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Camera Store TV just uploaded a video comparison of the latest cameras to find out which ones has the best JPEGs. There is a catch because Camera Store TV shot the cameras in factory settings and AWB. So there no JPEG tweakings.

Enjoy and keep it civil.

 
Normally a big fan of TCSTV but I thought this was poor. The whole point of many camera JPG engines is the tweaking that can be done. There's no way the JPG output of my new GX80 is better than my Fujifilm X-T1.
 
C Sean said:
Camera Store TV just uploaded a video comparison of the latest cameras to find out which ones has the best JPEGs. There is a catch because Camera Store TV shot the cameras in factory settings and AWB. So there no JPEG tweakings.

Enjoy and keep it civil.

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very interesting to see the results
 
I'm not so convinced that the average user would spend time individually 'tweaking' in-camera settings for all frames shot in Jpeg. They would tend to accept default settings, perhaps changing exposure compensation for shots that require such adjustments on a regular basis?

It seems unrealistic to me to adjust for each photo then chimp in less than ideal lighting conditions to double-check each photo.

Viewers of this Video also need to keep in mind that the images compared are seen through the lens of yet another camera & evaluated on a host of different computer monitor setups!

PS - perhaps the most important lesson to learned is to shoot in RAW ?
 
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Keit ll said:
I'm not so convinced that the average user would spend time individually 'tweaking' in-camera settings for all frames shot in Jpeg. They would tend to accept default settings, perhaps changing exposure compensation for shots that require such adjustments on a regular basis?

It seems unrealistic to me to adjust for each photo then chimp in less than ideal lighting conditions to double-check each photo.

Viewers of this Video also need to keep in mind that the images compared are seen through the lens of yet another camera & evaluated on a host of different computer monitor setups!

PS - perhaps the most important lesson to learned is to shoot in RAW ?
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the video was about prints rather than for us on monitors to make an assessment through a video, if you try to assess through the video you are actually assessing the equipment that made the video
 
Anyone dares to share the results? Cannot watch the video somehow :(
 
Nemo0815 said:
Anyone dares to share the results? Cannot watch the video somehow :(
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They are all over the place, and I'm pretty sure not statistically significant (which means the results are in fact meaningless and misleading) . But anyway.

Baby portrait. Nikon and Canon the best, Panasonic, Olympus and iPhone the worst.

Landscape - exactly the oposite - iPhone the best, followed by Panasonici in Olympus. Sony the worst.

Studio - again the opposite - Sony is the best, followed by Nikon and Canon. iPhone the worst.
 
C Sean said:
Camera Store TV just uploaded a video comparison of the latest cameras to find out which ones has the best JPEGs. There is a catch because Camera Store TV shot the cameras in factory settings and AWB. So there no JPEG tweakings.

Enjoy and keep it civil.

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Tremendous job,thanks CSTV!

Good thinking,just a little bit fine tuning for portrait,landscape etc. !

Store than in c1.c.2 etc. and you do not need RAW any more.
 
Wu Jiaqiu said:
Keit ll said:
I'm not so convinced that the average user would spend time individually 'tweaking' in-camera settings for all frames shot in Jpeg. They would tend to accept default settings, perhaps changing exposure compensation for shots that require such adjustments on a regular basis?

It seems unrealistic to me to adjust for each photo then chimp in less than ideal lighting conditions to double-check each photo.

Viewers of this Video also need to keep in mind that the images compared are seen through the lens of yet another camera & evaluated on a host of different computer monitor setups!

PS - perhaps the most important lesson to learned is to shoot in RAW ?
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the video was about prints rather than for us on monitors to make an assessment through a video, if you try to assess through the video you are actually assessing the equipment that made the video
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Yes, I'm aware of that. That is why I said "keep in mind" etc...
 
C Sean said:
Camera Store TV just uploaded a video comparison of the latest cameras to find out which ones has the best JPEGs. There is a catch because Camera Store TV shot the cameras in factory settings and AWB. So there no JPEG tweakings.

Enjoy and keep it civil.

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I guess Pentax has never caught up with the rest when it comes to jpeg. That's too bad. Good to know Panasonic has though, and in this case, surpassed (at least in this test) Oly. Still, very subjective. And considering most people view photos on video as opposed to prints, there really is another big layer of subjective judging.

Yet, still, good to hear about Panasonic.
 
