Reading mode: Light Dark

Canon Full Frame Mirrorless & Compact - Will Nikon Answer?

Go to last post
dgc4rter

dgc4rter

Leading Member
Messages
653
Reaction score
326
Location
Staffordshire, UK
Eventually Nikon will have a model out. I'm pretty sure it will be very advanced. They have already proven they have the capability to produce a decent mirrorless camera. When they feel the time is right for them it will happen.
 
That rumor states that Canon will use EF lenses on their mirrorless cameras, unless those are adapted lenses, Canon is giving up any space savings for mirrorless.

Its essentially a mirrored camera with the Mirror locked up.
 
dgc4rter said:
Looks like Canon may be coming out with some serious stuff soon.

http://thenewcamera.com/canon-fullframe-mirrorless-to-use-ef-lenses/

Now, if they do, will Nikon follow or will they fall even further behind in this sector?

--
Dave Carter
http://www.davecarterphotography.com
Click to expand...
Smaller? - Maybe the body, not the lenses

Better for action/AF? - Probably not

Better viewfinder? - I would take an optical FF viewfinder over any EVF.

Better photos/IQ? - Of course not.

So the point is...?
 
tqlla said:
Its essentially a mirrored camera with the Mirror locked up.
Click to expand...
That wouldn't bother me! Actually, that description sounds like the perfect imaging solution. Think for a moment. It uses your favorite lenses without adapters, has a familiar size and weight, It can utilize all of the myriad advantages of off the sensor focus acquisition, there's no need for focus fine tuning, plus there's reduced vibration. what more could one want in a Nikon "D" mirrorless solution?.........Jeff Barlowe
 
Barlowephoto said:
Barlowephoto said:
Its essentially a mirrored camera with the Mirror locked up.
Click to expand...
That wouldn't bother me! Actually, that description sounds like the perfect imaging solution. Think for a moment. It uses your favorite lenses without adapters, has a familiar size and weight, It can utilize all of the myriad advantages of off the sensor focus acquisition, there's no need for focus fine tuning, plus there's reduced vibration. what more could one want in a Nikon "D" mirrorless solution?.........Jeff Barlowe
Click to expand...
Does your camera have Mirror lock up? You can just use that and one of those LCD hoods.

I dont know if its worth dropping the mirror just for the advantages you listed. Remember the trade off on Mirrorless vs Mirrored is the focus acquisition in low light, tracking AF and generally slower AF.
 
Nikon could never compete with Sony in the mirrorless market, especially since Sony is the sensor provider for Nikon. Sony doesn't sell FF BSI sensors to anyone.

The lifecycle for mirrorless cameras is similar to consumer electronics. Nikon would not (or maybe does not have) the resources for 6 month product cycles. They also do not want to go head to head with Sony and Fuji. Canon's mirrorless camera will also be a niche product in a crowded market. There is no way they can keep up with Sony and Fuji, but Canon's mirrorless will have the sole advantage of mounting EF lenses. And thats their niche.
 
Last edited:
No doubt the mirrorless platform has got much to offer; faster frame rate is the one feature that counts the most in my mind. The addition of in-built ND filters; in body VR system and full functional articulated touch screen etc..etc.. who wouldn't buy a mirrorless?

Jury is still out on the battle between EVF Vs OVF. To me, current EVF can't win not because of it's quality of display; but merely it is a severe drain to the body power system.

If Nikon is to dish out a new series of mirrorless; it has to be a full frame with rangefinder style's ergonomics to take on the the likes of Sony's A7s', Canon M5 and the Fuji X's. Why? Hitting all 3 birds with one stone.

But comes a second problem; what lens mount to use? Nikon will be silly to adopt the F-mount to the new venture. Why? Coz this will also pose as a market threat to it's existing DSLR range. But A new lens mount will be a deterrent to the growth of the new mirrorless; current enthusiast will have to invest into a completely new set of lenses.

Sure; many have jumped ship; selling all they have and hopped on to the Fuji X. But the lack of competition with the Fujinon mount system kept many others at bay.
 
Crazie Nikonian said:
No doubt the mirrorless platform has got much to offer; faster frame rate is the one feature that counts the most in my mind. The addition of in-built ND filters; in body VR system and full functional articulated touch screen etc..etc.. who wouldn't buy a mirrorless?
Click to expand...
I would not.

Crazie Nikonian said:
Jury is still out on the battle between EVF Vs OVF. To me, current EVF can't win not because of it's quality of display; but merely it is a severe drain to the body power system.

If Nikon is to dish out a new series of mirrorless; it has to be a full frame with rangefinder style's ergonomics to take on the the likes of Sony's A7s', Canon M5 and the Fuji X's. Why? Hitting all 3 birds with one stone.

But comes a second problem; what lens mount to use? Nikon will be silly to adopt the F-mount to the new venture. Why? Coz this will also pose as a market threat to it's existing DSLR range. But A new lens mount will be a deterrent to the growth of the new mirrorless; current enthusiast will have to invest into a completely new set of lenses.

Sure; many have jumped ship; selling all they have and hopped on to the Fuji X. But the lack of competition with the Fujinon mount system kept many others at bay.
Click to expand...
 
Crazie Nikonian said:
No doubt the mirrorless platform has got much to offer; faster frame rate is the one feature that counts the most in my mind. The addition of in-built ND filters; in body VR system and full functional articulated touch screen etc..etc.. who wouldn't buy a mirrorless?

