. I can see a difference in standard shutter from Anti-social, and finally E shutter. You would not notice the difference if not viewing side by side, but it's there with improved quality as you progress to E shutter.

Hi Res was then on a another level. The 25mp shots were clean and reveal even more detail. Way more than you would think for the 5mp jump. The 50mp file was then slightly better, but no nearly the difference you might expect.

Really need to get out and try some of this on good landscape shots to see of its at all practical. Because, if it is, the capability is simply amazing. Final thought, these Hi Res files can take a ton of sharpening.

Maybe this helps to give some perspective. I'm also not a video guy. In fact, I still hold on to my Nikon D3x because I was the last of the pure cameras, no video. It to produces great files, but weighs a ton.

Anthony

pede59 · Jan 4, 2017

Martin.au said:
What a hard choice.

I've been waiting to see what Panasonic would bring to the party for an eventual replacement of my E-M1.

Two great cameras - E-M1 II and GH5. I really wish I could smoosh them together and have a hybrid.

I want the EVF, joystick, dual UHS II card slots, low light autofocus and customisable focus zones from the GH5.

I want the autofocus power/burst, fast sensor readout rate, live composite, hi res, stacking, pro focus and smaller size and weight from the E-M1 II.

Tough choice!!!

I'd say Great Choices!

that said ... Panasonice definitely went all out with the new EVF and making both card slots UHS II. As far as low light AF i would need to see a comparison. The joy stick if nice to have for me but not a must have. Same focus zones.

I am curious to see tests for CAF and IBIS effectiveness. Since the IBIS in the G80 appears to be very good i am sure that this one will be good in the GH5. In that area Panasonic has caught up.

But really i believe that both cameras are great. I still think that Olympus gives a little more for stills photography. I have to admit though (as Oly owner) that the GH5 is closer to the EM1.2 in stills features than the EM1.2 is in video features. So if you are a hybrid user no question the GH5 has higher value.

glowingshutter · Jan 5, 2017

Martin.au said:
What a hard choice.

I've been waiting to see what Panasonic would bring to the party for an eventual replacement of my E-M1.

Two great cameras - E-M1 II and GH5. I really wish I could smoosh them together and have a hybrid.

I want the EVF, joystick, dual UHS II card slots, low light autofocus and customisable focus zones from the GH5.

I want the autofocus power/burst,

The GH5 has 12fps burst, which is slower than Olympus, but it also has the 6K/18MP mode, which I describe here:

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www.dpreview.com

Martin.au said:
fast sensor readout rate

Sensor readout on the GH5 is really unknown. And it probably won't ever be released in the specs, so you'll have to wait for the tests by reviewers. It very well could be similar to Olympus.

Martin.au said:
, live composite, hi res,

No hi res mode based on specs. Live composite, I don't know. It may be called something else on Panny cameras.

Martin.au said:
stacking,

The GH5 has stacking.

Martin.au said:
pro focus

IMO, the GH5 is going to beat or equal the E-M1 II in all focus modes. This is just a technological edge Panasonic has had for quite a while now.

Martin.au said:
and smaller size and weight from the E-M1 II.

True. The GH5 is a beast. It also has a better/bigger EVF and LCD than the E-M1 II.

Martin.au said:
Tough choice!!!

rashid7 · Jan 5, 2017

As far as pro focus & live composite go, the older/new lumix bodies offer similar, albeit in 4K photo modes limited to jpeg. The Advance in Gh5 will be increase from 8 to 18 MP if I understand correctly. Also, it remains to be seen how much better the AF & CAF are. (Possibly very close to EM1ii?)

What both manufacturers have accomplished are huge jumps in processing power (w/ the potential benefits to AF, rolling shutter artifacts, JPEG processing, EVF, etc) and hardware improvements that allow larger throughput of data coming off sensor. My final question is how well have they mitigated the heat buildup during 4k, and very long shutter times?

keithinmelbourne · Jan 5, 2017

Martin.au said:
What a hard choice.

I've been waiting to see what Panasonic would bring to the party for an eventual replacement of my E-M1.

Two great cameras - E-M1 II and GH5. I really wish I could smoosh them together and have a hybrid.

I want the EVF, joystick, dual UHS II card slots, low light autofocus and customisable focus zones from the GH5.