You be the judge really

No one can tell you your taste of JPG is worse or better than others

Based on my own experience with JPG

I rank Olympus, then Panasonic, then Nikon, then Canon, then Sony

Oly and Panny are very close, Oly on the warmer and punchier side, Panny on the cool and more realistic hues

Nikon portraits are a bit on the reddish side (not too good IMHO)

Canon is like Panny, realistic but rather flat

Sony is all over, not consistent nor accurate colors

Don't have much experience with Fuji but they seem to be on the greenish side if I recall correctly

Again, it's only 1 perspective but it's mine and I stand by it

Cheers,
 
Wu Jiaqiu said:
Nemo0815 said:
Anyone dares to share the results? Cannot watch the video somehow :(
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Nikon was first with Canon a close 2nd, then it was Panansonic then fuji, then Olympus then Sony and Pentax and Iphone ranked last in a tie
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The randoms ranked it that way.

The pro printer they interviewed ranked them: Nikon, Canon, Olympus and then the rest for him. And I agree with him because Oly's portrait color was VERY close to Canon. Panny was way too cold in the portrait.
 
C Sean said:
Camera Store TV just uploaded a video comparison of the latest cameras to find out which ones has the best JPEGs. There is a catch because Camera Store TV shot the cameras in factory settings and AWB. So there no JPEG tweakings.

Enjoy and keep it civil.

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Thanks for sharing.

Panasonic has made a long way with their JPEGs. It's nice to see that they are judged very good now. I rather like Panny jpegs since the GH3. Being ahead of Olympus and Fuji is rather a achievement.

But yes, all is subjective and a matter of taste.
 
Bhima78 said:
Wu Jiaqiu said:
Nemo0815 said:
Anyone dares to share the results? Cannot watch the video somehow :(
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Nikon was first with Canon a close 2nd, then it was Panansonic then fuji, then Olympus then Sony and Pentax and Iphone ranked last in a tie
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The randoms ranked it that way.

The pro printer they interviewed ranked them: Nikon, Canon, Olympus and then the rest for him. And I agree with him because Oly's portrait color was VERY close to Canon. Panny was way too cold in the portrait.
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it was totally subjective, it really only matters if you shoot jpg with no setting changes and print those images to which one you/they liked best with this test.......but it was rather interesting nevertheless
 
but they did not use a fuji xt-1 they used fuji xt-2 which they say is not as good in jpeg terms as the 16mp sensor?
 
Grumpyrocker said:
Normally a big fan of TCSTV but I thought this was poor. The whole point of many camera JPG engines is the tweaking that can be done. There's no way the JPG output of my new GX80 is better than my Fujifilm X-T1.
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What JPEG settings are you using for your X-T1?
 
dv312 said:
You be the judge really

No one can tell you your taste of JPG is worse or better than others

Based on my own experience with JPG

I rank Olympus, then Panasonic, then Nikon, then Canon, then Sony

Oly and Panny are very close, Oly on the warmer and punchier side, Panny on the cool and more realistic hues

Nikon portraits are a bit on the reddish side (not too good IMHO)

Canon is like Panny, realistic but rather flat

Sony is all over, not consistent nor accurate colors

Don't have much experience with Fuji but they seem to be on the greenish side if I recall correctly

Again, it's only 1 perspective but it's mine and I stand by it

Cheers,
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Mirrors what I have experienced with JPEGs, at least as far as Canon (worst), and Panasonic (clinical) and Olympus (my fav.). Pretty subjective for sure and I do adjust my settings for JPEGs as any serious JPEG shooter will do.
 
Very subjective. Comparison tests like these are always subject to respondent bias, which may work for a single instance but not hold over time.

A classic example in market testing was the old Pepsi vs Coke test tests. Pepsi easily won the comparison tests because it was sweeter and thus, in head to head matchups, people would say they preferred it. However, sales results proved they stuck with Coke.

The same thing happens if you test soups. The saltier soup almost always will win in a comparison where the respondents taste spoonfuls. This does not necessarily translate into sales or long term satisfaction.

This jpeg or that one? When you show them to me side by side, I like the warmer one.
 
Bhima78 said:
Wu Jiaqiu said:
Nemo0815 said:
Anyone dares to share the results? Cannot watch the video somehow :(
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Nikon was first with Canon a close 2nd, then it was Panansonic then fuji, then Olympus then Sony and Pentax and Iphone ranked last in a tie
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The randoms ranked it that way.

The pro printer they interviewed ranked them: Nikon, Canon, Olympus and then the rest for him. And I agree with him because Oly's portrait color was VERY close to Canon. Panny was way too cold in the portrait.
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I would go with the pro too
 
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