Jury is still out on the battle between EVF Vs OVF. To me, current EVF can't win not because of it's quality of display; but merely it is a severe drain to the body power system.

If Nikon is to dish out a new series of mirrorless; it has to be a full frame with rangefinder style's ergonomics to take on the the likes of Sony's A7s', Canon M5 and the Fuji X's. Why? Hitting all 3 birds with one stone.

But comes a second problem; what lens mount to use? Nikon will be silly to adopt the F-mount to the new venture. Why? Coz this will also pose as a market threat to it's existing DSLR range. But A new lens mount will be a deterrent to the growth of the new mirrorless; current enthusiast will have to invest into a completely new set of lenses.

Sure; many have jumped ship; selling all they have and hopped on to the Fuji X. But the lack of competition with the Fujinon mount system kept many others at bay.
Click to expand...
An F mount mirrorless would not have enough room for IBIS because of the long focus plane distance added years ago to allow for a mirror box. Mirrorless cameras also have an inherent time and focus delay problem so they are not the best choice for photographing fast moving objects despite their high number of fps.

If Nikon did make a mirrorless it would still be a niche product to use F mount lenses. They would never be able to keep up with Fuji and Sony and I don't believe Nikon wants to go there.
 
Last edited:
L Copps said:
An F mount mirrorless would not have enough room for IBIS because of the long focus plane distance added years ago to allow for a mirror box. Mirrorless cameras also have an inherent time and focus delay problem so they are not the best choice for photographing fast moving objects despite their high number of fps.

If Nikon did make a mirrorless it would still be a niche product to use F mount lenses. They would never be able to keep up with Fuji and Sony and I don't believe Nikon wants to go there.
Click to expand...
But surely IBIS can't be the only option for a mirrorless body; right?

Unless there is an inherent issue for Nikon's 24M-pixel sensor (as per D610/D750) to take on the mirrorless venture; I can't see why Nikon can't have a 24M pixel mirroless line.

Let's for argument sake that they will use the body of a D750 for the mirrorless; F mount and articulated screen plus the ergonomics of a DSLR; wouldn't that be sweet? And you don't have to have a fire sell for those Nikon glasses to get on board. :)

I'm all for a F mount mirrorless if anything; I'm happy with my D610's abilities in both IQ and DR in hi ISO settings..... but it's other departments like liveview/video/non-touch screen is still lurking in the dark age.
 
The N1, used VR in lens
 
It is primarily with shooting video where the real time autofocus performance of a mirrorless camera provides significant advantages over a DSLR. A high resolution electronic view finder is also a major benefit when shooting video and this is also provided with the high end mirrorless cameras.

But Nikon is at least two years behind Canon in producing cameras with top video performance and it is even worse considering that 90% of the third party video applications and hardware is Canon only.

Canon's FF mirrorless will be introduced to counter Sony. Nikon is not even in the race when it comes to video. I know cameras like the D810 can do a great job with video but only with a lot of attachments and external sound and video recorders and special brackets that are not needed with many mirrorless cameras.

Cameras like the Olympus E-M1 and E-M5 Mk II with in camera 5-axis optical stabilization also make stable video much easier to do and make it easy to work off a tripod. Shooting video with these two cameras, which I own, is infinitely easier than with my D810 and D750 cameras.

There is also the issue of available cine lenses for shooting video. Standard lenses have too short a focus pull which compounds problems with trying to manually focus while shooting. In terms of digital cine lenses there are 25 available from Canon and not a single one available from Nikon.

Sony and Canon are heavily invested in video and have a deep and broad base from which to provide solutions for their still cameras, while Nikon does not.
 
calson said:
It is primarily with shooting video where the real time autofocus performance of a mirrorless camera provides significant advantages over a DSLR. A high resolution electronic view finder is also a major benefit when shooting video and this is also provided with the high end mirrorless cameras.

But Nikon is at least two years behind Canon in producing cameras with top video performance and it is even worse considering that 90% of the third party video applications and hardware is Canon only.

Canon's FF mirrorless will be introduced to counter Sony. Nikon is not even in the race when it comes to video. I know cameras like the D810 can do a great job with video but only with a lot of attachments and external sound and video recorders and special brackets that are not needed with many mirrorless cameras.

Cameras like the Olympus E-M1 and E-M5 Mk II with in camera 5-axis optical stabilization also make stable video much easier to do and make it easy to work off a tripod. Shooting video with these two cameras, which I own, is infinitely easier than with my D810 and D750 cameras.

There is also the issue of available cine lenses for shooting video. Standard lenses have too short a focus pull which compounds problems with trying to manually focus while shooting. In terms of digital cine lenses there are 25 available from Canon and not a single one available from Nikon.

Sony and Canon are heavily invested in video and have a deep and broad base from which to provide solutions for their still cameras, while Nikon does not.
Click to expand...
But would it benefit Nikon to do that? They've never been in the video industry in general while Canon and Sony have a long history with it. Could Nikon even gain a small piece of that market? I guess the real question is whether or not it's necessary to have good video to continue to be a big player in this industry.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Keyboard shortcuts

f
Forum
m
My threads
Mobile site
About
Editorial content
Cameras & Lenses
Community
All content, design, and layout are Copyright © 1998–2025 Digital Photography Review All Rights Reserved.
Reproduction in whole or part in any form or medium without specific written permission is prohibited.
When you use DPReview links to buy products, the site may earn a commission.
©GPS Media - Guides, Products, Services.
Back
Top