I want the autofocus power/burst, fast sensor readout rate, live composite, hi res, stacking, pro focus and smaller size and weight from the E-M1 II.

Tough choice!!!

Well. the great thing about M43 is you have a choice.

Denjw · Jan 5, 2017

brianric said:
daddyo said:

It's not a hard one for me Martin. I'm just not a video guy -- my E-M1 already does better videos than I care about. The E-M1 Mk2 is it for me -- now I just need some good cash flow to get serious about buying one.

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That's the same reason why I went with the E-M1.2. I have no desire for video. In fact, I program the video button to off on my two GX-8 and my E-M1.2.

Why not make use of the video button by assigning another function to it? Waste of a button otherwise.

SHood · Jan 5, 2017

glowingshutter said:
Martin.au said:

What a hard choice.

I've been waiting to see what Panasonic would bring to the party for an eventual replacement of my E-M1.

Two great cameras - E-M1 II and GH5. I really wish I could smoosh them together and have a hybrid.

I want the EVF, joystick, dual UHS II card slots, low light autofocus and customisable focus zones from the GH5.

I want the autofocus power/burst,

Click to expand...

The GH5 has 12fps burst, which is slower than Olympus, but it also has the 6K/18MP mode, which I describe here:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58907335

glowingshutter said:

fast sensor readout rate

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Sensor readout on the GH5 is really unknown. And it probably won't ever be released in the specs, so you'll have to wait for the tests by reviewers. It very well could be similar to Olympus.

glowingshutter said:

, live composite, hi res,

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No hi res mode based on specs. Live composite, I don't know. It may be called something else on Panny cameras.

glowingshutter said:

stacking,

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The GH5 has stacking.

glowingshutter said:

pro focus

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IMO, the GH5 is going to beat or equal the E-M1 II in all focus modes. This is just a technological edge Panasonic has had for quite a while now.

glowingshutter said:

and smaller size and weight from the E-M1 II.

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True. The GH5 is a beast. It also has a better/bigger EVF and LCD than the E-M1 II.

glowingshutter said:

Tough choice!!!

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Sensor readout for the GH5 is 15ms.

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Sensor readout for the E-M1 was measured at 10ms.

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In this Olympus OM-D E M1 Mark II review, I test the very promising device from this newcomer manufacturer of video-capable stills cameras.

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I think both cameras have the processing power for C-AF to match anyone. The real difference will be the software implementation and firmware updates. In the past Olympus has focused their firmware updates more on the photo side where Panasonic has focused their firmware updates on video. This is where Olympus will have the edge over the next couple of years as software tuning will make the biggest difference with AF.

SHood · Jan 5, 2017

Martin.au said:
What a hard choice.

I've been waiting to see what Panasonic would bring to the party for an eventual replacement of my E-M1.

Two great cameras - E-M1 II and GH5. I really wish I could smoosh them together and have a hybrid.

I want the EVF, joystick, dual UHS II card slots, low light autofocus and customisable focus zones from the GH5.

I want the autofocus power/burst, fast sensor readout rate, live composite, hi res, stacking, pro focus and smaller size and weight from the E-M1 II.

Tough choice!!!

Keep in mind that we don't know the GH5 EVF refresh rate yet. And while the Joystick sounds interesting there have been complaints about the X-T2 joystick. I do wish the E-M1 had the dual UHSII slots.

glowingshutter · Jan 5, 2017

SHood said:
glowingshutter said:

Martin.au said:

What a hard choice.

I've been waiting to see what Panasonic would bring to the party for an eventual replacement of my E-M1.

Two great cameras - E-M1 II and GH5. I really wish I could smoosh them together and have a hybrid.

I want the EVF, joystick, dual UHS II card slots, low light autofocus and customisable focus zones from the GH5.

I want the autofocus power/burst,

Click to expand...

The GH5 has 12fps burst, which is slower than Olympus, but it also has the 6K/18MP mode, which I describe here:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58907335

SHood said:

fast sensor readout rate

Click to expand...

Sensor readout on the GH5 is really unknown. And it probably won't ever be released in the specs, so you'll have to wait for the tests by reviewers. It very well could be similar to Olympus.

SHood said:

, live composite, hi res,

Click to expand...

No hi res mode based on specs. Live composite, I don't know. It may be called something else on Panny cameras.

SHood said:

stacking,

Click to expand...

The GH5 has stacking.

SHood said:

pro focus

Click to expand...

IMO, the GH5 is going to beat or equal the E-M1 II in all focus modes. This is just a technological edge Panasonic has had for quite a while now.

SHood said:

and smaller size and weight from the E-M1 II.

Click to expand...

True. The GH5 is a beast. It also has a better/bigger EVF and LCD than the E-M1 II.

SHood said:

Tough choice!!!

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

Sensor readout for the GH5 is 15ms.

http://www.newsshooter.com/2017/01/...4k-recording-at-400-mbps-and-hd-up-to-180fps/

Sensor readout for the E-M1 was measured at 10ms.

https://www.cinema5d.com/olympus-om...w-real-world-video-samples-first-impressions/

That just means they're both good. But, obviously, you can't directly compare these two measurements for 3 reasons:

1. The smaller the sensor area used for the video or the fewer the pixels used for the video, the faster the readout.

2. Different people measuring it means results likely won't correlate exactly.

3. Readout speed also depends on the bit depth being used. 8 bit can be read out faster than 10 bit, which is faster than 12 bit.

The most accurate measurement will likely be in stills mode and with proof that both use the same bit depth.

However, it wouldn't surprise me if these two sensors have the same readout speed at identical bit depths, given that they're both 20MP sensors of the same generation. But this is all speculation. If they were made by different manufacturers, there could be some difference.

SHood said:
I think both cameras have the processing power for C-AF to match anyone. The real difference will be the software implementation and firmware updates. In the past Olympus has focused their firmware updates more on the photo side where Panasonic has focused their firmware updates on video. This is where Olympus will have the edge over the next couple of years as software tuning will make the biggest difference with AF.

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brianric · Jan 5, 2017

Denjw said:
brianric said:

daddyo said:

It's not a hard one for me Martin. I'm just not a video guy -- my E-M1 already does better videos than I care about. The E-M1 Mk2 is it for me -- now I just need some good cash flow to get serious about buying one.

Click to expand...

That's the same reason why I went with the E-M1.2. I have no desire for video. In fact, I program the video button to off on my two GX-8 and my E-M1.2.

Click to expand...

Why not make use of the video button by assigning another function to it? Waste of a button otherwise.

I just got the camera. This is the first time with Olympus interface. Right now I have health issues to deal with. In good time the video button it will be reprogrammed.

Skeeterbytes · Jan 5, 2017

I think this guy can help. Wear earplugs.

Naming the offspring could be a challenge. O-MDGHEM51 mk 1?

Cheers,

Rick

fft2000 · Jan 5, 2017

avalvo said:
Hi Res was then on a another level. The 25mp shots were clean and reveal even more detail. Way more than you would think for the 5mp jump. The 50mp file was then slightly better, but no nearly the difference you might expect.
Really need to get out and try some of this on good landscape shots to see of its at all practical.

Yes, please! It gets talked up quite a bit but still no one showed the potential. There are definitely some longer exposures needed, some dramatic sunset with grass in the foreground, some 4sec. exposures of flowing water. The "real stuff"

Not just some stiff houses at high noon...

I am still undecided, torn between G81 and Fuji X-T1 (*). The X-T1 is not really better, but I would have a foot in the Fuji system + possibility to upgrade to X-T2 (T3?) later. I am mostly shooting landscape and plants, some macros, but I definitely need to shoot animals, too. Having to stick with those currently available 20MP-mFT-sensors is bothering me, but if High-Res really works for most of the "real stuff" I most likely would take the G81... (which doesn't have High-Res, I know... but I could get it with a later upgrade).

(*) The X-T1 currently is a good deal here, even new. 1500€ + 18-55mm + 300€ cashback = 1200€. G81+12-60 is 1000€. And the 18-55 seems to be the better lens, I have the feeling I need to upgrade the pana-lens later which would make the G81 more expensive in the end.

rashid7 · Jan 5, 2017

I am also tempted by Hi Res, although I never used it on my EM5ii. -If it really works w/ landscapes,,, &night scapes.

Other alternatives for hi resolution would be

1) the too expensive A7rii (& len$es!)

OR ...

2) For static low-ISO scapes = the Sigma SD Quattro /H. & affordable/superb Sigma 18-35f1.8Art

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